After Supreme Court Victory, Colorado Baker Back in Court for Declining Gender Transition Cake

[Nine of Spades]

its discrimination no matter how its justified

Are you implying that if a Christian baker refuses to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to the fact that it violates his religious beliefs (see Leviticus 18:22), he should be arrested and subject to criminal prosecution and possibly spend time in jail? It sounds like you’re promoting a totalitarian form of government much like North Korea.

 

[SilverBear]

Are you implying that if a Christian baker refuses to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to the fact that it violates his religious beliefs (see Leviticus 18:22), he should be arrested and subject to criminal prosecution and possibly spend time in jail? It sounds like you’re promoting a totalitarian form of government much like North Korea.

What should happen to a Christian baker who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a Jewish couple claiming doing so would violate his religious beliefs?

 

[Nine of Spades]

What should happen to a Christian baker who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a Jewish couple claiming doing so would violate his religious beliefs?

Nice try, but a Christian baker who bakes a Jewish cake for a Jewish couple isn't violating any precepts of Christianity.

 

[SilverBear]

Nice try, but a Christian baker who bakes a Jewish cake for a Jewish couple isn't violating any precepts of Christianity.

neither does baking a cake for a same sex couple yet the OP baker claims it to be so just as the hypothetical baker refusing the Jewish couple claims it is against his religion. So again my question: What should happen to a Christian baker who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a Jewish couple claiming doing so would violate his religious beliefs?

 

[Nine of Spades]

neither does baking a cake for a same sex couple yet the OP baker claims it to be so just as the hypothetical baker refusing the Jewish couple claims it is against his religion. So again my question: What should happen to a Christian baker who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a Jewish couple claiming doing so would violate his religious beliefs?

Have you not read Leviticus 18:22? Or have you read it, yet find silly ways to explain it away? For a Christian baker to bake a gay cake for an LGBT couple preparing to get married would be a blatant violation not just of his religious beliefs, but of his First Amendment rights as well.

If a neo-Nazi owns a bake shop and refuses to bake a wedding cake for a Jewish couple because it violates his National Socialist beliefs, the two Jews should walk out of the store and find a different baker who isn't hostile towards them.

 

[SilverBear]

Have you not read Leviticus 18:22? Or have you read it, yet find silly ways to explain it away? For a Christian baker to bake a gay cake for an LGBT couple preparing to get married would be a blatant violation not just of his religious beliefs, but of his First Amendment rights as well.

Just as the hypothetical baker would feel it a violation of his religious beliefs to to bake a cake for a non-Christian couple.

Again: What do you think should happen to the baker who refuses to serve non-Christians?

If a neo-Nazi owns a bake shop and refuses to bake a wedding cake for a Jewish couple because it violates his National Socialist beliefs, the two Jews should walk out of the store and find a different baker who isn't hostile towards them.

Why should they have to?


What exactly is a gay cake?

 

[Nine of Spades]

Just as the hypothetical baker would feel it a violation of his religious beliefs to to bake a cake for a non-Christian couple.

Again: What do you think should happen to the baker who refuses to serve non-Christians?


Why should they have to?


What exactly is a gay cake?

Nothing should happen to bakers who refuse to serve non-Christians. They can always find another baker who isn't hostile towards them.

By the way, why do you feel the need to nitpick at my harmless typing errors? Cakes are incapable of sexual activity with other cakes, and cakes can be neither male nor female. You already knew I meant gay-themed cake.

 

[SilverBear]

Nothing should happen to bakers who refuse to serve non-Christians. They can always find another baker who isn't hostile towards them.

something usually happens when you break the law.

By the way, why do you feel the need to nitpick at my harmless typing errors? Cakes are incapable of sexual activity with other cakes, and cakes can be neither male nor female. You already knew I meant gay-themed cake.

so...which one is the gay themed cake?

 

[Nine of Spades]

something usually happens when you break the law.




so...which one is the gay themed cake?

If gays are so concerned about it, they can always conceal their homosexuality and ask for a cake that way.

 

[SilverBear]

If gays are so concerned about it, they can always conceal their homosexuality and ask for a cake that way.

why should they have to?

 

[Nine of Spades]

why should they have to?

To avoid any potential refusal of service. Best they keep it in the closet when asking for a wedding cake, otherwise they're asking for scandal.

 

[SilverBear]

To avoid any potential refusal of service. Best they keep it in the closet when asking for a wedding cake, otherwise they're asking for scandal.

and black people can avoid racism by wearing a lot of makeup

 

[Nine of Spades]

and black people can avoid racism by wearing a lot of makeup

Why do you feel the need to inject race into a discussion about homosexuals wanting wedding cakes from bakers who don't want to endorse or enable sinful conduct?

 

[Aldebaran]

why should they have to?

What would be the point of telling the baker that they're gay?

 

[SilverBear]

Why do you feel the need to inject race into a discussion about homosexuals wanting wedding cakes from bakers who don't want to endorse or enable sinful conduct?

because the analogy between discrimination based racism and the discrimination based on homophobia is incredibly spot on.

Here it highlights that sad idea a minority should have to hide who they are to avoid discrimination. The minority is not the one with the problem, the problem lies with those who discriminate

 

[SilverBear]

What would be the point of telling the baker that they're gay?

In the case of masterpiece bakery, the owner asked.

Are you suggesting they should have lied and tried to hide?

Bringing it back to the question: Why should they have to?

 

[Aldebaran]

In the case of masterpiece bakery, the owner asked.

Are you suggesting they should have lied and tried to hide?

Bringing it back to the question: Why should they have to?

He asked? Are you sure? I looked through the contents in the OP link and found nothing indicating that. But here is part of what I did find:

"Scardina had some involvement with the cakeshop controversy as far back as 2012, emailing the bakery to call him a bigot and a hypocrite for declining to bake the same-sex cake. The same year, Scardina contacted the Colorado commission offering to serve as a complainant if the same-sex couple did not proceed with their complaint.

Scardina said that by 2017 she had forgotten her anger over the same-sex wedding cake, Courthouse News Service has reported.

In June 2017, the day the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear Phillips’ previous case, Scardina contacted Masterpiece Cakes and requested a cake with a pink and blue design to celebrate a gender transition. The bakery declined the order from Scardina, setting in motion another legal and political dispute.

Three months after winning the Supreme Court case, Phillips faced a legal complaint from Scardina. In the following year, Phillips’ cakeshop received multiple requests for cakes celebrating Satan, using satanic symbols, requesting sexually explicit content, or promoting marijuana use, Alliance Defending Freedom’s case briefing said. Scardina had requested at least one of these satanic-themed cakes, according to the brief.

 

[SilverBear]

He asked? Are you sure?

Court transripts

 

[Aldebaran]

Court transripts

Show us.

 

[Nine of Spades]

Court transripts

Show proof of transcripts or it didn't happen.