Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[civilwarbuff]

Because I think if Gentile Christians are supposed to obey the Law given by God through Moses, they should know the entire Law and not single out only one point of it. I think they should see what they are up against in keeping the Law given by God through Moses.

I had to break it up into segments because the system couldn't handle all of them in one post.

We should thank God daily for the sacrifice of Jesus which relieves us of many of those laws.

 

[Servus]

There are 1,050 New Testament Commands

https://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201407/r1308729_17984331.pdf

 

[Leaf473]

I'm curious: how were you edified?

Well, I think there's a proverb that talks about as iron sharpens iron, so a persons thinking is sharpened by their friend.

I think this applies to Christians interacting as well. We are sharpened, edified, when interacting with other Christians, even those we disagree with. Sometimes especially those earnest Christians that we disagree with the most strongly.

 

[pescador]

There are 1,050 New Testament Commands

https://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201407/r1308729_17984331.pdf

Christians are under grace not under law. We are governed by the Holy Spirit, not by written commands. That is the difference between the two covenants.

 

[Servus]

Christians are under grace not under law. We are governed by the Holy Spirit, not by written commands. That is the difference between the two covenants.

Absolutely. What I wanted to emphasize is that the New Testament is hardly bereft of commands for us to follow; out of love for our Lord.

 

[Religiot]

As I'm sure you know there are a lot of commands in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that neither of us obey and many we don't even understand the meaning of such as:

76. To say the Shema twice daily—Deuteronomy 6:7
81. To put a Mezuzah on each door post—Deuteronomy 6:9

At least I don't know what those mean. Are we Christians supposed to obey those and others such as 118. To take up a Lulav and Etrog all seven days of Sukkot—Leviticus 23:40 without question?
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Well, let's take a look at it, to see what it means:

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates." --Deuteronomy 6:4-9

First things first: if you don't have kids, you can't teach it to them, nor could you write it on your door posts without a house, etc.

Secondly, to put them in your heart, and on your hand, and between your eyes, is not referring to something that is done physically, but spiritually.

Concerning praying and talking about them, I do it more than what it says to: does that mean I'm breaking the law, by doing it more than it says? of course not: the prescription plainly means, that we are to be filled with His word, in all aspects of our lives, thus it will flow from us, in all that we do.

For example, if you have a house, you should put it on the door posts, and gate posts, and decorate your house with His words, as many people enjoy to do today. But if you prefer to decorate your house with worldly idolatry, and perversion, and vanity, instead of wholesome reminders of His word, then know for yourself, that what is within you, and what you are drawn to, is not His word, but the world.

Take me, for example, I love portraits of Noah's Ark, and the scriptures printed on them, reminding me of God's salvation, and the beauty of His creation: those kinds of things I love now because I love God; but before, I preferred pornography and violence, and many kinds of fantasy, especially in movies, because I loved the excitement and delusion of pleasure, and the detachment from reality it provided; but now I hate those things, because now I can see them for what they are, sorcery and vanity.

Christians fulfill the righteousness of the law, because we do it from the love we have for God, not by some external motivation, such as being stoned to death.

Me, and others like me, are the proof today, against the old covenant, for we do what is right by our new conscience toward God; not by the cost of some animals life, nor by the fear of stoning, but solely by the love of God; thus the law is perfected in us.

When once a Jew would behave for fear of having to pay the price, whether it be in the form of one of his animals, or money, or his own life, now, by the New Covenant, he is motivated solely by what is right, by the life of Christ, Who already paid the price, once, for all our lives--if this doesn't engender love in a man toward God, then nothing will.

Concerning Leviticus, and the feasts (I'm going to get in trouble with some for saying this): I don't think they are required, but I do think they benefit us.

--I must be clear, that I am fundamentally speaking from ignorance concerning this, and coincidentally, that, in it of itself, is another reason why I don't think they are required: not because I've rejected the knowledge concerning the feasts, but because I just don't have it, yet I am Christian indeed; therefore, I have concluded that they are not required for salvation, BUT AND IF, someone would show me that they are, then I would immediately, repent to keeping them, and adopt them into my life, straightaway, period.

Think of it, people love the so called 'holidays' of the world, but what about the holy days of God? --I'm suspicious of that also.

 

[Religiot]

Well, I think there's a proverb that talks about as iron sharpens iron, so a persons thinking is sharpened by their friend.

I think this applies to Christians interacting as well. We are sharpened, edified, when interacting with other Christians, even those we disagree with. Sometimes especially those earnest Christians that we disagree with the most strongly.

By the question I meant to discover what did you actually gain from our conversation, that is, how did it benefit you? what did it add to your building?

 

[Religiot]

Where was this given to Noah? Marriage isn't exclusive to the Hebrews, the Mosaic laws where.



But you avoided the main point of what I posted. Christ's words of being the fulfillment of the Law was in reference to the Mosaic laws only. It was fulfilled because God's revelation and relationship with man was no longer focused on the Hebrews, it would be every nation and in every nation those Hebrew laws would not apply because they are called gentiles.


I would like you to research on the Gentiles, and then come back and tell me what were the differences between them and the Jews in regards to religious beliefs?

Noah isn't Hebrew.

You're confusing the old covenant with God's laws: God's laws are not the old covenant, but the old covenant is comprised of God's laws.

Please simply read my other posts on this thread: by doing so, you will find, that I'm not confused about Gentiles, nor Hebrews, nor God's people, but you are.

 

[Religiot]

Actually, obeying God without reference to the OT commandments is much harder. Lord Jesus made that clear during the Sermon on the Mount. If you go by that, even a wrong attitude gets you in trouble. You can hate someone and not say a word and no one will know. God says, "You just murdered that person". No court would convict you, but for sure God sees it.

The only way that we can please God is to walk in the Spirit. He will lead us in the way that God requires and even better, empower us to obey.

A simple example. I used to give money to the homeless, sometimes a lot. Now I am much more inclined to give food. The Lord showed me that too often, the money simply worsened the situation because it went on drugs or alcohol. At least food helps to keep that person alive.

DISREGARD--I HIT THE WRONG BUTTONS, LOL (WILL RESPOND THO)

 

[Religiot]

Actually, obeying God without reference to the OT commandments is much harder. Lord Jesus made that clear during the Sermon on the Mount. If you go by that, even a wrong attitude gets you in trouble. You can hate someone and not say a word and no one will know. God says, "You just murdered that person". No court would convict you, but for sure God sees it.

Yes, I know.

The only way that we can please God is to walk in the Spirit. He will lead us in the way that God requires and even better, empower us to obey.

How do we do that?

A simple example. I used to give money to the homeless, sometimes a lot. Now I am much more inclined to give food. The Lord showed me that too often, the money simply worsened the situation because it went on drugs or alcohol. At least food helps to keep that person alive.

Yes, I understand: discernment is required in these situations, especially here in the states, where scamming abounds, and entitlement rules--where you may even get threatened by the homeless for not giving them money: we're in trouble over here.

 

[Religiot]

Hebrew, any member of an ancient northern Semitic people that were the ancestors of the Jews. Biblical scholars use the term Hebrews to designate the descendants of the patriarchs of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)—i.e., Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (also called Israel [Genesis 33:28])—from that period until their conquest of Canaan (Palestine) in the late 2nd millennium bce.
Hebrew | people
Jew, Hebrew Yĕhūdhī or Yehudi, any person whose religion is Judaism. In the broader sense of the term, a Jew is any person belonging to the worldwide group that constitutes, through descent or conversion, a continuation of the ancient Jewish people, who were themselves descendants of the Hebrews of the Bible (Old Testament).
Jew | History, Beliefs, & Facts
The first person to be called a Hebrew was Abraham,1 and the name commonly refers to his descendants, known as the Jewish people.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/800868/jewish/Who-Are-the-Hebrews.htm

That only serves to prove my point, extensively. ...

Right, so that is why God told Peter to kill and eat....He gave the OK on cannabalism...

Now you're just scoffing.

Using selected readings a person can debunk anything......I can bring up just as many sources saying my position is accurate. So, you believe what you want.....

No, you're wrong about that too: by using selected readings a person can twist anything--debunking requires proving completely, twisting just requires citing partially.

--I strongly recommend that you actually read my other posts on this thread, before deciding whether or not I'm twisting the truth to suit my own beliefs.

 

[pescador]

Yes, I know.



How do we do that?



Yes, I understand: discernment is required in these situations, especially here in the states, where scamming abounds, and entitlement rules--where you may even get threatened by the homeless for not giving them money: we're in trouble over here.

I have given money to "the homeless" many, many times and have never, ever been threatened by them. Instead I have invariably been profusely thanked for my kindness and generosity.

I'm not sure where you live but where I live scamming does not abound and entitlement does not rule. Even if either were true does that justify disobeying the Lord who said that it is more blessed to give than receive?

Acts 20:35, "By all these things, I have shown you that by working in this way we must help the weak, and remember the words of the Lord Jesus that he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

BTW, your post has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Leaf473]

By the question I meant to discover what did you actually gain from our conversation, that is, how did it benefit you? what did it add to your building?

I think it was the mental exercise of trying to figure out how you got from nothing coming in from the outside can make a person unclean to pork coming in from the outside will, in practice, make a person unclean. And then deciding if I agreed with your train of thought or not.

 

[Jipsah]

Ask your doctor.

I asked her last night. She was eating pork tacos at the time. She said it was fine.

 

[Religiot]

I have given money to "the homeless" many, many times and have never, ever been threatened by them. Instead I have invariably been profusely thanked for my kindness and generosity.

I'm not sure where you live but where I live scamming does not abound and entitlement does not rule. Even if either were true does that justify disobeying the Lord who said that it is more blessed to give than receive?

Acts 20:35, "By all these things, I have shown you that by working in this way we must help the weak, and remember the words of the Lord Jesus that he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

BTW, your post has nothing to do with the OP.

I refrained from exposing my involvement with the homeless, for keeping it a secret, to my benefit, but because I am here, essentially anonymous, I feel it's worth it, for your sake, to expose just a little: I give, without restraint, usually causing the recipient to doubt if whether or not what is happening is real.

Your comment only leads me to believe that your experience with the homeless is limited, or perhaps rural: in the city, however, where I am, there is a mix, of both the genuinely needed and, the criminally violent--hard to tell, even after a while.

Most often, after conversing with some, I discovered that many would rather beg than work, because they made more money begging--a sobering thing to discover, I assure you.

I will, however, continue to give, as my Lord commands, and continue to build my treasure in His Kingdom. Amen.

PS: All of my posts here, do follow from the original post--take the time to read through them, and you will see.

 

[Jipsah]

Well, it didn’t start just from bats.
It started from how the wet markets kept the living and dead animals.

Well of course it did! I mean, it couldn't possibly have come from the virus lab down the street from the "wet market". What a silly idea. It was just one of those strange coincidences. Yeahm that's it.

The key takeaway here is not that they were eating bats. It was the unsanitary conditions of the wet market that caused the outbreak.

Right. No worries about the place where there were experimenting with corona viruses. I mean, there's no way that a lab worker could have been accidentally contaminated, and then maybe failed to inform his superiors, and maybe skated on a little decontamination protocols because he didn't need the drama, or the risk of losing his job. Not a chance. It was just some pangolins for sale down at the market. Yeah, that's it.

 

[Religiot]

I think it was the mental exercise of trying to figure out how you got from nothing coming in from the outside can make a person unclean to pork coming in from the outside will, in practice, make a person unclean. And then deciding if I agreed with your train of thought or not.

You've greatly misunderstood me.

See if you can understand this:
1.) Marital relations are good, because they are sanctioned by God

2.) Adultery is bad, because it is condemned by God

3.) Fornication is bad, because it is condemned by God

All are sexual relations, but only one is right; some are against the body, but only one is for the body.

Seeing as they are all sex, can you tell me why only one is right and the others are not?

Also, if you would, please explain to me why it would be wrong to eat human flesh, assuming it's served up legally.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Jipsah]

God says don't eat swine: are you still gonna do it?

13And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat. 14But Peter said: Far be it from me; for I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean. 15And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common.

And He wasn't telling St. Peter to kill and eat gentiles.

 

[Jipsah]

A simple search proves that eating habits infect pigs. Hygiene is also a factor.

God said nothing about hygiene. He declared pigs unclean on the same basis that He did squirrels, which are very clean in comparison.

And I rest my case.

About time.

 

[Jipsah]

Where are chickens mentioned in Leviticus?

Shoulda been. Nasty critters. Carry salmonella, eat anything, stink to high heaven. Oughtta be a law.