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Yes, the Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals our flesh goes back to the earthly elements where it came from. But our spirit goes back to God Who gave it.

That spirit part going back to God is shown as something separate from the flesh going back into the dust of the earth. Jesus showed this also in John 3 when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Thus the spirit part Jesus also confirmed contains our soul, as per Matthew 10:28.

Now there's no Biblical evidence that angels appearing on earth have a flesh body. They appeared with the image of man which all the angels were created with, even the cherub Satan, but that doesn't mean that image of man has to mean a flesh body. Some think putting on a flesh body is required, but that only shows how attached to the flesh they are, and their carnal mind. That would include those who believe that God's Heavenly abode is on another planet in another galaxy (which would make God an alien actually).

Genesis 18 when Jesus appeared to Abraham along with the two angels that were sent to Lot reveals a lot once one thoroughly reads that Chapter. Abraham sees "three men", and he bows to them, calling one of them 'Lord'. He then prepares food for them and they eat. Then the two angels leave with Abraham still standing there talking with The Lord (Jesus). And what are they talking about? Abraham is begging Him to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah if there are righteous still there. Then in Genesis 19, the two angels appear to Lot, and he makes supper for them and they eat. The sodomites who see the two angels only see them as two men though, and tell Lot to bring them out so they can have sex with them.

What that reveals IF you have your thinking cap on:
1. Jesus wasn't born through woman's womb yet in Abraham's day. So that strikes out any idea that He had taken on a flesh body in order to appear to Abraham.
2. The 'three men' suddenly appeared out of nowhere at Abraham's tent door we are told. Jesus in His resurrection body did this in a closed off room to His disciples.
3. They were able to eat earthly food while in their angelic body state.
4. They were able to sleep in Lot's house, but the two angels chose to remain awake.

That reveals the difference between the two dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, this earthy vs. the heavenly.

Eccl.12:5-7 mentioned the existence of a "silver cord" that when "loosed", then the two parts go to their separate locations where they originated. Little is known about this idea of a "silver cord", but it further confirms that the two parts are separate operations. In other words, flesh is not spirit, and spirit is not flesh. They are two separate manifestations. The flesh is of this earth, but the spirit is of the heavenly realm.

That the two are truly separate operations is further proven in God's Word by this...

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

That means material matter of this world was not made of the material world. Matter did not create itself. This is actually a basic law in physics, that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only change its state (liquid, solid, gas, vapor).

But what the whole verse is pointing to is, that something outside... of material matter created the material universe. We call that something GOD, our Heavenly Father. And He did that by The Word of God, He spoke and it came to pass.

That especially means, He is not material matter. Per John 4, God is a Spirit, and all who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. Thus the realm of Spirit is not this realm of material matter we live in. They are two separate operations. Flesh is from flesh, and spirit is from Spirit.

If one does not understand this, then they will never understand how the heavenly is going to be revealed upon this earth in the future.

What is the Spirit that returns to God that gave it (look up the Hebrew and Greek word meaning) or the soul? Where did this Spirit come from at creation before there was life in man *Genesis 2:7? If you believe that the Spirit is us apart from the body are you saying we always existed before life on earth? Think it through your not sharing the truth of Gods' Word (see the OP for scripture support on the state of the dead on page one - many posts already provided). The new heavenly bodies given at the resurrection have already been discussed in some detail already in post # 114 linked and post # 130 linked
 
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Its our soul that goes back to God.

Our soul/spirit of man/woman* is created in the womb. Then our life is determined by every life factor of experience we go through.
The word soul used in the biblical scriptures in the Hebrew simply means a living breathing creature. The Spirit is the breath of life that God gives us so we can live. The idea that we are an immortal spirits has its origin from Egypt, Babylon and Greek paganism adopted by Catholicism and handed down to much of Christianity today which is not biblical. Do some research and find out for yourself.

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word
 
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The word soul used in the biblical scriptures in the Hebrew simply means a living breathing creature. The Spirit is the breath of life that God gives us so we can live. The idea that we are an immortal spirits has its origin from Egypt, Babylon and Greek paganism adopted by Catholicism and handed down to much of Christianity today which is not biblical. Do some research and find out for yourself.

May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word

Jesus showed in Matthew 10:28 that the 'soul' continues after flesh death...

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

KJV

The 'breath of life' is from God's life-giving Spirit, it is not simply air around the earth.

If your interpretation of Genesis 2:7 were true, then as soon as God formed Adam's flesh the 'air' in the atmosphere should have made Adam's flesh come alive. Instead, it took God's Breath breathed into Adam's flesh to manifest as a living 'soul'. And that Breath is not merely animate life like all living things have. We learn this from the above Matthew 10:28 Scripture by Lord Jesus, because He said one's soul continues after flesh death. That means one's soul is a personal thing common to all men, but not plants and such.
 
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Jesus showed in Matthew 10:28 that the 'soul' continues after flesh death...

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

KJV

The 'breath of life' is from God's life-giving Spirit, it is not simply air around the earth.

If your interpretation of Genesis 2:7 were true, then as soon as God formed Adam's flesh the 'air' in the atmosphere should have made Adam's flesh come alive. Instead, it took God's Breath breathed into Adam's flesh to manifest as a living 'soul'. And that Breath is not merely animate life like all living things have. We learn this from the above Matthew 10:28 Scripture by Lord Jesus, because He said one's soul continues after flesh death. That means one's soul is a personal thing common to all men, but not plants and such.

No. As posted earlier look up the Greek word for soul which means breath of life (Genesis 2:7).

There was no interpretation of Genesis 2:7 only the scripture was provided word for word that says [7], And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

At death the breath of life returns to God who gave it...

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (H7307 רוּחַ (rûwach | roo'-akh) = breath of life) shall return to God who gave it.

You should do some more research here.
 
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Thank you for your topic; LGW; it took a lot of work to go and grab all that information for others to check and see.
Your very welcome GallagherM my prayer is that Gods' Word will be a blessing to you and everyone here and that we may all seek to know Jesus through His Words because it is only in Gods' Word we can know him who calls us in love to love another. Jesus is calling us all back to seek him through his Word as he wants us to seek him as he promises to be our guide and teacher. May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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This is not true. The term "soul sleep" is new but as shown in the scriptures and the very words of Jesus death as a sleep has been used in the scriptures for 1000's of years before the new covenant Church ever existed. It can also be shown in Judaism and the early Church after the Apostles in the 2nd Century AD (e.g Tatian's address to the Greeks and the records of Eusebius of Caesarea).
It seems to me that "soul sleep" is a Jehovah's Witnesses term.
I never did much agree with them about anything.
 
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It seems to me that "soul sleep" is a Jehovah's Witnesses term. I never did much agree with them about anything.

Hi OSAS, the term "soul sleep" was used since the reformation times. Though the state of the dead as shown in the scriptures as "sleep" in the old and new testament and the very words of Jesus referring to death has been around since the beginning of biblical time as shown from the scriptures in the post of the OP and on page one in this thread.
 
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No. As posted earlier look up the Greek word for soul which means breath of life (Genesis 2:7).

There was no interpretation of Genesis 2:7 only the scripture was provided word for word that says [7], And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

At death the breath of life returns to God who gave it...

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (H7307 רוּחַ (rûwach | roo'-akh) = breath of life) shall return to God who gave it.

You should do some more research here.
Please be more respectful of others.
It sounds like he hit a sour cord in your retoric.
 
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Please be more respectful of others.
It sounds like he hit a sour cord in your retoric.

What is being disrespectful about providing scripture for why one might disagree with something someone may be claiming that is not biblical? It is always good advice however to be respectful of others. God's Word is not rhetoric but our opinions that disagree with Gods' Word however are as only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. What is it that you disagree with and why?
 
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What is being disrespectful about providing scripture for why one might disagree with something someone may be claiming that is not biblical? It is always good advice however to be respectful of others. God's Word is not rhetoric but our opinions that disagree with Gods' Word however are as only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. What is it that you disagree with and why?
You are misusing God's word.
That's a sin.
Here is truth.
Luke 16:19;
Lazarus and the rich man;
They were not lying dead in the ground
Revelation 6:9-11;
The souls who had been slain because of the word of God; all alive and well in heaven.
John 11:25-26;
"I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies: and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
Romans 2:7; "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life."
Philippians 1:21; "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."
Paul knew when he died, he would be with God.
No soul sleep.
To teach soul sleep is to take away hope we have in Christ.
Thus your teaching is anti-christ.

When you said to Davy, "you need to do some more research here".
That was a polite way of saying "you don't know what you are talking about."
That's down-right rude.
You are judging someone else's servant.
 
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You are misusing God's word. That's a sin.
You would have to disagree with a lot of scripture already posted in the OP and on page one of this thread to claim that one. God is my judge not you. Perhaps you should consider reading Romans 2:1-12?
Here is truth.
Great let's examine it together. :)
Luke 16:19; Lazarus and the rich man; They were not lying dead in the ground
Luke 16:19-26 is a parable. When Jesus speaks of the parables of the wheat and tares or the lost sheep are we literally wheat and tares or sheep? Or in Luke 16:24 if someone is burning in flames will someone who dips their finger in water cool a burning mans tongue?

Or perhaps here...

Revelation 6:9-11; The souls who had been slain because of the word of God; all alive and well in heaven.
Revelation 6:9-11 is a vision in regards to the opening of the six seals, where does it say in this scripture that everything in it is literal? Is Revelation 6:2-8 talking about literal horses being unleashed on the world to cause havoc or events that are to take place on the world very quickly? If your interpretation of these scriptures is true and literal why do those dead souls that were slain only come alive at the opening of the fifth seal? You do know there is a book of remembrance *Malachi 3:16 this is what the fifth seal is referring to here in Johns vision. For example we can continue in the book of Revelation if you like. Is a great harlot running about on a seven headed beast with ten horns with her name written on her head according to Revelation 17:1-6? Is the devil really a dragon that ate a new born child according to Revelation 12:17? Does Jesus literally have a tongue that is a two edged sword *Revelation 1:16; Revelation 2:16; Revelation 19:15-21? You know we can go on and on here in the book of Revelation, so I hope you get the point.
John 11:25-26; "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies: and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
Yes I believe this. When does the resurrection of the dead (those who sleep in the graves) take place?

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[13], But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14], For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15], For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18], Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The resurrection of the dead takes place at the second coming...

1 Corinthians 15:51-55
[51], Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52], In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53], For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54], So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[55], O death, where is thy sting? O grave,6 where is thy victory?

Your scripture is talking about the resurrection that takes place at the second coming and does not support you interpretation that the dead are in heaven.
Romans 2:7; "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life." Philippians 1:21; "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."
Paul knew when he died, he would be with God. No soul sleep.
So which of the scriptures that you have provided here say we are resurrected and receive eternal life when we die? - Not one. As shown in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and in 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 we do not receive eternal life until the resurrection which is at the second coming.
To teach soul sleep is to take away hope we have in Christ. Thus your teaching is anti-christ.
Not really dear friend but allow me to explain why from the scriptures. How does the scriptures that teach death is like a sleep until the resurrection at the second coming where Gods' people receive eternal life take away our hope in Christ? - It doesn't. There is a lot of scripture provided already in the OP and on page one that disagrees with you here and we have just gone through all your scriptures to show they do not say what you are claiming they are saying so what do you have to support your teaching here? -Nothing. Let's go a little further as to help the discussion. Do you believe the words of Jesus calling death a sleep who also agrees with Paul and all the other old and new testament scriptures as provided in the OP and on page 1?

Matthew 9:18; 23-24
[18], While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
[23], And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
[24], He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.

John 11:24
[11], These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
[12], Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
[13], Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
[14], Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
[15], And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
[16], Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
[17], ¶ Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
[18], Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
[19], And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
[20], Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
[21], Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
[22], But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
[23], Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
[24], Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Do you believe the very words of Jesus above?
When you said to Davy, "you need to do some more research here". That was a polite way of saying "you don't know what you are talking about." That's down-right rude. You are judging someone else's servant.
Why would you think it is being rude to someone to say they need to do more research when I was referring to the Hebrew and Greek word meanings of "Spirit" and "Soul"? I said this as to say, do not believe what I say, look it up for yourself. Where you being rude by claiming I am sinning and my posts are rhetoric when all I have posted is scripture which are Gods' Words and not my words and seeking to judge me for sharing God's Words which are not my words but God's? Both Matthew 7:1-5 and Romans 2:1-12 are good reading we should all consider here I would say. What about you?

Hope this is helpful.
 
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You would have to disagree with a lot of scripture already posted in the OP and on page one of this thread to claim that one. God is my judge not you. Perhaps you should consider reading Romans 2:1-12?

Great let's examine it together. :)

Luke 16:19-26 is a parable. When Jesus speaks of the parables of the wheat and tares or the lost sheep are we literally wheat and tares or sheep? Or in Luke 16:24 if someone is burning in flames will someone who dips their finger in water cool a burning mans tongue?

Or perhaps here...


Revelation 6:9-11 is a vision in regards to the opening of the six seals, where does it say in this scripture that everything in it is literal? Is Revelation 6:2-8 talking about literal horses being unleashed on the world to cause havoc or events that are to take place on the world very quickly? If your interpretation of these scriptures is true and literal why do those dead souls that were slain only come alive at the opening of the fifth seal? You do know there is a book of remembrance *Malachi 3:16 this is what the fifth seal is referring to here in Johns vision. For example we can continue in the book of Revelation if you like. Is a great harlot running about on a seven headed beast with ten horns with her name written on her head according to Revelation 17:1-6? Is the devil really a dragon that ate a new born child according to Revelation 12:17? Does Jesus literally have a tongue that is a two edged sword *Revelation 1:16; Revelation 2:16; Revelation 19:15-21? You know we can go on and on here in the book of Revelation, so I hope you get the point.

Yes I believe this when does the resurrection of the dead (those who sleep in the graves) take place?

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
[13], But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14], For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15], For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16], For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17], Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18], Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

The resurrection of the dead takes place at the second coming...

1 Corinthians 15:51-55
[51], Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52], In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53], For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54], So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[55], O death, where is thy sting? O grave,6 where is thy victory?

Your scripture is talking about the resurrection that takes place at the second coming and does not support you interpretation that the dead are in heaven.

So which of the scriptures that you have provided here say we are resurrected and receive eternal life when we die? - Not one. As shown in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and in 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 we do not receive eternal life until the resurrection which is at the second coming.

Not really dear friend but allow me to explain why from the scriptures. How does the scriptures that teach death is like a sleep until the resurrection at the second coming where Gods' people receive eternal life take away our hope in Christ? - It doesn't. There is a lot of scripture provided already in the OP and on page one that disagrees with you here and we have just gone through all your scriptures to show they do not say what you are claiming they are saying so what do you have to support your teaching here? -Nothing. Let's go a little further as to help the discussion. Do you believe the words of Jesus?

Matthew 9:18; 23-24
[18], While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
[23], And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
[24], He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.

John 11:24
[11], These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
[12], Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
[13], Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
[14], Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
[15], And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
[16], Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
[17], ¶ Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
[18], Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
[19], And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
[20], Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
[21], Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
[22], But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
[23], Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
[24], Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Do you believe the very words of Jesus above?

Why would you think it is being rude to someone to say they need to do more research when I was referring to the Hebrew and Greek words meanings of Spirit and Soul? I said this as do not believe what I say look it up for yourself. Where you being rude by claiming I am sinning and my posts are rhetoric when all I have posted is scripture which are Gods' Words not my words and seeking to judge me for sharing God's Words which are not my words but God's? Both Matthew 7:1-5 and Romans 2:1-12 are good reading we should all consider.

Hope this is helpful.
I knew you would have an answer for everything I gave you, that's why I didn't bother to show you everything.
You are always right and everyone else is always wrong.
Don't deny it.
That's the way your thread is going.
Maybe someone else will want to read your extremely long posts continually, but I don't.
They have no substance except a very strong one sided view.
Your side.
We're through here.
No need to waste my time.

P.S. I also expect you to answer this so you can also have the last word.
I expect it of you.
 
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I knew you would have an answer for everything I gave you, that's why I didn't bother to show you everything.
You are always right and everyone else is always wrong.
Don't deny it.
That's the way your thread is going.
Maybe someone else will want to read your extremely long posts continually, but I don't.
They have no substance except a very strong one sided view.
Your side.
We're through here.
No need to waste my time.

P.S. I also expect you to answer this so you can also have the last word.
I expect it of you.

No problem thanks for the discussion OSAS and nice to meet you :wave:
 
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Are you literally dead with no consciousness when you leave this earth?

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Peter 3:18-20

Christ could not preach to those who had no consciousness
 
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Are you literally dead with no consciousness when you leave this earth?

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Peter 3:18-20

Christ could not preach to those who had no consciousness

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
 
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
So taking that verse as you do, how could Christ preach to those who had previously died?
 
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Thank you @SabbathBlessings for this one from Amazing Facts

Here are five reasons we can know that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is not meant to be taken literally.

The real message of this parable is often and unfortunately lost because people use it to try to prove something Jesus wasn’t even talking about. If you’d like to know the real meaning of this parable story, check out our resources below …

Something I was reading and thought I would share.
5 Reasons You Can Know 'The Rich Man and Lazarus' Is Not Literal | News | Amazing Facts

The five reasons aren’t compelling and the reason is because the reasons are nothing more than personal judgment call.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus comes at the end of a string of parables filled with symbolic, non-literal illustrations (see Luke 15)

So what? This is weak sauce man.

First, there’s precedent when Jesus is using a parable that it is announced as a parable. “And so He told them this parable.” Luke 15:3

Then, the use of the word “or” in verse 8 tells the read this is a parable in relation to verse 3, reading as the parable in verse 3 “or” the parable in verse 8.

The use of the word “and” in verse 11, by the very meaning of how “and” operates, shows verse 11 is connected to the parable of verses 3 and 8.

Then chapter 16 doesn’t begin with any wording of the words “and/or” connecting 15 parables to 16. It isn’t clear any of chapter 16 is a parable.

Verse 19 in chapter 16 is unlike the other “parables.” The other parables were of very much conditions and practices of the living. Yet, verse 19 is afterlife. If I recall correctly, all of Jesus other “parables” in the Gospels were set and took place in worldly settings and affairs, not the afterlife.

In addition, there’s no alerting language verse 19 is a parable. None.

2. It contains an impossible conversation.

Oh does it? I find it rather bizarre when people make the “impossible” argument against an interpretation or reading of Scripture that some event or occurrence is factual because it is “impossible.” Really?

Well, we can’t have that can we, I mean, the idea of God as man who walked around on earth for 33 years without sinning sounds so unimpossible. Nothing remarkable about that all, so unimpossible a cave man can do it. The idea of God dying as a man and doing something no other human being has experienced, coming back to life for eternity, is also unimpossible. A giant boat with a ton of animals surviving a worldly flood, people brought back from death by Jesus speaking mere words to do it, an 80 year old woman getting pregnant an everyday occurrence, etcetera.

The Bible is littered with “impossible” events and as a result, the notion this conversation is declared “impossible” is hardly some earth shattering logic to divert us all away from the idea it’s purported as a factual event. Unless of course we, in a logically consistent manner, carry your banner of “impossible” to all the other remarkable events in the Bible rightly characterized as “impossible.”

3. It uses clear symbolic imagery.

The fact you have to tell the reader it’s “clear” causes pause, since logically the clarity is to be found in the logic and facts. And if the logic and facts are sooo ineluctably point one conclusion, then no need to declare its clarity. The clarity is self-evident.

Let’s examine the substance of what you said.

The rich man wants Abraham to send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool his tongue (verse 24). This must be symbolic—because it can’t possibly happen physically. How much water could pass through the flames, and what help would it provide someone suffering in hell?

I love this logic. With this logic a beginner atheist has no difficulty negating, by your own words, the core belief of Christianity. It is “physically impossible” for dead people to come back to life after being dead for three days and never die again. This “impossibility” can be set next to all the other “impossiblities” in Scripture. Yes, the God of the Bible apparently isn’t the God of the “impossible” by human understanding. Who knew? Not the NT or Gospel writers, or the God of the Bible.

4. It uses figurative expressions. Do the people who died with faith in Christ find their rest in Abraham’s literal bosom? How big is Abraham’s bosom? This must be a figurative expression, for we know that angels will gather the saints at the second coming of Christ (see Matthew 24:30, 31).

It could be an idiom is used. The phrase “up in the air” can mean “undecided, and “we’re on the same page” is an idiom. The “rest In Abraham’s bosom” is an idiom for being in a place od rest where Abraham is also.Bosom of Abraham - Wikipedia

5. It would otherwise contradict the rest of Scripture. If this story were literal, it would be hard to explain why the Bible says “in death there is no remembrance” (Psalm 6:5). Instead, those who die are asleep in the grave awaiting resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:15, 16). The Bible compares death to sleep over 50 times. See one example by Jesus in John 11:11–14.

And yet we have dead people walking around with Jesus on top of a mountain, Paul stating death here, absent the body, to be present with the Lord, in the context of immediate physical presence as he was immediately physically present on earth.

And you are extrapolating too much theologically from the Psalms verse. The word “Sheol” referred to the grave itself when that psalm was written. The writer is literally stating their physical body isn’t going to be praising God. The second temple era, the word “Sheol” took on the meaning of the resting place for the wicked dead until judgment.
 
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So taking that verse as you do, how could Christ preach to those who had previously died?
He preached to all the dead in the actions of His resurrection from the dead. All in Christ will be resurrected at the second coming *1 Thessalonians 4:16, not literally as the scriptures teach "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
 
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