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@Jesus is YHWH ; @Davy and @ChetSinger we are all brothers in Christ. Let's by Gods' grace show each other some respect and Christian love and patience. Even if we might disagree on some things we can still be loving and friendly in our discussions here.

Perhaps there is some middle ground here in your discussions on what type of body we might have after the resurrection as shown in the scriptures below. I believe the scriptures teach as @ChetSinger pointed out that Jesus had a physical body at His resurrection while on the earth. According John in the book of Revelation 1:12-18 in the Heavenly Sanctuary Jesus had a heavenly immortal body just like we will after the first resurrection as shown in 1 Corinthians 15:50-57. The description of Jesus in Heaven is obviously different to what Jesus looked like on earth with a physical mortal body right?

Look at what the scriptures say below....

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[13], But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14], For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15], For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18], Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The above scriptures connects to what Paul also says here in Corinthians...

1 Corinthians 15:50-57
[50], Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[51], Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52], In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53], For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54], So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[55], O death, where is thy sting? O grave,6 where is thy victory?
[56], The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[57], But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So in order to have immortality we will need a new body that is suited for immortality and no longer have a mortal body that dies.

Hope this is helpful.

1 Cor 15:37
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

KJV

The flesh body that dies is NOT the body that shall be. Apostle Paul actually makes this easy at the very start. One simply needs to listen to what he said, and not what men's traditions say.


1 Cor 15:42-54
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

Ever wonder what that "it" is?? What is it Paul is saying is sown but is then raised?


44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

What's that "it" that is sown, and then raised? He then reveals at present, meaning right now how God created us, we each have both a "natural body" (flesh) AND a "spiritual body". Paul also revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 when he said if our earthly house were dissolved, we have a body eternal in the heavens, not made with hands, which points to this "spiritual body" we also have today. It is simply inside our flesh, and is what Eccl.12:5-7 was pointing to about our "spirit" that goes back to God at flesh death. Our soul is attached to it.


45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


That "quickening spirit" idea Paul is especially pointing to Lord Jesus' resurrection. Lord Jesus represents the "last Adam" as the final state for God's Eternity. And in John 3 our Lord Jesus was very specific that flesh is separate from spirit. So yes Jesus' flesh body was raised, but it was also "made a quickening spirit". It is no longer a flesh type body like we have.



46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Paul is pointing to Christ Jesus again as the "last Adam was made a quickening spirit".


48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Just to make sure we understand that he was not pointing to a fleshy resurrection, Paul repeats his idea about the "spiritual body" being a body of the heavenly dimension. Just as we have borne these flesh body images on this earth, we shall also one day bear the image of the heavenly, which is that kind of body like the angels have in the heavenly dimension (which can also appear and live on earth, by the way).


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

And just to make sure, Paul cements this idea between a flesh body and a heavenly body, or "spiritual body" type. Flesh and blood cannot... enter in that Heavenly dimension. Why? Because this earthly dimension and the heavenly dimension are 2 'separate' operations. It's like simple science, fire and water will not mix. This is why Eccl.12 revealed there is a "silver cord" that keeps our spirit linked to our flesh, and it is severed at flesh death allowing each part to return to its respective realm.



51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

With that, Apostle Paul begins to reveals something deeper about our resurrection type. When he says "we shall all be changed", that's not just those of us in Christ Jesus. It is about all peoples still alive on earth on the day of Christ's return. Isaiah 25 revealed it, which is where Paul was pulling from about 'death swallowed up in victory', which he quotes in 54th verse below. That Scripture in Isaiah hints the veil or covering of this flesh world earth age is going to be removed for ALL... peoples. That is how all peoples will see Christ's coming in the clouds like Rev.1 says. Their fleshy shells will simply be cast off on that day, revealing their "spiritual body"...


52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Fast as once can blink, it will happen. God's consuming fire on that "day of the Lord" will literally destroy man's works off this earth. It will usher all into Christ's "thousand years" reign on earth. ALL... must be changed to that heavenly body dimension state, for the Heavenly dimension is going to be revealed right here, on earth. If we die first, the resurrection will take care of our 'change' to that state. If we remain alive when Jesus comes, this 'change' Paul spoke of will reveal our resurrection body, a "spiritual body".


53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV


But not everyone... will have put on immortality in that world to come. That is what Paul is pointing to in the Greek of those 53-54 verses. They are 4 different Greek words pointing to 2 required changes that MUST happen in order to have Eternal Life in Christ Jesus.

"corruptible must put on incorruption" = corruptible flesh is cast off, and the spiritual body is revealed.
(this change will happen for everyone left on earth when Jesus returns. It simply means the change from a flesh body to the resurrection type body, or did you miss that the "resurrection of damnation" is a resurrection about the unsaved? And per John 5:28-29 it happens too on the day of Christ's coming.)

"this mortal must put on immortality" = our mortal soul must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ.
(this change is for those in Christ Jesus only. Only the unsaved will still be subject to the "second death" in that world to come. Those in Christ will have put on immortality, meaning their mortal souls made immortal, and can never die; these reign with Jesus Christ in that future world).
 
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Every church I'm aware of except the Jehovah's Witnesses preaches the bodily resurrection of Christ and the bodily resurrection of ourselves. Every single one. How can you not be aware of this? Do you attend church?

I think you mean well but you're misinterpreting 1 Corinthians 15. If you attend a church please bring this to your teachers. If you're not, I think it's good to find one.

So Apostle Paul was not... talking about a "spiritual body" for the resurrection in the following??...

1 Cor 15:42-50

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV
 
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1 Cor 15:37
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

KJV

The flesh body that dies is NOT the body that shall be. Apostle Paul actually makes this easy at the very start. One simply needs to listen to what he said, and not what men's traditions say.


1 Cor 15:42-54
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

Ever wonder what that "it" is?? What is it Paul is saying is sown but is then raised?


44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

What's that "it" that is sown, and then raised? He then reveals at present, meaning right now how God created us, we each have both a "natural body" (flesh) AND a "spiritual body". Paul also revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 when he said if our earthly house were dissolved, we have a body eternal in the heavens, not made with hands, which points to this "spiritual body" we also have today. It is simply inside our flesh, and is what Eccl.12:5-7 was pointing to about our "spirit" that goes back to God at flesh death. Our soul is attached to it.


45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


That "quickening spirit" idea Paul is especially pointing to Lord Jesus' resurrection. Lord Jesus represents the "last Adam" as the final state for God's Eternity. And in John 3 our Lord Jesus was very specific that flesh is separate from spirit. So yes Jesus' flesh body was raised, but it was also "made a quickening spirit". It is no longer a flesh type body like we have.



46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Paul is pointing to Christ Jesus again as the "last Adam was made a quickening spirit".


48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Just to make sure we understand that he was not pointing to a fleshy resurrection, Paul repeats his idea about the "spiritual body" being a body of the heavenly dimension. Just as we have borne these flesh body images on this earth, we shall also one day bear the image of the heavenly, which is that kind of body like the angels have in the heavenly dimension (which can also appear and live on earth, by the way).


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

And just to make sure, Paul cements this idea between a flesh body and a heavenly body, or "spiritual body" type. Flesh and blood cannot... enter in that Heavenly dimension. Why? Because this earthly dimension and the heavenly dimension are 2 'separate' operations. It's like simple science, fire and water will not mix. This is why Eccl.12 revealed there is a "silver cord" that keeps our spirit linked to our flesh, and it is severed at flesh death allowing each part to return to its respective realm.



51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

With that, Apostle Paul begins to reveals something deeper about our resurrection type. When he says "we shall all be changed", that's not just those of us in Christ Jesus. It is about all peoples still alive on earth on the day of Christ's return. Isaiah 25 revealed it, which is where Paul was pulling from about 'death swallowed up in victory', which he quotes in 54th verse below. That Scripture in Isaiah hints the veil or covering of this flesh world earth age is going to be removed for ALL... peoples. That is how all peoples will see Christ's coming in the clouds like Rev.1 says. Their fleshy shells will simply be cast off on that day, revealing their "spiritual body"...


52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Fast as once can blink, it will happen. God's consuming fire on that "day of the Lord" will literally destroy man's works off this earth. It will usher all into Christ's "thousand years" reign on earth. ALL... must be changed to that heavenly body dimension state, for the Heavenly dimension is going to be revealed right here, on earth. If we die first, the resurrection will take care of our 'change' to that state. If we remain alive when Jesus comes, this 'change' Paul spoke of will reveal our resurrection body, a "spiritual body".


53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV


But not everyone... will have put on immortality in that world to come. That is what Paul is pointing to in the Greek of those 53-54 verses. They are 4 different Greek words pointing to 2 required changes that MUST happen in order to have Eternal Life in Christ Jesus.

"corruptible must put on incorruption" = corruptible flesh is cast off, and the spiritual body is revealed.
(this change will happen for everyone left on earth when Jesus returns. It simply means the change from a flesh body to the resurrection type body, or did you miss that the "resurrection of damnation" is a resurrection about the unsaved? And per John 5:28-29 it happens too on the day of Christ's coming.)

"this mortal must put on immortality" = our mortal soul must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ.
(this change is for those in Christ Jesus only. Only the unsaved will still be subject to the "second death" in that world to come. Those in Christ will have put on immortality, meaning their mortal souls made immortal, and can never die; these reign with Jesus Christ in that future world).
More JW nonsense on quickening spirit and denying the bodily Resurrection of Christ which is a salvific issue.

Are you sure you don’t read their materials like awake ?

Because this is just how they argue when they come knocking on your door peddling their magazines and articles.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Luke 24:39
39 " See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."

The spiritual body, or body like the angels, must have some... kind of substance, otherwise it wouldn't be able to eat man's food and manifest upon this earth, like they did in Genesis 18 & 19. One of the "three men" that appeared to Abraham in Gen.18 was Lord Jesus in Old Testament times. He had no flesh body then in Abraham's day, yet Abraham saw Him, and bowed to Him, and called Him Lord. Not only that, but Abraham prepared food and drink for all 3 of them, and they did eat and drink. So no marvel that after Lord Jesus' resurrection, He was able to eat fish and honeycomb His Apostles gave Him, and they could feel His resurrection body. Substance too, just not a flesh dimension body, but a heavenly dimension body type, Christ's flesh body having been transfigured to "a quickening spirit" like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:45-47.


1 Corinthians 15:50
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Paul not only states that one of the main tenants of the gospel is the belief that Jesus rose from the dead, but in verse 17, he goes on to say that “if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.” For centuries, Christians have taught and defended the doctrine of the resurrection – teaching that Jesus physically rose in the same human body in which He died. Notice the correlation between the perishable human body and the imperishable resurrected body as described in

So if Johnny jumps off the bridge, then you have too also? Which is more important, what the actual Scriptures say, or what men's traditions say?

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
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“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.”

You are funny. You cannot try to use Greek soma ("body") to try and prove the resurrection body type (a "spiritual body" Paul says) is another one of flesh! That's silly, especially... with the fact of what Paul later describes further about the resurrection body of incorruption being a HEAVENLY IMAGE BODY TYPE...

1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

KJV

To believe your interpretation of Paul, it would have to mean that "image of the heavenly" is ALSO flesh! It would also mean that heavenly image body, which the angels have, would mean the angels are also... in fleshy bodies in Heaven!! Silly, silly, silly, you are with your traditions of men!
 
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1 Cor 15:37
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

KJV

The flesh body that dies is NOT the body that shall be. Apostle Paul actually makes this easy at the very start. One simply needs to listen to what he said, and not what men's traditions say.


1 Cor 15:42-54
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

Ever wonder what that "it" is?? What is it Paul is saying is sown but is then raised?


44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

What's that "it" that is sown, and then raised? He then reveals at present, meaning right now how God created us, we each have both a "natural body" (flesh) AND a "spiritual body". Paul also revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 when he said if our earthly house were dissolved, we have a body eternal in the heavens, not made with hands, which points to this "spiritual body" we also have today. It is simply inside our flesh, and is what Eccl.12:5-7 was pointing to about our "spirit" that goes back to God at flesh death. Our soul is attached to it.


45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


That "quickening spirit" idea Paul is especially pointing to Lord Jesus' resurrection. Lord Jesus represents the "last Adam" as the final state for God's Eternity. And in John 3 our Lord Jesus was very specific that flesh is separate from spirit. So yes Jesus' flesh body was raised, but it was also "made a quickening spirit". It is no longer a flesh type body like we have.



46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Paul is pointing to Christ Jesus again as the "last Adam was made a quickening spirit".


48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Just to make sure we understand that he was not pointing to a fleshy resurrection, Paul repeats his idea about the "spiritual body" being a body of the heavenly dimension. Just as we have borne these flesh body images on this earth, we shall also one day bear the image of the heavenly, which is that kind of body like the angels have in the heavenly dimension (which can also appear and live on earth, by the way).


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

And just to make sure, Paul cements this idea between a flesh body and a heavenly body, or "spiritual body" type. Flesh and blood cannot... enter in that Heavenly dimension. Why? Because this earthly dimension and the heavenly dimension are 2 'separate' operations. It's like simple science, fire and water will not mix. This is why Eccl.12 revealed there is a "silver cord" that keeps our spirit linked to our flesh, and it is severed at flesh death allowing each part to return to its respective realm.



51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

With that, Apostle Paul begins to reveals something deeper about our resurrection type. When he says "we shall all be changed", that's not just those of us in Christ Jesus. It is about all peoples still alive on earth on the day of Christ's return. Isaiah 25 revealed it, which is where Paul was pulling from about 'death swallowed up in victory', which he quotes in 54th verse below. That Scripture in Isaiah hints the veil or covering of this flesh world earth age is going to be removed for ALL... peoples. That is how all peoples will see Christ's coming in the clouds like Rev.1 says. Their fleshy shells will simply be cast off on that day, revealing their "spiritual body"...


52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Fast as once can blink, it will happen. God's consuming fire on that "day of the Lord" will literally destroy man's works off this earth. It will usher all into Christ's "thousand years" reign on earth. ALL... must be changed to that heavenly body dimension state, for the Heavenly dimension is going to be revealed right here, on earth. If we die first, the resurrection will take care of our 'change' to that state. If we remain alive when Jesus comes, this 'change' Paul spoke of will reveal our resurrection body, a "spiritual body".


53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV


But not everyone... will have put on immortality in that world to come. That is what Paul is pointing to in the Greek of those 53-54 verses. They are 4 different Greek words pointing to 2 required changes that MUST happen in order to have Eternal Life in Christ Jesus.

"corruptible must put on incorruption" = corruptible flesh is cast off, and the spiritual body is revealed.
(this change will happen for everyone left on earth when Jesus returns. It simply means the change from a flesh body to the resurrection type body, or did you miss that the "resurrection of damnation" is a resurrection about the unsaved? And per John 5:28-29 it happens too on the day of Christ's coming.)

"this mortal must put on immortality" = our mortal soul must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ.
(this change is for those in Christ Jesus only. Only the unsaved will still be subject to the "second death" in that world to come. Those in Christ will have put on immortality, meaning their mortal souls made immortal, and can never die; these reign with Jesus Christ in that future world).

It seems you went to all that trouble to write this post without reading or understanding what you were quoting from. What do you think the post you are quoting from and the scriptures I provided in them were saying in it?
 
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It seems you went to all that trouble to write this post without reading or understanding what you were quoting from. What do you think the post you are quoting from and the scriptures I provided in them were saying in it?

You're being funny! LOL!
 
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The spiritual body, or body like the angels, must have some... kind of substance, otherwise it wouldn't be able to eat man's food and manifest upon this earth, like they did in Genesis 18 & 19. One of the "three men" that appeared to Abraham in Gen.18 was Lord Jesus in Old Testament times. He had no flesh body then in Abraham's day, yet Abraham saw Him, and bowed to Him, and called Him Lord. Not only that, but Abraham prepared food and drink for all 3 of them, and they did eat and drink. So no marvel that after Lord Jesus' resurrection, He was able to eat fish and honeycomb His Apostles gave Him, and they could feel His resurrection body. Substance too, just not a flesh dimension body, but a heavenly dimension body type, Christ's flesh body having been transfigured to "a quickening spirit" like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:45-47.




So if Johnny jumps off the bridge, then you have too also? Which is more important, what the actual Scriptures say, or what men's traditions say?



You are funny. You cannot try to use Greek soma ("body") to try and prove the resurrection body type (a "spiritual body" Paul says) is another one of flesh! That's silly, especially... with the fact of what Paul later describes further about the resurrection body of incorruption being a HEAVENLY IMAGE BODY TYPE...

1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

KJV

To believe your interpretation of Paul, it would have to mean that "image of the heavenly" is ALSO flesh! It would also mean that heavenly image body, which the angels have, would mean the angels are also... in fleshy bodies in Heaven!! Silly, silly, silly, you are with your traditions of men!
Sorry but the Incarnation was PERMANENT not temporal. Your view is anti-Christian, anti-Biblical.

Jesus is not an angel that is JW heretical teaching.

hope this helps !!!
 
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So Apostle Paul was not... talking about a "spiritual body" for the resurrection in the following??...

1 Cor 15:42-50

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV
The Resurrection Body
35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Color coded for easy understanding. In every case mentioned by Paul in this passage a body whether it is earthly, heavenly, natural, spiritual, animal, bird,fish,star,moon etc........ IS PHYSICAL, MATERIAL BODIES.

CASE CLOSED.

soma( body ) is always physical when Paul is discussing the Resurrection in this passage. No exceptions period.

conclusion: davy you need to study to show thyself approved which you have FALIED MIDERABLY at in this discussion with your heterodox ideas.

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So Apostle Paul was not... talking about a "spiritual body" for the resurrection in the following??...

1 Cor 15:42-50

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Lets' discuss some of the earlier verses here though and your comments you have attached to them as to how you understand them...
1 Cor 15:37 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: KJV - The flesh body that dies is NOT the body that shall be. Apostle Paul actually makes this easy at the very start. One simply needs to listen to what he said, and not what men's traditions say.
I think we need to keep in mind here that the original question being asked in 1 Corinthians 15 does not start in verse 37 in regards to the resurrection of the saints. The original question starts in the contexts of verses 34-35 where Paul says...

[34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. [35], But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?

So the original question being answered here to v57 in context to awake to righteousness (moral right doing and obedience to Gods' Word) and sin (moral wrong doing through breaking Gods' law - 1 John 3:4) not is "How are the dead raised up and with what body do they come? That is in verse 35 does not say that the body dies and the Spirit of the body lives. The Greek here is [35], αλλ' ερεί τις πως εγείρονται οι νεκροί ποίω δε σώματι έρχονται translated in to English as [35], But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?” That is of course what kind of body "will they be given at the resurrection" which is context to the resurrection (in the future). It is not saying when the body dies the Spirit appears. Also, as posted earlier you really should look up the Greek and Hebrew word meaning for Spirit and Soul as it seems you did not read my post with the Hebrew and Greek dictionary meanings on this subject matter from post # 90 linked.
1 Cor 15:42-54 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
Ever wonder what that "it" is?? What is it Paul is saying is sown but is then raised?
Your question is already answered in the scripture contexts you have left out here

[36], Thou fool, that which thou sow is not quickened, except it die
[37], And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
[38], But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
[39], All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[40], There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
[41], There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
[42], So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption.

Paul is giving the example here of the seed that is produced at the death of a plant is buried at the death of a plant giving the example of grain of wheat showing that a wheat cannot be something else but when it is buried but God gives the raised seed it's own body as it pleases him [v36-38], while in v39-42 Paul goes on to show that not all bodies (flesh) are the same as there are many kinds of bodies in the animal and celestial world. The point here in v42 is that when we die in corruption and death we are raised at the resurrection like a seed to incorruption and eternal life.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. What's that "it" that is sown, and then raised? He then reveals at present, meaning right now how God created us, we each have both a "natural body" (flesh) AND a "spiritual body". Paul also revealed this in 2 Corinthians 5 when he said if our earthly house were dissolved, we have a body eternal in the heavens, not made with hands, which points to this "spiritual body" we also have today. It is simply inside our flesh, and is what Eccl.12:5-7 was pointing to about our "spirit" that goes back to God at flesh death. Our soul is attached to it.
Keeping with the chapter contexts as shown already above...

[44], It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The context here is to the questions asked and what Paul has said previously in

[34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. [35], But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?

So the context here is to the resurrection and what kind of body will we receive at the second coming when the dead in Christ arise from their sleep (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-57 see post # 114 linked). The context here is to the future resurrection not to a new heavenly body that we have now. You may wish to revisit this as your comments here are reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. - That "quickening spirit" idea Paul is especially pointing to Lord Jesus' resurrection. Lord Jesus represents the "last Adam" as the final state for God's Eternity. And in John 3 our Lord Jesus was very specific that flesh is separate from spirit. So yes Jesus' flesh body was raised, but it was also "made a quickening spirit". It is no longer a flesh type body like we have.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. - Paul is pointing to Christ Jesus again as the "last Adam was made a quickening spirit".
Agreed, this is already stated that we will receive a new body at the resurrection in the post you are quoting from so not sure of the point your trying to make here.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. - Just to make sure we understand that he was not pointing to a fleshy resurrection, Paul repeats his idea about the "spiritual body" being a body of the heavenly dimension. Just as we have borne these flesh body images on this earth, we shall also one day bear the image of the heavenly, which is that kind of body like the angels have in the heavenly dimension (which can also appear and live on earth, by the way).
Please read the post you are quoting from. I never said that at the resurrection we will be given an earthly fleshly body. Did you read what you were quoting from?
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, With that, Apostle Paul begins to reveals something deeper about our resurrection type. When he says "we shall all be changed", that's not just those of us in Christ Jesus. It is about all peoples still alive on earth on the day of Christ's return. Isaiah 25 revealed it, which is where Paul was pulling from about 'death swallowed up in victory', which he quotes in 54th verse below. That Scripture in Isaiah hints the veil or covering of this flesh world earth age is going to be removed for ALL... peoples. That is how all peoples will see Christ's coming in the clouds like Rev.1 says. Their fleshy shells will simply be cast off on that day, revealing their "spiritual body"...
The scriptures do not say here that our earthly shells will be cast off to reveal what is already there. The scriptures in context are to the new body that all in Christ (the saints) will receive who are alive and raised from the dead at the second coming and the resurrection of the dead. The wicked dead however when they are resurrected latter will not receive a new body they will have their old body of flesh as Jesus was raised at His resurrection while still on the earth which is the second resurrection (Revelation 20:5-6).
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. - Fast as once can blink, it will happen. God's consuming fire on that "day of the Lord" will literally destroy man's works off this earth. It will usher all into Christ's "thousand years" reign on earth. ALL... must be changed to that heavenly body dimension state, for the Heavenly dimension is going to be revealed right here, on earth. If we die first, the resurrection will take care of our 'change' to that state. If we remain alive when Jesus comes, this 'change' Paul spoke of will reveal our resurrection body, a "spiritual body".
Yes this will be given to all in Christ at the second coming when the dead in Christ shall be raised from the graves. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. KJV - But not everyone... will have put on immortality in that world to come. That is what Paul is pointing to in the Greek of those 53-54 verses. They are 4 different Greek words pointing to 2 required changes that MUST happen in order to have Eternal Life in Christ Jesus. "corruptible must put on incorruption" = corruptible flesh is cast off, and the spiritual body is revealed. (this change will happen for everyone left on earth when Jesus returns. It simply means the change from a flesh body to the resurrection type body, or did you miss that the "resurrection of damnation" is a resurrection about the unsaved? And per John 5:28-29 it happens too on the day of Christ's coming.) "this mortal must put on immortality" = our mortal soul must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ. (this change is for those in Christ Jesus only. Only the unsaved will still be subject to the "second death" in that world to come. Those in Christ will have put on immortality, meaning their mortal souls made immortal, and can never die; these reign with Jesus Christ in that future world).
As shown earlier in both scripture contexts, and the Greek. The new spiritual heavenly Body of the saints is not revealed it is given at the second coming to all of God's saints. The wicked do not receive the new heavenly body as they will not inherit everlasting life.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Try reading my previous post with some common sense and understanding.

All you do is quote scripture without comprehension of the passage. I exegeted it with biblical definitions and Paul’s usage of them from 1 Corinthians.

atleast JWs interact with the text and respond point by point which is more than I can say about your unbiblical methods.

next………..

Try reading the Scripture I post, that's all I will discuss with you.
 
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More JW nonsense on quickening spirit and denying the bodily Resurrection of Christ which is a salvific issue.

Are you sure you don’t read their materials like awake ?

Because this is just how they argue when they come knocking on your door peddling their magazines and articles.

hope this helps !!!

You are being Ignored.
 
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Go to church.

Read your Bible, instead of letting your Church system tell you what it says with denominational system doctrines of men written in some far away city and sent in the form of Church Quarterlies for the pastor, and for Sunday school.
 
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Lets' discuss some of the earlier verses here though and your comments you have attached to them as to how you understand them...

I think we need to keep in mind here that the original question being asked in 1 Corinthians 15 does not start in verse 37 in regards to the resurrection of the saints. The original question starts in the contexts of verses 34-35 where Paul says...

[34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. [35], But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?

So the original question being answered here to v57 in context to awake to righteousness (moral right doing and obedience to Gods' Word) and sin (moral wrong doing through breaking Gods' law - 1 John 3:4) not is "How are the dead raised up and with what body do they come? That is in verse 35 does not say that the body dies and the Spirit of the body lives. The Greek here is [35], αλλ' ερεί τις πως εγείρονται οι νεκροί ποίω δε σώματι έρχονται translated in to English as [35], But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?” That is of course what kind of body "will they be given at the resurrection" which is context to the resurrection (in the future). It is not saying when the body dies the Spirit appears. Also, as posted earlier you really should look up the Greek and Hebrew word meaning for Spirit and Soul as it seems you did not read my post with the Hebrew and Greek dictionary meanings on this subject matter from post # 90 linked.

Anyone reading the 1 Corinthians 15 chapter well knows when the specific subject of what type of body the resurrection is starts at verse 35. No need to play ring-around-the-rosies with the Greek about that, for it says that very point in the Greek too.

This Scripture asks with what kind of body do they appear. It doesn't ask what body will they be given. And this still does not negate all the other Bible examples of our created makeup that I've covered also. So you cannot try to isolate those other Scriptures, like 2 Corinthians 5, Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, etc.

1 Cor 15:35
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

KJV

Your question is already answered in the scripture contexts you have left out here

[36], Thou fool, that which thou sow is not quickened, except it die
[37], And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
[38], But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
[39], All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[40], There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
[41], There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
[42], So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption.

Nah, my question to you is NOT answered by that above Scripture section. Nice try though, but Paul doesn't get to the nitty-gritty of the 'type body description' until later at verse 44-50, the specific Scripture I asked you to explain, which so far, you keep bypassing.

What does the above 1 Corinthians 15:36-42 actually say? Paul is 'preparing'... the mind to understand the resurrection body type in that. He is leading up to the actual description verses I mentioned. Paul uses the analogy of how a seed in the ground germinates, put for our flesh body as the seed, but what manifests as not that same seed, i.e., not that flesh body that was sown. The flesh body that is sown he says is "not that body that shall be". So you cannot say the resurrection body is another flesh body with that analogy by Paul. At that point above Paul isn't even describing the body type yet; he's leading up to it, letting us know there are TWO different things involved.

In verses 38 thru 41, Paul simply shows how God has given different kinds of bodies to different things. All those items in those verses have to do with this earthly dimension of material matter. Celestial bodies like the sun and planets are still... in this earthly dimension reality, as is the whole universe is of this material dimension. Yet we know there is another dimension of reality, the spiritual dimension of Spirit. But that doesn't get into that until verse 44 like I have said.

1 Cor 15:42-45
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
KJV

"natural body" = a flesh body
"spiritual body" = a spirit body, eternal in the heavens, non-flesh
"quickening spirit" = the "spiritual body" type, a quickening spirit (Greek pneuma)


[44], It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The context here is to the questions asked and what Paul has said previously in

[34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. [35], But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?

So the context here is to the resurrection and what kind of body will we receive at the second coming when the dead in Christ arise from their sleep (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-57 see post # 114 linked). The context here is to the future resurrection not to a new heavenly body that we have now. You may wish to revisit this as your comments here are reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach.

SEE BRETHREN -- LoveGodsWord has bypassed... the actual meaning of that 1 Corinthians 15:44 verse about that "spiritual body"! He completely... failed to address it.

Apostle Paul is not done describing what that "spiritual body" is yet in that verse 44, so anyone trying to do that early at this point is just ADDING to the Scripture, something we are not to do.

So already LoveGodsWord, you have de-railed yourself in 1 Corinthians 15 about the topic of what type body the resurrection is. You left God's Word about it, and ADDED a tradition of man instead. You did NOT KEEP to the actual Scripture.
 
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And your heretical beliefs have been exposed for all to see with the scriptures I posted and exegesis of those texts which refute your JW false teachings on the Resurrection of Christ. And most people who are incapable of defending their faith with apologetics place their opposition on ignore. I’ve never put anyone on ignore and I’ve been in Christian forums for the past 25 years.

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Anyone reading the 1 Corinthians 15 chapter well knows when the specific subject of what type of body the resurrection is starts at verse 35. No need to play ring-around-the-rosies with the Greek about that, for it says that very point in the Greek too.

This Scripture asks with what kind of body do they appear. It doesn't ask what body will they be given. And this still does not negate all the other Bible examples of our created makeup that I've covered also. So you cannot try to isolate those other Scriptures, like 2 Corinthians 5, Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, etc.

1 Cor 15:35
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
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Nah, my question to you is NOT answered by that above Scripture section. Nice try though, but Paul doesn't get to the nitty-gritty of the 'type body description' until later at verse 44-50, the specific Scripture I asked you to explain, which so far, you keep bypassing.

What does the above 1 Corinthians 15:36-42 actually say? Paul is 'preparing'... the mind to understand the resurrection body type in that. He is leading up to the actual description verses I mentioned. Paul uses the analogy of how a seed in the ground germinates, put for our flesh body as the seed, but what manifests as not that same seed, i.e., not that flesh body that was sown. The flesh body that is sown he says is "not that body that shall be". So you cannot say the resurrection body is another flesh body with that analogy by Paul. At that point above Paul isn't even describing the body type yet; he's leading up to it, letting us know there are TWO different things involved.

In verses 38 thru 41, Paul simply shows how God has given different kinds of bodies to different things. All those items in those verses have to do with this earthly dimension of material matter. Celestial bodies like the sun and planets are still... in this earthly dimension reality, as is the whole universe is of this material dimension. Yet we know there is another dimension of reality, the spiritual dimension of Spirit. But that doesn't get into that until verse 44 like I have said.

1 Cor 15:42-45
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
KJV

"natural body" = a flesh body
"spiritual body" = a spirit body, eternal in the heavens, non-flesh
"quickening spirit" = the "spiritual body" type, a quickening spirit (Greek pneuma)




SEE BRETHREN -- LoveGodsWord has bypassed... the actual meaning of that 1 Corinthians 15:44 verse about that "spiritual body"! He completely... failed to address it.

Apostle Paul is not done describing what that "spiritual body" is yet in that verse 44, so anyone trying to do that early at this point is just ADDING to the Scripture, something we are not to do.

So already LoveGodsWord, you have de-railed yourself in 1 Corinthians 15 about the topic of what type body the resurrection is. You left God's Word about it, and ADDED a tradition of man instead. You did NOT KEEP to the actual Scripture.

Hello Davy,

Please forgive me as I respectfully disagree. Your post here is only repetition of what you posted earlier the first time without showing why you disagree with what was posted from the scriptures and the Greek in the post you are quoting from.

See my response here...

THE TRUTH ABOUT SOUL SLEEP OR STATE OF THE DEAD?

As posted earlier and shown from the scriptures and the Greek, the new body given at the resurrection is not something that is revealed but something that is given at the second coming by Jesus to those who believe and follow him. The wicked do not receive a new body at the second coming. The new body is linked directly to and is given at the resurrection not before the resurrection at the second coming of Jesus. So this event is future as it is linked directly to the resurrection at the second coming not beforehand. This was shown in the scripture and the Greek. Of course you can ignore this. You are free to believe what ever you wish. That is between you and God. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 so we will of course agree to disagree because as already shown in through the scriptures in the posts shared with you, it seems your trying to read into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach, so we might have to agree to disagree here.

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Hello Davy,

Please forgive me as I respectfully disagree. Your post here is only repetition of what you posted earlier the first time without showing why you disagree with what was posted from the scriptures and the Greek in the post you are quoting from.


Well, you're obviously not interested in what the 1 Corinthians 15:44-50 verses actually say as written, since you're not willing to go into those. So I see no reason to continue to try and converse with you about it.

And yes, my posts are repetitious sounding to you because you keep bypassing the Scripture I ask you to cover, but you won't.

Those on man's sleep in the ground theory don't like those 1 Corinthians 15:44-50 verses, because disproves their fleshy theories about the resurrection. Just remember that Apostle Paul said that flesh and blood cannot... inherit the kingdom of God. That means the resurrection body is NOT a flesh and blood type body.
 
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Well, you're obviously not interested in what the 1 Corinthians 15:44-50 verses actually say as written, since you're not willing to go into those. So I see no reason to continue to try and converse with you about it.

And yes, my posts are repetitious sounding to you because you keep bypassing the Scripture I ask you to cover, but you won't.

Those on man's sleep in the ground theory don't like those 1 Corinthians 15:44-50 verses, because disproves their fleshy theories about the resurrection. Just remember that Apostle Paul said that flesh and blood cannot... inherit the kingdom of God. That means the resurrection body is NOT a flesh and blood type body.

Now Davy,

That is not true at all. I Love Gods' Word (excuse the pun :)) and you have been shown from the scriptures why your teachings or your interpretations of the scriptures you have provided here are not biblical. This has already shown through context you leave out and the Greek, 1 Corinthians 15:34-57 disagrees with your claims and your teachings.

The scriptures provided in post # 114 linked and post # 130 linked, prove that your reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. As posted earlier and shown from the scriptures in the linked posts, the context of 1 Corinthians 15:34-57 shows that receiving a new eternal body is to the resurrection and what kind of body will we receive is given at the second coming when the dead in Christ arise from their sleep (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-57 see post # 114 linked).

The context here is to the future resurrection not to a new heavenly body that we have now. You may wish to revisit this as your trying to read into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach. Your teachings here make no sense when tested in the light of scripture. How does it make any sense at all for men to die and go to heaven or hell only to be sent back to the grave at the resurrection and be raised to life again? Think it through.

There has been so much scripture provided on these topic in the OP and the posts on page one that one would have to deny a lot of scripture and pretty much all the bible on this topic to think otherwise. Everyone of your scriptures have been discussed in detail now proving they are not saying what you are claiming they are saying. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. I will leave the scriptures for you to consider and pray about.

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
 
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Those on man's sleep in the ground theory don't like those 1 Corinthians 15:44-50 verses, because disproves their fleshy theories about the resurrection. Just remember that Apostle Paul said that flesh and blood cannot... inherit the kingdom of God. That means the resurrection body is NOT a flesh and blood type body.

No theory dear friend as shown in the many scriptures from many posts on the first page. If you disagree your welcome to show why but your claim here is simply your words disagreeing with Gods' Word in the scriptures shared with you as shown on page one without showing why you disagree with the scriptures already provided. So we will have to agree to disagree here.
 
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Now Davy,

That is not true at all. I Love Gods' Word (excuse the pun :)) and you have been shown from the scriptures why your teachings or your interpretations of the scriptures you have provided here are not biblical. This has already shown through context you leave out and the Greek, 1 Corinthians 15:34-57 disagrees with your claims and your teachings.

Why are you telling that lie? You never covered the 1 Corinthians 15:44-50 Scripture at all!
 
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