I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

[Astrid]

You don't know what I know and what I do not know ... and I don't have to provide you with any credentials.

What a person actually says shows their knowledge.
Credentials mean nothing as they can't be verified.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Right or wrong isn't the issue. And how is that working out for you? ....is the correct question.


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No, that makes no sense.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So you need to show him he is right. This is the solution you are looking for.
But it's more work on your end.

Learn how to say yes.

Why do I need to say that he is right when he is demonstrably wrong? I am not going to pander to someone's claims that are clearly wrong. That's not how a person learns.

Seriously, what school did you go to if you think this is the right way to educate someone?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I think the thing is, that even if you have "Evolution" completely worked out, I am still going to side with the underdog (to begin with).

Take "Flat Earthers". You argue and argue that the world is round all you want, to me its simple as saying, "no matter what you stand on, at some point it is going to seem flat" - if you stand on the Sun and look out to the horizon, that horizon will look flat!

Now you may say, "no matter how flat something may seem, if you move far enough out of its space, it will seem round" but to me, that misses the point: Flat Earthers don't want to see it as round - that's enough!

So would you ever take the time and effort to actually learn about evolution?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why do I need to say that he is right when he is demonstrably wrong? I am not going to pander to someone's claims that are clearly wrong. That's not how a person learns.

Seriously, what school did you go to if you think this is the right way to educate someone?

The school of experience.
Yes, you always start from where the person is and learn through discovery.
Starting with telling them they are wrong builds up roadblocks.
Yes, I've been schooled at it.

 

[SkyWriting]

Does it?

Can you do it?

Yes, and it takes practice.

One simple to learn method is to say
"Yes, and........" at the beginning of every sentance.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes, you always start from where the person is and learn through discovery.
Starting with telling them they are wrong builds up roadblocks.
Yes, I've been schooled at it.

Except that know where Gottservant is, from all of the threads he has written: he does not understand a single thing about evolution or even basic biological science.
He has been at this for several years now, and I am now at the place where I can firmly say that he is entirely in the wrong. So, no, I'm not going to mollycoddle him on this.

 

[SkyWriting]

What if what he is saying is false?

Yes, and this is the solution.

 

[SkyWriting]

The varieties of denominations, schisms and heresies seems to demonstrate that this is not in any way true.

Yes. This is the result of people not have full knowledge. Which we should expect since most people don't know how to make change for $1.73 without a calculator.

 

[SkyWriting]

Except that know where Gottservant is, from all of the threads he has written: he does not understand a single thing about evolution or even basic biological science.
He has been at this for several years now, and I am now at the place where I can firmly say that he is entirely in the wrong. So, no, I'm not going to mollycoddle him on this.

Yes, and the purpose is to make you a better persuaded. Not to improve him.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

But that's not the purpose. The purpose is to make you a better persuader.

I'm sorry, but it's not about persuading someone that they are wrong. I am not going to play along with his inaccuracies and insipid comments about science just for the sake of being nice. He is simply and bluntly wrong. If I play along with this nonsense then it just gives him too much pride and a haughty spirit, and as Proverbs 16:18 says, that leads to nowhere nice.

 

[Astrid]

Yes. This is the result of people not have full knowledge. Which we should expect since most people don't know how to make change for $1.73 without a calculator.

Or maybe coz there is no. "There" there?

 

[Astrid]

I'm sorry, but it's not about persuading someone that they are wrong. I am not going to play along with his inaccuracies and insipid comments about science just for the sake of being nice. He is simply and bluntly wrong. If I play along with this nonsense then it just gives him too much pride and a haughty spirit, and as Proverbs 16:18 says, that leads to nowhere nice.

My mom never coddled me.
When I said something stupid, she' d
call it what it was. Stupid. Garbage. Ridiculous.

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi there,

So I don't know whether to make this long or short, I just want to say that whatever Evolution is, I am not going to chase it. I just don't want to. I would rather be backwards and have faith; than go forwards and "evolve". It's not that I am not capable of intellectual denial of my desire to have faith, its just that "faith" to me, is everything: I cannot simply give up faith, for something that is poorly explained as "an imaginary past, with self-contradictory roots".

All of history is malleable and fictional, and the same goes for the future. Even the present can be changed by looking from a different viewpoint. So all of reality is faith in your views.

 

[Astrid]

All of history is malleable and fictional, and the same goes for the future. Even the present can be changed by looking from a different viewpoint. So all of reality is faith in your views.

Like reality is what ever a person chooses to think?

 

[SkyWriting]

Or maybe coz there is no. "There" there?

The reality of people's perceptions will exist no matter the case. So dealing with reality means dealing with what people believe. You can't deny a different person's reality just because yours doesn't match it.

But I can explain why most people have not interacted with God.
Even most Christians. Even most Christian leaders. It's hard work.
Knowing God Through Answered Prayer - Steps 1, 2, & 3

 

[SkyWriting]

Like reality is whatever a person chooses to think?

ANd they can change what they choose to think as well.

 

[SkyWriting]

My mom never coddled me.
When I said something stupid, she' d
call it what it was. Stupid. Garbage. Ridiculous.

She could only call it what she THOUGHT is was. That was her reality to her.
And it's more comfortable to believe what your parents believe. But I'm sure you know 1000's of stories where parents have been wrong. Or people think so anyway.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm sorry, but it's not about persuading someone that they are wrong. I am not going to play along with his inaccuracies and insipid comments about science just for the sake of being nice. He is simply and bluntly wrong. If I play along with this nonsense then it just gives him too much pride and a haughty spirit, and as Proverbs 16:18 says, that leads to nowhere nice.

Yes, and you will make progress after you start saying "Yes, and....." for each post.
I said it was going to be hard.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes, and you will make progress after you start saying "Yes, and....." for each post.
I said it was going to be hard.

I am not going to go along with or say 'yes' to his nonsensical delusions on science.