Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Religiot]

Parents are specifically commanded to raise their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord and children are commanded to obey their parents. Parents who fail in their duty and children who fail in their duty are sinning against God.

Yup, and from what you've told me, your parents did fail, for they made the commands of God, to you, appear burdensome.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I agree with much of what you said. My main differing opinion is that despite our ability to be as safe as possible with pigs, for instance, they are still unclean animals that wallow in the mud and eat anything you put in front of them. By their nature and what they're capable of eating, if given the chance to do so (even sight unseen, despite our best efforts), puts them squarely in the "unclean by design" category that God intended for as long as sin reigns on the earth.

I also think there's a correlation, a parallel, between unclean meat and the sin of the flesh that should be drawn here. Both are harmful, one to the physical body, one to the spiritual body.

I believe that God's design for the curse of the fall is binding until sin is no more and all is made anew. That all that He has said, that He has given to us, is for our own benefit and that none should be dismissed as done away with; aside from the obvious (the tearing of the veil, etc.)

Those are my thoughts. All are free to disagree.

My goodness! I am amazed at your ignorance of animal biology. Pigs, like all other animals except humans, do not have sweat glands in their hides and when they get hot they seek ways of cooling off, including taking a dip in the nearest water source. Cattle also do it and have no compunction about peeing or pooping in the pond. Wild pigs, aka boars, are quite clean and gravitate toward acorns as their preferred food source. As a result, they are quite delicious.

Interestingly, God did not condemn pigs as unclean because of their personal hygiene or dietary habits (they are vegetarians, but do not chew the cud). They are condemned because of their foot structure and the fact that they lack the four stomachs of the cow. I have yet to see any anti-pork person present any "scientific" argument as to why eating an animal with cloven hooves like a pig or which lacks the four stomachs of a cow is dangerous for human consumption.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yup, and from what you've told me, your parents did fail, for they made the commands of God, to you, appear burdensome.

How do you know that? Did you know my parents? Do you know me?

 

[Religiot]

The killing in the OT is justified when God commands it. It helps serve a purpose.

The purpose was to kill those who disobey God.

 

[Religiot]

How do you know that? Did you know my parents? Do you know me?

Are you serious?! --you just told me!

--How else could I know that?!

C'mon, really?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Are you serious?! --you just told me!

--How else could I know that?!

C'mon, really?

Precisely where did I say, "My parents did fail, for they made the commands of God, to me, appear burdensome."

C'mon, really?

 

[Carl Emerson]

I agree with much of what you said. My main differing opinion is that despite our ability to be as safe as possible with pigs, for instance, they are still unclean animals that wallow in the mud and eat anything you put in front of them and have potential for parasites. By their nature and what they're capable of eating, if given the chance to do so (even sight unseen, despite our best efforts), puts them squarely in the "unclean by design" category that God intended for as long as sin reigns on the earth.

I also think there's a correlation, a parallel, between unclean meat and the sin of the flesh that should be drawn here. Both are harmful, one to the physical body, one to the spiritual body.

I believe that God's design for the curse of the fall is binding until sin is no more and all is made anew. That all that He has said, that He has given to us, is for our own benefit and that none should be dismissed as done away with; aside from the obvious (the tearing of the veil, etc.)

I would also point

Those are my thoughts. All are free to disagree.

I dont agree with the notion of 'unclean by design' a better descriptor would be 'unclean by curse' because He created all things good.

 

[Religiot]

That's one of the reasons the Old Covenant is no more: now Jesus is the focus, not the Law. Jesus gets us focusing on God.

You're equating the old covenant with the laws of God: it is not.

 

[Religiot]

Precisely where did I say, "My parents did fail, for they made the commands of God, to me, appear burdensome."

C'mon, really?

That was just my summary of your indictment of your parents: Your actual indictment of your parents is far better than my summary:

I was raised in a legalistic Christian home with clearly-defined laws and rules which we tried to keep strictly. We were under the Law, not grace. Praise God that he delivered me from the bondage of the Law!

I was referring to God's laws as enacted and enforced by my parents.

Parents are specifically commanded to raise their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord and children are commanded to obey their parents. Parents who fail in their duty and children who fail in their duty are sinning against God.

 

[Religiot]

A lot of the Law is designed to separate Israel from other nations. If you're thinking it's telling everyone how to live sinless, or it's all designed to be some moral enlightenment, that's not what it is. It's designed to help get the Israelite's focusing on the things that are right, which is worshipping God.

Actually, God's laws were indeed supposed to inspire other nations to be in awe at the wisdom found in them--as compared to their own, of course.

 

[Religiot]

Christians are no longer subject to food laws. If you are serious about obeying all 613 commandments, well good luck with that. It's impossible because the Levitical priesthood no longer exists. It is impossible because there is no tabernacle or temple. There is no altar to sacrifice animals. God made a covenant with Israel that included the 613 commandments. No other nation was bound by those laws. The New Covenant made by Lord Jesus with the Father does not include food laws either. The opposite. Read Colossians 2:16 to confirm that.

I find it funny that many here keep saying that no other nations were bound by God's laws: do you not know, that all other nations that were on the other side of Jordan were sentenced to death by God? and that any nation not on Israel's killing fields, were to be subject to Israel, but Israel subject to none?

The world was supposed to go to Israel to learn what is right, and that still remains to be fulfilled, and will be fulfilled, when He, the King of kings show up, they will all bend the knee, guaranteed.

 

[bbbbbbb]

That was just my summary of your indictment of your parents: Your actual indictment of your parents is far better than my summary:

I see. If you think so.

 

[Religiot]

Anyone know the penalty for eating unclean meats back in those days?

It was the same penalty for committing any abomination, death.

 

[Religiot]

Kosher rules are for the Jews. In fact cuts of meat they were forbidden to eat are allowed in scripture to be sold to the gentiles instead.
The purpose of these rules were to segregate jews from the nation's where there can be a recognizable demarcation between themselves and the surrounding peoples.

No. The Israelite was not to live among the other nations on the other side of Jordan, but to remove them by death. Surrounding nations, not on their land, were to learn from Israel what was right.

 

[Religiot]

Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?
Because it is delicious?........just guessing here....

God says don't eat swine: are you still gonna do it?

 

[Religiot]

I'd love to stop eating pork, mainly because of how pigs are intelligent animals that really do feel. So, i feel really bad on how they are slaughtered.

However, in order for me to stop eating pork, the law will have to make it illegal. I can't resist bacon, bacon cheeseburger, or pork chops with a side of mashed potatoes and steam vegies.. with ice tea as a beveage, a nice shot of whiskey at the end to have a good night sleep.

The only law that actually matters, God's law, does make it illegal: did you really not know that?

 

[Religiot]

It was true under the old covenant. Sure not all laws applied to all people. Some were exclusively for women, priests or Nazarites. I was trying to make a point that the Law is no longer applicable to Christians. Perhaps you can clarify how many of the 613 applied to the average male Israelite? I'll use that number in future.

It's not about the number of commands, but whether or not they were indeed abolished; therefore, your mention of the number is strictly in rhetoric and hyperbole, otherwise, you would be judging God, on whether or not He gave us too many things to do--I wouldn't ever go there if I were you...

 

[Davy]

I was raised in a legalistic Christian home with clearly-defined laws and rules which we tried to keep strictly. We were under the Law, not grace. Praise God that he delivered me from the bondage of the Law!

That sounds like a made-up story.

 

[nolidad]

Even though I have a Master's degree and am a voracious reader of the Bible I have no clear understanding of the (separate) verses of the KJV rendition of Paul's letter to the church in Corinth. It is weird to try to establish Christian doctrine from these (separated) verses in a form of English that nobody has used as their normal, primary language for centuries.

Here is a far better translation of that part of Paul's letter to the Corinthians...

that is a lame excuse.

YOur translation said what I said.

You see, it is far too easy to establish a false doctrine by (mis)interpreting a letter that is a translation of Koine Greek into Olde Englyshe and to have it mean what you want it to say rather than what it actually means.

And it is just as easy to establish a false doctrine using a more modern English translation that is a dynamic equivalent translation and puts mens opinion into the text.

There are many great more modern English translations, but there are also many horrendous modern English versions.

 

[civilwarbuff]

God says don't eat swine: are you still gonna do it?

God told the Hebrews not to eat any animal without a split hoof and chews a cud IIRC to set them apart from other men. I am not Hebrew. I believe in Christ my Risen Savior which is what sets me apart from other men.

Peter’s Vision
(Leviticus 11:1–47; Deuteronomy 14:1–21)

9The next day at about the sixth hour,c as the men were approaching the city on their journey, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. 13Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impured or unclean.” 15The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” 16This happened three times, and all at once the sheet was taken back up into heaven.
Acts 10:9-16