After Supreme Court Victory, Colorado Baker Back in Court for Declining Gender Transition Cake

[Direct Driver]

Should black people have to contact business ahead of time to see if they would be welcomed or even safe if they were to go to that storefront?

Nobody should have to do that. We all do a lot of things we shouldn't have to do. Some of it has to do with race, and some has to do with other metrics.

I think what you are bringing up is something you dug up from history or some modern red herring. I've never lived anywhere where someone needed to do that. And I've lived in quite a few states.

 

[SilverBear]

I've entered a parallel dimension. He died of a drug overdose. You need to broaden your news sources. Stop trusting these guys: Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

Check out this: New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system | kare11.com

And this gets to why the officers will walk: Officer charged in George Floyd's death argues drug overdose killed him, not knee on neck

Problem is, they were doing exactly what police procedure required. Unfortunately, it can be dangerous if someone is already dying of a drug overdose. But by all means, let us see what the Jury says. FWIW, because I got my news from non-MSM sources, the Zimmerman trial went EXACTLY like I expected. Only those baited by the MSM were surprised.

and what did the medical examiners put on the death certificate for cause of death? Homicide

 

[Direct Driver]

the equal protection clause of the constitution

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall..."

A bakery is not a state. Businesses and individuals can do all sorts of things the government cannot. In fact, the bill of rights and amendments are about our god given rights that THE GOVERNMENT can not take away. Not rights that private citizens can't take away. Private citizens can not force you by law and guns. Government can, so it is more constrained. And constrained by the constitution. And those private citizens are ALSO protected by that same constitution and bill of rights.

 

[Direct Driver]

and what did the medical examiners put on the death certificate for cause of death? Homicide

Yes. Let us see how it goes in court.

 

[SilverBear]

That is certainly one way of looking at it.

yes, the honest way

 

[Direct Driver]

the equal protection clause of the constitution

So engage in an activity he does every day as part of the job he chose to peruse is now slavery?

What bull.

It isn't about baking a cake it's about his choice to engage in discrimination. His right to be a bigot ends when it infringes on the rights of others...something you agree with.

When forced to do a thing, it is slavery. Even if it is something you do for a living. And refusing to do something for someone else is not infringing on their rights with one - and only one - exception: You are the only "game" in town. This is so simple. People forget that the baker has the same rights as everybody else.

 

[Direct Driver]

yes, the honest way

Opinions vary.

 

[SilverBear]

Simply having to bake a cake celebrating something you consider to be abhorrent to your God is not something a person should be forced to do. It's really pretty simple.

Frankly, anyone who disagrees with that statement has little in common with my world view. They are certainly not a part of my subculture. They are also not on the moral high ground. If you don't like the way someone does their business, do not use their business. That's what I do all the time because, at the end of the day, I respect their right to choose how to do their business.

It's a shame more on the left don't feel that way.

Should black people have to contact business ahead of time to see if they would be welcomed or even safe if they were to go to that storefront?

 

[Direct Driver]

in the 80's the Christian organization the Family research institute proposed massive interment camps for homosexuals where gays and lesbians would be systematically killed. Part of the proposal was the selling of tickets for the public to observe the torture, mutilation and killings of gays. there was an extensive section on how extra money could be raised by letting the general public do the killing themselves, for a modest fee. Ref: Special Report:AIDS by Paul Cameron published in 1986

And Timothy McVeigh blew up a building. There are nuts everywhere. They don't represent the general population and this group, if that is what they really believed (I've not bothered to research it) were 180 degrees from the plain teaching of the God they claim to worship. I can't do much about that.

And the constitution protects their right to adhere to proposing such nuttery.

 

[Direct Driver]

Should black people have to contact business ahead of time to see if they would be welcomed or even safe if they were to go to that storefront?

You already posted that. I responded in post 161.

 

[SilverBear]

Opinions vary.

truth doesn't

 

[SilverBear]

Nobody should have to do that.

you think gay people should

 

[Dorothy Mae]

how does he feel about making cakes for interracial "unions"

I would assume he’d have no problem with it.

 

[SilverBear]

And Timothy McVeigh blew up a building. There are nuts everywhere. They don't represent the general population and this group, if that is what they really believed (I've not bothered to research it) were 180 degrees from the plain teaching of the God they claim to worship. I can't do much about that.

And the constitution protects their right to adhere to proposing such nuttery.

you said: "I don't believe that was ever a thing outside of Socialist, Communist or Muslim countries."

it exists here and it's isn't some lone nutjob

NC pastor wants to isolate gays, lesbians until they "die out"

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[SilverBear]

I would assume he’d have no problem with it.

why would you assume that?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

why would you assume that?

The cakes they refused to bake were for people engaging in what a Christian can feel uncomfortable supporting. Interracial marriage is actually in the Bible. There are no racial boundaries for Christians. Skin is only on the outside.

 

[SilverBear]

The cakes they refused to bake were for people engaging in what a Christian can feel uncomfortable supporting.

Christians opposed interracial marriage on religious grounds for generations.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Christians opposed interracial marriage on religious grounds for generations.

Religious? I guess. Jesus said people would even murder others for religious reasons but that doesn’t make it right to God. So Biblical racism for Christians? Not at all.

 

[rjs330]

the equal protection clause of the constitution

So engage in an activity he does every day as part of the job he chose to peruse is now slavery?

What bull.

It isn't about baking a cake it's about his choice to engage in discrimination. His right to be a bigot ends when it infringes on the rights of others...something you agree with.

The equal protection clause protects religious views ad well. You are requiring someone with firmly held practice of a religion to be subservient to another protected class. All classes are protected from discrimination. And you are requiring one protected class to be a servent of another. It's the LHTBQ community that is discriminating against this baker. Because they do not have to go there and force him to violate his religious beliefs. These things violate the first amendment. The free exercise of his religion is being limited. The trans person could go anywhere and get a cake. But he deliberately chose to violate this person's religious freedoms.

 

[rjs330]

you said: "I don't believe that was ever a thing outside of Socialist, Communist or Muslim countries."

it exists here and it's isn't some lone nutjob

NC pastor wants to isolate gays, lesbians until they "die out"

Pastor Calls For Execution Of LGBTQ People

Pastor Kevin Swanson Calls For Executing Gays At Event Attended By GOP Candidates

Gays Deserve Stoning

Preacher Gives Shockingly Repulsive Sermon: ‘Orlando Is A Little Safer’

Curtis Knapp, Kansas Pastor Who Said Government Should Kill Gays, Defends Statements

These are not mainstream and NOT supported by the government. The difference is that communism, socialist and muslim countries are governments run by those groups. These isolates preachers are certainly not running the government and are not the mainstream beliefs.

We could certainly show you a lot of leftists that proclaim just as radical of stuff. Would that be cause to make some sort of claim that its some sort of mainstream thought? I doubt you would like that. Remember the calls for conservatives to be rounded up and put in reeducation camps? Did you support that?