The physical descendants of the ancient nation of Israel.

[jgr]

All a person has to do is look at a map of modern day Israel, and compare it to a map of divided Israel
the territories of the northern and southern kingdoms to know that part of Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled.

The map of Abraham's genome is the map of planet earth.

 

[Douggg]

The map of Abraham's genome is the map of planet earth.

Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Not Abraham's.

The map of modern day Israel covers the territories of the northern and southern kingdoms, fulfilling part of Ezekiel 37.

 

[Douggg]

Prophesies like Ezekiel 37, are not fulfilled in part.

Why not? We have maps of the northern and southern kingdoms, and maps of modern day Israel.

 

[jgr]

Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Not Abraham's.

The map of modern day Israel covers the territories of the northern and southern kingdoms, fulfilling part of Ezekiel 37.

There would have been no Jacob without Abraham.

 

[Douggg]

There would have been no Jacob without Abraham.

The point is that Abraham is not Israel. You are making claims based on Abraham, not Israel.

 

[jgr]

The point is that Abraham is not Israel. You are making claims based on Abraham, not Israel.

There would have been no Israel without Abraham.

 

[sovereigngrace]

There would have been no Jacob without Abraham.

Exactly!

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Here, you flatly contradicted yourself.For an INTERPRETATION of a scripture is NOT what it EXPLICITLY says.

This is rich coming from the person who thinks that all of his INTERPRETATIONS are FACTS that are supposedly EXPLICITLY stated.

 

[Douggg]

There would have been no Israel without Abraham.

Not exactly correct. There would have been no "Jacob" if not for Abraham. To be correct, there would have been no Israel if not for Jacob.

And besides, you are making a claim of being Israel with no connection to Jacob. You are claiming a connection to Abraham's being right with God by his faith in God.

 

[Biblewriter]

This is rich coming from the person who thinks that all of his INTERPRETATIONS are FACTS that are supposedly EXPLICITLY stated.

I do not think that, I know it as an irrefutable fact.

 

[jgr]

Not exactly correct. There would have been no "Jacob" if not for Abraham. To be correct, there would have been no Israel if not for Jacob.

And besides, you are making a claim of being Israel with no connection to Jacob. You are claiming a connection to Abraham's being right with God by his faith in God.

Israel was the same physical individual as Jacob.

That physical individual would not have existed without Abraham.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I do not think that, I know it as an irrefutable fact.

The scriptures themselves are irrefutable facts, but not your understanding of them. It's quite arrogant of you to equate your interpretations of the scriptures with the scriptures themselves.

 

[Douggg]

Israel was the same physical individual as Jacob.

That physical individual would not have existed without Abraham.

You are not connecting to Jacob, Israel, though in your claims. You are connecting to Abraham.

To say that you are Israel because you are connecting to the faith Abraham had is irrational.

 

[jgr]

You are not connecting to Jacob, Israel, though in your claims. You are connecting to Abraham.

To say that you are Israel because you are connecting to the faith Abraham had is irrational.

To claim that Jacob/Israel were not connected to Abraham is the epitome of irrationality.

 

[Biblewriter]

To claim that Jacob/Israel were not connected to Abraham is the epitome of irrationality.

That was not is point. Esau was also a grandson of Abraham. But He was not an Israelite. So being a child of Abraham (by faith) does NOT make you a mythical "spiritual Israelite."

 

[jgr]

That was not is point. Esau was also a grandson of Abraham. But He was not an Israelite. So being a child of Abraham (by faith) does NOT make you a mythical "spiritual Israelite."

The current conversation is about Abraham's genome.

Try to familiarize yourself before commenting.

 

[keras]

That was not is point. Esau was also a grandson of Abraham. But He was not an Israelite. So being a child of Abraham (by faith) does NOT make you a mythical "spiritual Israelite."

But it does!
We Christians are the Overcomers for God, the literal meaning of the Hebrew word; Israelite.

In order to understand end time events, it is necessary to be clear about the provable fact of the continued separation of the House of Judah (the Jews) from the House of Israel (the 10 Northern tribes). While, at present, about half of the world’s Jews live in the State of Israel, they do not claim descent from tribes other than Judah, Benjamin and Levi.

It is God’s plan that the ten Northern tribes of Israel and the Jews, be dispersed around the world and that Israel lose its identity; Ezekiel 36. It is them who have, in the main, become Christian.

The restoration and redemption of the Lord’s people, is a theme well covered by almost all the prophets. His people descendants of all the 12 tribes and every Christian who loves the Lord and follows His ways, Jew or Gentile.

Prophecy is quite clear about the eventual gathering of all the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, into the Land promised to their forefathers. When this will happen is the question to consider. Most church teaching says this will occur at the time of Jesus’ return, when He gathers His chosen from the four corners of the earth’. Matthew 24:31. As Israelites are not specified, these people will be from every race nation and language – those who have kept their faith in God and have not taken the mark of the beast.


Careful study of Scripture makes it clear that the Christian Israelites [Amos 9:8b-12] will resettle all of the Land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The current inhabitants of all the holy Land face judgement in this next prophesied event – the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 2:12-22, Ezekiel 21:6-7, Hosea 3:3-6 & 12-15, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Revelation 6:12-17

His people, the faithful Christian Israelites, from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be saved and protected – Hosea 11:8-9. They will be the Light to the nations and will prepare for the coming Kingdom of Jesus.


Ezekiel 20:36-44 ...’I will state My case with you, as in the days of Egypt’. This second Exodus of the Israelites will take place in a similar way as the first. Then both verses 42 and 44 say: ‘You will know that I am the Lord ‘. Therefore all this takes place before the return of Jesus, as then all the world will know and see His glory and presence.

We, as Christians, must lead lives that will be judged worthy, so when this gathering of His people happens – in the near future, we may be accepted to live in the Land. Isaiah 35:1-10

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I heard this topic is covered under the title if Israelogy. Does anyone know a book that presents different views on this topic?

 

[keras]

I heard this topic is covered under the title if Israelogy. Does anyone know a book that presents different views on this topic?

There are two views;
1/ That the current peoples who call themselves Israel and claim to be Jewish are all of Israel.
2/ That the Christian peoples are the Israelites of God and ethnicity is of no value or consequence.

Those who promote 1/, are believers of Two peoples and Two Promises of God. They do it mainly because of the 'rapture to heaven' theory, where they go to live in heaven while ethnic Israel goes thru Tribulation.
This belief is diametrically opposed to many scriptures.

2/ Is the correct and scripturally based belief. There is only ONE people of God: John 17:20-23, Ephesians 2:11-18 & 3:4-6, Titus 2:11-14
The faithful Christians ARE the Israelites of God, the Overcomers for Him: Galatians 6:14-16 and in each of the seven Church's of Revelation.

But typically, I post scriptures as in #257 and it is just ignored.
It seems that for some, it is impossible to overcome the teachings they have believed. Could be hard for them when what they imagined doesn't happen,

 

[Biblewriter]

But it does!
We Christians are the Overcomers for God, the literal meaning of the Hebrew word; Israelite.

In order to understand end time events, it is necessary to be clear about the provable fact of the continued separation of the House of Judah (the Jews) from the House of Israel (the 10 Northern tribes). While, at present, about half of the world’s Jews live in the State of Israel, they do not claim descent from tribes other than Judah, Benjamin and Levi.

It is God’s plan that the ten Northern tribes of Israel and the Jews, be dispersed around the world and that Israel lose its identity; Ezekiel 36. It is them who have, in the main, become Christian.

The restoration and redemption of the Lord’s people, is a theme well covered by almost all the prophets. His people descendants of all the 12 tribes and every Christian who loves the Lord and follows His ways, Jew or Gentile.

Prophecy is quite clear about the eventual gathering of all the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, into the Land promised to their forefathers. When this will happen is the question to consider. Most church teaching says this will occur at the time of Jesus’ return, when He gathers His chosen from the four corners of the earth’. Matthew 24:31. As Israelites are not specified, these people will be from every race nation and language – those who have kept their faith in God and have not taken the mark of the beast.


Careful study of Scripture makes it clear that the Christian Israelites [Amos 9:8b-12] will resettle all of the Land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The current inhabitants of all the holy Land face judgement in this next prophesied event – the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 2:12-22, Ezekiel 21:6-7, Hosea 3:3-6 & 12-15, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Revelation 6:12-17

His people, the faithful Christian Israelites, from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be saved and protected – Hosea 11:8-9. They will be the Light to the nations and will prepare for the coming Kingdom of Jesus.


Ezekiel 20:36-44 ...’I will state My case with you, as in the days of Egypt’. This second Exodus of the Israelites will take place in a similar way as the first. Then both verses 42 and 44 say: ‘You will know that I am the Lord ‘. Therefore all this takes place before the return of Jesus, as then all the world will know and see His glory and presence.

We, as Christians, must lead lives that will be judged worthy, so when this gathering of His people happens – in the near future, we may be accepted to live in the Land. Isaiah 35:1-10

The term "spiritual Israelite" does not occur in the entire Bible for a reason. That is a concept that is simply not taught in scripture.