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Lol, thanks for breaking the 'subdivision of issues' approach, it was getting a bit out of hand!

Not quite. I believe that the greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing ppl that God doesn't exist. To do that, he needs to explain away all the self-evident proof of God in nature. So he uses rubbish theories like Darwinian evolution (it rained on a rock and a monkey was your grandpappy), and big bang cosmology (nothing exploded and created everything). Of course, folks love their sin enough that it's easy for them to seize on these patently ludicrous concepts and defend them to their dying breath because of the terror of the alternative.

So the devil sets up a 'world system' that rewards those who push and maintain the lie and scorns/ marginalises those who speak the truth.

The globe model only contradicts a tiny section of the bible, most Christians over look it in their focus on Jesus, same with evolution. You could make a reasonable argument to doubt current theories on the creation of the universe but you haven't.

People don't defend these concepts because of a "love for sin" or "fear of the alternative" (whatever that is) but because the math works out in them. Besides the "love for sin" would guide people to monetize any knowledge, including a flat earth and the magic moon. Meaning planes would fly different paths and countries wouldn't spend a ton of money building and launching rockets into the ocean for no reason. It's just not worth the effort.

Can't you see that now in the cult of covid?

You are hitting every conspiracy all at once, this is a common occurrence but it still surprises me. Many of the conspiracy theories contradict each other and the motivations for the supposed actors never make sense.

Now let me confirm your beliefs if I may.

Nothing exploded, created everything, it rained on a rock, something was born found a missus and had a baby, evolved into a monkey and you came about.

We live on a spinning ball hurtling through space at breakneck speeds with large bodies of water curving around its exterior by something called 'gravity', but nobody can ever isolate this gravity or detect these motions or curves and the air is velcroed to the ball with everything else, nothing is sucked or flies off into the vacuum of space and yet clouds, birds and bees fly happily around without noticing.

Your ignorance extends to ALL fields of science, fascinating.

And you think I'm crazy?

I only pointed out your beliefs. If you think that others would believe you crazy for the beliefs you hold then something might be off.
 
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The globe model only contradicts a tiny section of the bible, most Christians over look it in their focus on Jesus, same with evolution. You could make a reasonable argument to doubt current theories on the creation of the universe but you haven't.

Globe model contradicts every teaching throughout the Bible as to earth's physical nature, from Genesis to Revelation.

You inability to refute the arguments I've raised speaks louder than your protestations.

People don't defend these concepts because of a "love for sin" or "fear of the alternative" (whatever that is) but because the math works out in them.

Math doesn't work out, as per the earth curve calculator. Or are we ignoring that now?

Besides the "love for sin" would guide people to monetize any knowledge, i

Nasa getting paid $60M per day is just a coincidence then?

You are hitting every conspiracy all at once, this is a common occurrence but it still surprises me. Many of the conspiracy theories contradict each other and the motivations for the supposed actors never make sense.

My new word for the week is 'Pharmageddon'!

Your ignorance extends to ALL fields of science, fascinating.

Sure, explosions always result in beauty and order. Look, if you think I've misstated the essentials of the cult's belief system, by all means.

I only pointed out your beliefs. If you think that others would believe you crazy for the beliefs you hold then something might be off.

Shh, let's just keep spinning without anyone ever noticing.
 
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Globe model contradicts every teaching throughout the Bible as to earth's physical nature, from Genesis to Revelation.

Many Christians would disagree.

You inability to refute the arguments I've raised speaks louder than your protestations.

You have a magic moon and numerous other issues with your model including a vast global conspiracy to fabricate evidence against it. It's time to rethink the model.

Math doesn't work out, as per the earth curve calculator. Or are we ignoring that now?

Not sure what you are talking about but you are ignoring A LOT of stuff to hold on to your beliefs.

Nasa getting paid $60M per day is just a coincidence then?

That's low compared to the military.

My new word for the week is 'Pharmageddon'!

Pharmageddon: "A dystopian scenario wherein medicine and the pharmaceuticals industry have a net detrimental effect on human health and medical progress does more harm than good."

An admittedly fun word that points to valid concerns. Still, it's possible to be too cynical.

Sure, explosions always result in beauty and order. Look, if you think I've misstated the essentials of the cult's belief system, by all means.

What cult? People who understand basic physics?

Shh, let's just keep spinning without anyone ever noticing.

Yes, exactly.
 
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You have a magic moon
No, you have the magic moon, with an incanted spell 'Gravity' to give you some kind of comfort. But it doesn't work. What's freefall speed again?

It's time to rethink the model.

If my model was composed of >95% theoretical stuff, and was out by a factor of 1^120 (according to Michiu Kaku), I'd certainly be rethinking the paradigm.

Not sure what you are talking about but you are ignoring A LOT of stuff to hold on to your beliefs.

Math, spherical trigonometry, observer height, target distance. Until you can come up with a plausible globe earth explanation for why we're consistently 'seeing way too far', everything else is just bluster. Can we agree on that?

That's low compared to the military.

Probably because the military builds stuff that works, like planes and weapons guidance systems expressly designed on flat nonrotating earth assumptions.

Pharmageddon: "A dystopian scenario wherein medicine and the pharmaceuticals industry have a net detrimental effect on human health and medical progress does more harm than good."

An admittedly fun word that points to valid concerns. Still, it's possible to be too cynical.

Not if you're aware of the size of the spike in vaccine-related adverse reactions and deaths, or of the more sinister agenda that sits behind it - Mr Gates is more than happy to tell us in many forums about the depopulation and eugenics basis of it all. But I digress.

What cult? People who understand basic physics?

People who believe basic physics can account for theoretical spinning, orbiting and translating planet. Ever heard of the n-body problem. They still can't prove for three.

Yes, exactly.

Listen, free space has resistance and impedance. If the earth was moving through space we should be able to measure that. This has been tried in the Michelson Morley experiment, repeated thousands of times, and always with an insufficient result. Conclusion: earth is not moving in space. Now until you come up with some experimental or observational proof of motion, the rest is just theoretical mathemagic. Beam me up Scotty.
 
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It is hard to explain the working of perspective, to people who believe that they can see for millions, billions or trillions of miles.

I wonder can these people read a postage stamp from a mile away, that would seem possible for eyes that can see millions of miles.
 
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What people seem to not understand is this is how they see and not into infinity or billions of miles.


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What people seem to not understand is this is how they see and not into infinity or billions of miles.


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Now I suspect that's part of the occult of the pyramid/ triangle, it's about exploiting the 'hack' of perspective in the way we perceive depth, such that parallel lines appear to converge at the vanishing point. Many optical illusions, magic tricks and outright deceptions are built on this concept.
 
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I made this video as a way to edify Christians on God's creation but even more so to bring people to the knowledge and truth of Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible (message to do that at end of video) through pulling them in with the truth of flat earth.

What do you guys think of it?
Any criticism/critique/suggestions welcome.

Thank you, Austin
I don’t watch these kinds of videos. The flat earth theory is new to me. I honestly didn’t think anybody believed this today. I’m a fully fledged YEC, but flat earth is too much for me to believe. Sorry. :(
Im pretty positive that nasa footage of the moon landings are fake.
 
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I don’t watch these kinds of videos. The flat earth theory is new to me. I honestly didn’t think anybody believed this today. I’m a fully fledged YEC, but flat earth is too much for me to believe. Sorry. :(
Im pretty positive that nasa footage of the moon landings are fake.

It is an outrageous idea in our enlightened modern age. When I stumbled across geocentrism (ball earth stationary at the center of the cosmos) I thought it had to be a joke, but it led me to Christ (after much skepticism and research). God patiently leads the blind sheep as we meander through the fields, drawing us to Him by our taste for truth.

The simple facts are that every observation and experiment shows that the earth doesn't move or have the curvature predicted by the popular model.
 
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So christians really believe that a globe earth, is the earth God created and really believe this is how the New Jerusalem will look on this globe earth. And they think christian who believe in a God created flat earth are wrong. Something is amiss in modern christianity.

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Rockets have been developed for warfare, and not to put people in and shoot them into (so called ) outer space.

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Here is what happens when a person actually gets into a rocket.
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Death of rocket man ‘Mad Mike’ Hughes
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Wow. I didn't know there was a conspiracy sub forum.

So how come the moon is upside down in Sydney as compared to the one you see?
 
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Wow. I didn't know there was a conspiracy sub forum.

So how come the moon is upside down in Sydney as compared to the one you see?

oh yea its full of conspiracies


My belief is the moon is a convex disc, that is facing the earth. so as you are on one side of the equator and i am on the other side as the moon moves over the earth you are viewing from a different position.

Here is a quick sketch of basically what i believe we are seeing. excuse the poor drawing, i could have taken more time but hope this simple example will suffice
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oh yea its full of conspiracies


My belief is the moon is a convex disc, that is facing the earth. so as you are on one side of the equator and i am on the other side as the moon moves over the earth you are viewing from a different position.

Here is a quick sketch of basically what i believe we are seeing. excuse the poor drawing, i could have taken more time but hope this simple example will suffice

Well, it definitely solves the problem...
 
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Have you read Genesis 1? "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Notice that "heavens" is plural. This conflicts with your "signature", that reads in part "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that God created a universe/outer space. Where the sun, moon, stars, are located thousand and millions of miles away. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that God created planets. Only heaven, earth, the sun, moon and stars (host of heaven) is stated as being Gods creation."

Read Genesis a little better, if you will notice the sun, moon and stars are placed in the raqia (the first heaven, where the birds fly Genesis 1:20) Psalms 19 also states the raqia shows God's handiwork
 
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What people seem to not understand is this is how they see and not into infinity or billions of miles.


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Hi d taylor,

Nice to meet you!

You got my attention from your post 29 over here.
The siege on creation

I have questions I want to ask a reasonable flat earth person, so I'm hoping we can have an edifying discussion here.

I'm glad you talk about seeing here, because that's one of the things I wanted to ask about.

I live in the Northeast usa, and I have some Christian friends in Indonesia. When it's the middle of the day for me, it's the middle of the night for them.

How can that be? Shouldn't we see the sun everywhere, just in different parts of the sky?
 
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Hi d taylor,

Nice to meet you!

You got my attention from your post 29 over here.
The siege on creation

I have questions I want to ask a reasonable flat earth person, so I'm hoping we can have an edifying discussion here.

I'm glad you talk about seeing here, because that's one of the things I wanted to ask about.

I live in the Northeast usa, and I have some Christian friends in Indonesia. When it's the middle of the day for me, it's the middle of the night for them.

How can that be? Shouldn't we see the sun everywhere, just in different parts of the sky?
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Yes nice to meet in a online way.

No objects just simply go out of our ability to see them. The sky falls as the land rises, as the father out we see, till they meet in our vision. But of course we know they actually never meet.

So if the sky and land meet the sun, moon and stars will follow in the same way. Being that they are place, as the Bible states in the raqia above the earth. The sun is a limited source of light meaning that it was created by God just to light a certain part of the earth at a time. So there will be day and night.

My only guess as to the height of the sun, moon and stars are that they are higher than 1500 miles. Being that if the New Earth is the same size as our current earth. Then the New Jerusalem, being that it is 1500 miles high, then the sun, etc would have to higher than the New Jerusalem, so as not to run into it.
 
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Yes nice to meet in a online way.

No objects just simply go out of our ability to see them. The sky falls as the land rises, as the father out we see, till they meet in our vision. But of course we know they actually never meet.

So if the sky and land meet the sun, moon and stars will follow in the same way. Being that they are place, as the Bible states in the raqia above the earth. The sun is a limited source of light meaning that it was created by God just to light a certain part of the earth at a time. So there will be day and night.

My only guess as to the height of the sun, moon and stars are that they are higher than 1500 miles. Being that if the New Earth is the same size as our current earth. Then the New Jerusalem, being that it is 1500 miles high, then the sun, etc would have to higher than the New Jerusalem, so as not to run into it.
I see. So the Sun doesn't go under the earth, it goes around in a circle in the sky above the Earth.

I was trying to figure out if we could calculate the height of the Sun using triangles and shadows, but I realized it would be good to have a map of a flat Earth so we could estimate the distances.

Do you have one you like to use? I found this one
Ezekiel38Rapture: Detailed flat earth map
 
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I see. So the Sun doesn't go under the earth, it goes around in a circle in the sky above the Earth.

I was trying to figure out if we could calculate the height of the Sun using triangles and shadows, but I realized it would be good to have a map of a flat Earth so we could estimate the distances.

Do you have one you like to use? I found this one
Ezekiel38Rapture: Detailed flat earth map

Well that i can not positive say, that it does not.
I have seen a few models that people have constructed where the sun goes under their model, then quickly moves to to start its travel over the earth, But as of now i do not believe the sun functions in that way.

In Kings dethroned, Hickson goes over The triangulation method for measuring distances. i have never tried it, looks like it would require working with people, several thousands of miles apart (like some one on the east coast working with a person on the west coast).
https://www.amazon.com/Kings-dethroned-Hickson-Gerrard/dp/B01FA690L8

As for a map i just have no idea as to the exact position of the land masses (and in a way the exact size/shape) and how they are in relation to each other. There is this popular one.

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