Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Religiot]

Good move on your behalf.

Yes, I completely agree with you: I think it's the only wise move I could do, otherwise, I'd be stuck in a fruitless loop.

--Your response now is more proof that you know what you are doing, and more than deep down, but I think on your very sleeve.

Not good, not good at all.

I'll still be here tho, if you change your mind.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yes, I completely agree with you: I think it's the only wise move I could do, otherwise, I'd be stuck in a fruitless loop.

--Your response now is more proof that you know what you are doing, and more than deep down, but I think on your very sleeve.

Not good, not good at all.

I'll still be here tho, if you change your mind.

Yep, a loop of not being able to defend your claim.

I thought you were done.

 

[Servus]

I didn't expect that: nowadays people don't apologize, but dig in deeper.

May God bless you for that, I truly appreciate it, and all is forgiven.

Thank you.

Thank you.

 

[Religiot]

Yep, a loop of not being able to defend your claim.

I thought you were done.

Well yes, I am done: did you have another question?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Ever driven by a pig farm? You smell it long before you see it.

Ever driven by a Sonny's real pit BBQ? You smell it/start drooling looong before you see it.

 

[Batya25]

I would agree, although in some ways it is a continual learning process. I believe we should be seeking to do all that is applicable to us (some are male/female/priest etc, specific) because Yeshua said none of the commandments would go away until heaven and earth pass away.

How does one quantify which ones are applicable?

Is "You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, such as wool and linen mixed together" applicable? I don't see why it wouldn't be. How many of us own blended fabric garments? Probably most if not all of us. Should we not therefore get rid of all blended fabrics in our closets?



Peter said, "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Acts of the Apostles 15:10. It sounds to me like Peter considered them burdensome. Is my interpretation of what Peter said wrong?[/QUOTE]
I do believe we should not wear shatnez (the word used in Deuteronomy 22:11 meaning wool and linen mixed).
I'll have to go back over acts to see the context of what was being said, but the commandments are life and blessing, not burdensome.

 

[Servus]

How does one quantify which ones are applicable?

Is "You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, such as wool and linen mixed together" applicable? I don't see why it wouldn't be. How many of us own blended fabric garments? Probably most if not all of us. Should we not therefore get rid of all blended fabrics in our closets?

Peter said, "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" Acts of the Apostles 15:10. It sounds to me like Peter considered them burdensome. Is my interpretation of what Peter said wrong?

I do believe we should not wear shatnez (the word used in Deuteronomy 22:11 meaning wool and linen mixed).
I'll have to go back over acts to see the context of what was being said, but the commandments are life and blessing, not burdensome.

Is shatnez limited to wool and linen mixed? Some translations indicate wool and linen are just an example and it means more combinations than just those two

"Is polyester A Shatnez?
A small area of shatnez forbids the entire garment. For example; a neutral material such as cotton or polyester will be entirely forbidden if a wool and linen combination are sewn on to even a small corner of the garment. ... The prohibition of shatnez applies equally to men and woman. Shatnez is forbidden at all times."

From a three part article:
Jerusalem Kosher News » The Basic Halachos of Shatnez – Part 1 of 3

 

[1an]

Is shatnez limited to wool and linen mixed? Some translations indicate wool and linen are just an example and it means more combinations than just those two

"Is polyester A Shatnez?
A small area of shatnez forbids the entire garment. For example; a neutral material such as cotton or polyester will be entirely forbidden if a wool and linen combination are sewn on to even a small corner of the garment. ... The prohibition of shatnez applies equally to men and woman. Shatnez is forbidden at all times."

From a lengthy three part article:
Jerusalem Kosher News » The Basic Halachos of Shatnez – Part 1 of 3

It is common sense. If you stich a hole in a woollen jumper with cotton, the cotton will cut through the wool and make the hole bigger. You need to use the same material.
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[Servus]

It is common sense. If you stich a hole in a woollen jumper with cotton, the cotton will cut through the wool and make the hole bigger. You need to use the same material.
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I believe it means an entire garment made of wool and linen blended together like this:
StudioSuits.com - Wool Linen Blend Suits

 

[Batya25]

Is shatnez limited to wool and linen mixed? Some translations indicate wool and linen are just an example and it means more combinations than just those two

"Is polyester A Shatnez?
A small area of shatnez forbids the entire garment. For example; a neutral material such as cotton or polyester will be entirely forbidden if a wool and linen combination are sewn on to even a small corner of the garment. ... The prohibition of shatnez applies equally to men and woman. Shatnez is forbidden at all times."

From a three part article:
Jerusalem Kosher News » The Basic Halachos of Shatnez – Part 1 of 3

The Hebrew basically says "You shall not wear shatnez linen and wool mixed." That's the only time that word occurs, so it's meaning is somewhat uncertain, but for various reasons, I believe it is specifically speaking of wool and linen being mixed.

 

[Servus]

The Hebrew basically says "You shall not wear shatnez linen and wool mixed." That's the only time that word occurs, so it's meaning is somewhat uncertain, but for various reasons, I believe it is specifically speaking of wool and linen being mixed.

Is it known why it is forbidden?

 

[Religiot]

The Hebrew basically says "You shall not wear shatnez linen and wool mixed." That's the only time that word occurs, so it's meaning is somewhat uncertain, but for various reasons, I believe it is specifically speaking of wool and linen being mixed.

yes, animal and plant materials are not to be woven together.

 

[Religiot]

Is it known why it is forbidden?

Yes, but not because of any man made convention, or knowledge, but strictly because God doesn't want it that way: that is the rule of life, for He made everything for His pleasure.

It is true, however, that we do find out many subsequent reasons why we shouldn't go against what He commands, but, of course, the only true reason for anything, is because He said, period. --it's how the sun shines, by His word; it's how we're saved, it's by His word: all of it is by what He says, regardless of our understanding or desires.

Fact is, our desires must conform to His, this is part of what His Spirit does in us.

 

[Religiot]

Just by the logic of your theology, what is the point of giving Moses laws when he already gave it to Adam and Noah, why not just pass it down from there?

They weren't the same laws, and they were passed down, e.g., marriage, was given to Adam and referenced by the Lord, and expounded to Moses, and referenced by the Lord; likewise, capital punishment and food laws, were given to Noah and referenced by the Lord, and expounded to Moses, and referenced by the Lord, etc.

All these expansions (revelations) of how God wants man to live, were ever increasing, to the point of the inevitable manifestation of His Son, Who expounds God's law perfectly--teaching us to do it from the heart, not by outward motivation, but by the love toward God.

This ultimate magnification of God's laws, by Christ, is obvious in all that He said and taught: for example, to Moses, God commanded that any committing adultery must be put to death, yet the Lord says, that any who look on a woman, to lust after her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart! That expansion of God's law, is now passed down to us!

The Lord did not come to reduce the law, but expound on it's righteousness, teaching us, that all of it, originates in the heart, and thus, we must repent, and be born again, to serve God from our love toward Him, not from our fear of man.

To love God is to keep His commandments, all of them--which are way more than 613, lol, seriously tho, way more--without number in-fact: for anything we do, we must do it to the glory of God, and those of us who love Him, do the righteousness of the law, and we are not limited by the letter...

(In saying all that, I know that I've exposed myself not to be in accord with most, but with respect, I couldn't care less: I fear the Lord.)

Fear God and keep His commands folks, especially the ones not written down!

Hallelujah!

 

[Aussie Pete]

It's not about the number of commands, but whether or not they were indeed abolished; therefore, your mention of the number is strictly in rhetoric and hyperbole, otherwise, you would be judging God, on whether or not He gave us too many things to do--I wouldn't ever go there if I were you...

The Law was given to Israel. It does not matter how many commandments there are, they are do not apply to me, unless

"Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,…"

Sure, I qualify as a sinner according to several of the above character defects. But now I am the righteousness of God in Christ, a new creation in Him and alive in Him. The One who gave the Law lives in my heart. He is always pleasing to God even when I get it wrong.

 

[Religiot]

The Law was given to Israel. It does not matter how many commandments there are, they are do not apply to me, unless

"Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,…"

Sure, I qualify as a sinner according to several of the above character defects. But now I am the righteousness of God in Christ, a new creation in Him and alive in Him. The One who gave the Law lives in my heart. He is always pleasing to God even when I get it wrong.

Please explain further, cause what you've said thus far, absolves you from obeying God, and if that's true, then a whole lot of the bible is just false.

 

[Cis.jd]

They weren't the same laws, and they were passed down, e.g., marriage, was given to Adam and referenced by the Lord, and expounded to Moses, and referenced by the Lord; likewise, capital punishment and food laws, were given to Noah and referenced by the Lord, and expounded to Moses, and referenced by the Lord, etc.

Where was this given to Noah? Marriage isn't exclusive to the Hebrews, the Mosaic laws where.

This ultimate magnification of God's laws, by Christ, is obvious in all that He said and taught: for example, to Moses, God commanded that any committing adultery must be put to death, yet the Lord says, that any who look on a woman, to lust after her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart! That expansion of God's law, is now passed down to us!

The Lord did not come to reduce the law, but expound on it's righteousness, teaching us, that all of it, originates in the heart, and thus, we must repent, and be born again, to serve God from our love toward Him, not from our fear of man.

But you avoided the main point of what I posted. Christ's words of being the fulfillment of the Law was in reference to the Mosaic laws only. It was fulfilled because God's revelation and relationship with man was no longer focused on the Hebrews, it would be every nation and in every nation those Hebrew laws would not apply because they are called gentiles.

To love God is to keep His commandments, all of them--which are way more than 613, lol, seriously tho, way more--without number in-fact: for anything we do, we must do it to the glory of God, and those of us who love Him, do the righteousness of the law, and we are not limited by the letter...

I would like you to research on the Gentiles, and then come back and tell me what were the differences between them and the Jews in regards to religious beliefs?

 

[Servus]

Yes, but not because of any man made convention, or knowledge, but strictly because God doesn't want it that way: that is the rule of life, for He made everything for His pleasure.

It is true, however, that we do find out many subsequent reasons why we shouldn't go against what He commands, but, of course, the only true reason for anything, is because He said, period. --it's how the sun shines, by His word; it's how we're saved, it's by His word: all of it is by what He says, regardless of our understanding or desires.

Fact is, our desires must conform to His, this is part of what His Spirit does in us.

As I'm sure you know there are a lot of commands in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that neither of us obey and many we don't even understand the meaning of such as:

76. To say the Shema twice daily—Deuteronomy 6:7
81. To put a Mezuzah on each door post—Deuteronomy 6:9

At least I don't know what those mean. Are we Christians supposed to obey those and others such as 118. To take up a Lulav and Etrog all seven days of Sukkot—Leviticus 23:40 without question?



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[Aussie Pete]

Please explain further, cause what you've said thus far, absolves you from obeying God, and if that's true, then a whole lot of the bible is just false.

Actually, obeying God without reference to the OT commandments is much harder. Lord Jesus made that clear during the Sermon on the Mount. If you go by that, even a wrong attitude gets you in trouble. You can hate someone and not say a word and no one will know. God says, "You just murdered that person". No court would convict you, but for sure God sees it.

The only way that we can please God is to walk in the Spirit. He will lead us in the way that God requires and even better, empower us to obey.

A simple example. I used to give money to the homeless, sometimes a lot. Now I am much more inclined to give food. The Lord showed me that too often, the money simply worsened the situation because it went on drugs or alcohol. At least food helps to keep that person alive.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Firstly, He didn't say that to the Hebrews, but to the Hebrew Israelites--not all Hebrews are Israelite, but all Israelites are Hebrew.

Hebrew, any member of an ancient northern Semitic people that were the ancestors of the Jews. Biblical scholars use the term Hebrews to designate the descendants of the patriarchs of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)—i.e., Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (also called Israel [Genesis 33:28])—from that period until their conquest of Canaan (Palestine) in the late 2nd millennium bce.
Hebrew | people
Jew, Hebrew Yĕhūdhī or Yehudi, any person whose religion is Judaism. In the broader sense of the term, a Jew is any person belonging to the worldwide group that constitutes, through descent or conversion, a continuation of the ancient Jewish people, who were themselves descendants of the Hebrews of the Bible (Old Testament).
Jew | History, Beliefs, & Facts
The first person to be called a Hebrew was Abraham,1 and the name commonly refers to his descendants, known as the Jewish people.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/800868/jewish/Who-Are-the-Hebrews.htm

Secondly, what you've posted as evidence, is only cited in part and in contradiction to the actual events, for the vision was not about food, but people, as Peter himself says only a few verses later. (Your interpretation by partial citation, has been debunked on this thread, exhaustively.)

Right, so that is why God told Peter to kill and eat....He gave the OK on cannabalism...

(Your interpretation by partial citation, has been debunked on this thread, exhaustively.)

Using selected readings a person can debunk anything......I can bring up just as many sources saying my position is accurate. So, you believe what you want.....