Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[SamanthaAnastasia]

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork. In fact, Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly state a lot of things that we don’t adhere to.

13:6 through18: We’re instructed to kill without mercy -even your own family members- anyone who tries to convince you to worship other gods.

17:2 through 13: Kill anyone who does evil-such as worshipping the stars- and violates the covenant. And if you’re not sure if the party is guilty, take it to court and if the Judge finds the party guilty and you refuse take part in stoning the defendant to death, then you should be killed too.

21:18: Kill your own son if he is rebellious.

Thou shalt not kill, but Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Exodus is full of examples like this where we are to kill people for sinning. What about “as we forgive those who trespass against us”? I seem to have made executing people the theme here, but there are instructions/laws on other topics as well that we don’t follow, I’m assuming because they just don’t seem consistent with our faith.

So why is it OK to have a pork Bratwurst at the church fundraising event these days when God clearly forbids it?

You could argue that things were different back then and don’t apply today. But that would nullify the Ten Commandments. These laws I’m referring to were issued on the same day. They just didn’t make the top ten list.

I like that you said how everything else didn’t make the top ten list.
But I’m pretty sure we’re only supposed to keep the top ten list that was issued that day, nothing else.
Also, most Christians are gentiles so the rest of that list isn’t for us. They’re for the Israelites.

 

[Davy]

The wording in the Greek can be understood two ways...

"Created to be received with thanks" can refer to all foods not just supposed 'clean' foods.

Rom 14:20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean...

You've taken that verse out of its context in that Chapter. The subject there is for us to not destroy each other over the meat subject. That I don't do, because I never said it was a sin to eat pork. I only showed it's not as healthy as God's clean meat list. I never said eating pork would affect one's Salvation in Christ. Instead, I showed how Paul showed we have the liberty to eat whatever. But the fact that scavenger meat is still unhealthy to our flesh that did not change.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You've taken that verse out of its context in that Chapter. The subject there is for us to not destroy each other over the meat subject. That I don't do, because I never said it was a sin to eat pork. I only showed it's not as healthy as God's clean meat list. I never said eating pork would affect one's Salvation in Christ. Instead, I showed how Paul showed we have the liberty to eat whatever. But the fact that scavenger meat is still unhealthy to our flesh that did not change.

If what you are claiming is correct, can you site evidence that eating pork is harming the population?

 

[prodromos]

Well then, it seems I've misunderstood you: where would you like to start?

You tell me. You are the one who said I misunderstood you.

 

[Servus]

Pigs are scavengers God designed to process poisons, to cleanse the earth, just as with all scavengers on God's unclean meat list. It doesn't take a lot of common sense to understand that what scavengers eat, that is what is absorbed in their bodies, and that also is what you're eating. Likewise with animals that eat grains, that is what is absorbed in their bodies that we are eating. And what was the danger of eating cows with the Mad Cow disease?

While pigs are scavengers by nature, ones bread for food only have access to what pig farmers feed them. So I'm not sure how unclean they are based on what they eat. When I looked it up I got a blurb saying: "Farmers feed pigs a high-quality, grain-based diet consisting mainly of crops such as barley, wheat and corn, which provide pigs with energy, and soybeans and canola meal for protein. Farmers add vitamins and minerals to the feed of newly-weaned pigs for optimum nutrition."

That said, even though I like it, I know that bacon is not a health food.

 

[prodromos]

Pigs are scavengers God designed to process poisons, to cleanse the earth, just as with all scavengers on God's unclean meat list.

All the pig farms I know of give proper feed to their pigs. They don't feed them waste so there is no issue with eating pork in most developed countries.

 

[Religiot]

You tell me. You are the one who said I misunderstood you.

Aahhh, there it is, the circle: it's inescapable once entered.

I'm not interested.

I'm here to promote obedience to the Lord--the Jewish Lord, that is.

By your admissions, my promotion is not for you, so the reason you're talking to me, cannot be, more than heckling, therefore, I will respond in kind.

 

[Davy]

All the pig farms I know of give proper feed to their pigs. They don't feed them waste so there is no issue with eating pork in most developed countries.

That's funny, since a pig is a scavenger God designed to cleanse the earth of impurities. Good quality feed doesn't change a scavenger from the purpose God designed it for.

 

[Davy]

If what you are claiming is correct, can you site evidence that eating pork is harming the population?

Ask your doctor.

 

[Servus]

That's funny, since a pig is a scavenger God designed to cleanse the earth of impurities. Good quality feed doesn't change a scavenger from the purpose God designed it for.

No but it does mean they are eating the same type of feed as cattle and sheep, rather than scavenging. Wild pigs are another story.

 

[1an]

All the pig farms I know of give proper feed to their pigs. They don't feed them waste so there is no issue with eating pork in most developed countries.

Pigs do not eat human excrement now, they are kept in stays, perhaps they eat poo in third World countries? So, living in the UK I do not have a problem eating pork. The health laws were written for people living back then and very sensible they were.

 

[Servus]

Beef, pork and lamb meats are all considered unhealthy because they contain saturated and trans fats that can raise your blood cholesterol and lead to heart disease.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

So Jesus wants us to eat Bats, which is how Covid started? Bats are on the unclean list in the Bible. No father tells us you can eat anything you want and its okay. Have a gallon of ice cream before breakfast as long as you pray before. That is not what this verse means.

Not really. We are in a global pandemic which started by eating an unclean animal.

Well, it didn’t start just from bats.
It started from how the wet markets kept the living and dead animals.
Experts are not sure how it started but it closely resembles coronaviruses from bats and pangolins and SARS-CoV which comes from bats but gets transmitted to humans through masked palm civets.(1)

Transmission of SARS-CoV-1

While there is scientific consensus that bats are the ultimate source of coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) originated from a pangolin, jumped back to bats, and then jumped to humans, according to phylogenetic analysis. Therefore, a specific population of bats is more likely to be the intermediate host for SARS-CoV-2 than a pangolin, while an evolutionary ancestor to bats was the source for general coronaviruses. (2)

The key takeaway here is not that they were eating bats. It was the unsanitary conditions of the wet market that caused the outbreak. The wet market was also a wildlife market. This creates a perfect breeding ground for viruses and bacteria go grow because of the water used in wet markets and the wild animals all stacked on top of each other and in close proximity of each other.
Close interactions to any wild animal can cause disease outbreaks. You don’t even have to eat them to get sick. It has to do with the animals body fluids. Blood, urine, feces, saliva. (3)(4)
This is true of H1N1 (Swine flu) and Avian influenza (bird flu).
You could argue that it’s because people in general eat unclean meat but it is not true. Chicken is kosher. It is the way these animals are kept that is the issue.
You could even argue that the poultry farms of the avian flu are not kosher. But the first recorded record of avian influenza is 1878 (5) and they didn’t have modern poultry farms.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

References:
(1) Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19
(2) https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(20)30360-2
(3) Why Wet Markets Are The Perfect Place To Spread Disease
(4) 'Wet markets' likely launched the coronavirus. Here's what you need to know.
(5) https://doc.oie.int/dyn/portal/index.seam?page=alo&aloId=30870

 

[Carl Emerson]

Ask your doctor.

You made the claim, It is reasonable for me to ask you to back it up...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Beef, pork and lamb meats are all considered unhealthy because they contain saturated and trans fats that can raise your blood cholesterol and lead to heart disease.

Most trans fats come from processed foods. Also, your body can not survive without fat and protein and cholesterol in and of itself is not harmful and is needed by the body for many functions.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well, it didn’t start just from bats.
It started from how the wet markets kept the living and dead animals.
Experts are not sure how it started but it closely resembles coronaviruses from bats and pangolins and SARS-CoV which comes from bats but gets transmitted to humans through masked palm civets.(1)
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Transmission of SARS-CoV-1

While there is scientific consensus that bats are the ultimate source of coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) originated from a pangolin, jumped back to bats, and then jumped to humans, according to phylogenetic analysis. Therefore, a specific population of bats is more likely to be the intermediate host for SARS-CoV-2 than a pangolin, while an evolutionary ancestor to bats was the source for general coronaviruses. (2)

The key takeaway here is not that they were eating bats. It was the unsanitary conditions of the wet market that caused the outbreak. The wet market was also a wildlife market. This creates a perfect breeding ground for viruses and bacteria go grow because of the water used in wet markets and the wild animals all stacked on top of each other and in close proximity of each other.
Close interactions to any wild animal can cause disease outbreaks. You don’t even have to eat them to get sick. It has to do with the animals body fluids. Blood, urine, feces, saliva. (3)(4)
This is true of H1N1 (Swine flu) and Avian influenza (bird flu).
You could argue that it’s because people in general eat unclean meat but it is not true. Chicken is kosher. It is the way these animals are kept that is the issue.
You could even argue that the poultry farms of the avian flu are not kosher. But the first recorded record of avian influenza is 1878 (5) and they didn’t have modern poultry farms.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

References:
(1) Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19
(2) https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(20)30360-2
(3) Why Wet Markets Are The Perfect Place To Spread Disease
(4) 'Wet markets' likely launched the coronavirus. Here's what you need to know.
(5) https://doc.oie.int/dyn/portal/index.seam?page=alo&aloId=30870

I like how you start this post with an article about COVID-19 saying "The scientific consensus is that bats are the ultimate source of coronaviruses." and again "Experts are not sure how it started" in humans. Then in closing "Please stop spreading misinformation." So if the scientific consensus is that COVID-19 comes from bats and the scientific community does not know how it started in humans. How is the person your posting to spreading misinformation when all you have provided here is a theory of how it started? Don't forget the scientific community does not know how it started. Just saying....

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I like that you said how everything else didn’t make the top ten list.
But I’m pretty sure we’re only supposed to keep the top ten list that was issued that day, nothing else.
Also, most Christians are gentiles so the rest of that list isn’t for us. They’re for the Israelites.

Gentles will not enter God's Kingdom according to the scriptures. God's Israel in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word.

 

[prodromos]

Aahhh, there it is, the circle: it's inescapable once entered.

I'm not interested.

I'm here to promote obedience to the Lord--the Jewish Lord, that is.

By your admissions, my promotion is not for you, so the reason you're talking to me, cannot be, more than heckling, therefore, I will respond in kind.

Good grief!

 

[HIM]

The wording in the Greek can be understood two ways...

"Created to be received with thanks" can refer to all foods not just supposed 'clean' foods.

Rom 14:20
Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean...

But it is not. Just like Romans 14 is not about unclean animals.

 

[prodromos]

Gentles will not enter God's Kingdom according to the scriptures.

That's right. According to Matthew 11:12 it is the violents, not the gentles.