LDS Why mormons believe angels are less than gods?

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I have READ over 50 NDE books and been to many IANDS meetings. I have watches many NDE videos as well and seen many interviews of people who have had NDEs. I am convinced that NDEs are real and what people who have had NDEs (as they are called) have experienced being outside their bodies and have been shown amazing things even things that have not yet happened.


You are free to believe anything you want. I go by what the bible says because those things have been explained away and can be duplicated under oxygen deprivation. And your believe can not take away the fact that the brain is having some sort of function for 10 min. after death. During that time, it is under oxygen deprivation and it hallucinates and the sounds it hears is turned into actions that they "see" in their minds. And the brain is changed---permanently---after these things.
 
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You are free to believe anything you want. I go by what the bible says because those things have been explained away and can be duplicated under oxygen deprivation. And your believe can not take away the fact that the brain is having some sort of function for 10 min. after death. During that time, it is under oxygen deprivation and it hallucinates and the sounds it hears is turned into actions that they "see" in their minds. And the brain is changed---permanently---after these things.
I will indeed continue to believe what I believe is the truth. All of those people can't be wrong.
 
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I will indeed continue to believe what I believe is the truth. All of those people can't be wrong.


Yah--and all those Rabbis and people shouting crucify Him, couldn't be wrong, either.
 
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God is God, infinite, all powerful, the creator of all there is. Angels are a creation, man is a creation. There is only one God, angels do not ascend to a divine level and neither can man. We are created, God is the creator. Only God is divine. Any other teaching is not supported by Gods Word, maybe by the word of a man or book created by a man, but not by the Holy Scripture. I am not LDS and do not think LDS is Christian and you can take that for what it is and no you will not change my mind. Salvation is through the shed blood of Christ alone, it is the imputation of His righteousness to your account and nothing you do or ever could do will result in your salvation outside of Christs perfect finished work. You will not become a god and again there is only one God.
 
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Are you saying there shouldn't have been an atonement?


I said no such thing!! How you came up with that one is beyond comprehension! I was referring, obviously, to what you said---"all those people can't be wrong." So I said--all those Rabbis and all those people shouting Crucify Him, can't be wrong either." Being one of the many---means nothing. Many times, a Christian must stand alone.
 
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I said no such thing!! How you came up with that one is beyond comprehension! I was referring, obviously, to what you said---"all those people can't be wrong." So I said--all those Rabbis and all those people shouting Crucify Him, can't be wrong either." Being one of the many---means nothing. Many times, a Christian must stand alone.
If the Rabbis and all those people shouting Crucify Him had not done so He would not have been crucified. They were not wrong then. Remember what Peter said:

(New Testament | Matthew 16:21 - 23)

21 ¶ From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

So I ask again Are you saying there shouldn't have been an atonement? Are were the Rabbis and all those people shouting Crucify Him wrong?
 
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God is God, infinite, all powerful, the creator of all there is. Angels are a creation, man is a creation. There is only one God, angels do not ascend to a divine level and neither can man. We are created, God is the creator. Only God is divine. Any other teaching is not supported by Gods Word, maybe by the word of a man or book created by a man, but not by the Holy Scripture. I am not LDS and do not think LDS is Christian and you can take that for what it is and no you will not change my mind. Salvation is through the shed blood of Christ alone, it is the imputation of His righteousness to your account and nothing you do or ever could do will result in your salvation outside of Christs perfect finished work. You will not become a god and again there is only one God.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

(New Testament | John 14:15 - 16)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

(New Testament | John 14:21)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(New Testament | John 14:24)

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
 
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If the Rabbis and all those people shouting Crucify Him had not done so He would not have been crucified. They were not wrong then. Remember what Peter said:

(New Testament | Matthew 16:21 - 23)

21 ¶ From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

So I ask again Are you saying there shouldn't have been an atonement? Are were the Rabbis and all those people shouting Crucify Him wrong?


Jesus had to die for our sins. That is why He came. Had He not been crucified, had the Rabbis accepted him, they actually would have had to place him on the after and slit His throat as the Sacrificial Lamb. Just as Abraham almost did with Isaac. Which would not have been as cruel as the cross. The cross, how ever is what had been predicted. That does not mean that He had to be to tortured and crucified. You confuse prediction with God having been responsible for it. God sees ahead, doesn't mean He causes it. You guys are forever confusing that. As you did with the fall. Knowing what is to happen and causing the thing to happen are 2 different things. We have free will. We don't have to sin. Those that killed Jesus, and did not repent, are guilty of murder. Those Jews that demanded His death, and did not repent, are guilty of sin. So don't tell me that the Rabbis and Jews were not wrong. That is ignorant. They were wrong and will pay the price of it.
 
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God is God, infinite, all powerful, the creator of all there is. Angels are a creation, man is a creation. There is only one God, angels do not ascend to a divine level and neither can man. We are created, God is the creator. Only God is divine. Any other teaching is not supported by Gods Word, maybe by the word of a man or book created by a man, but not by the Holy Scripture. I am not LDS and do not think LDS is Christian and you can take that for what it is and no you will not change my mind. Salvation is through the shed blood of Christ alone, it is the imputation of His righteousness to your account and nothing you do or ever could do will result in your salvation outside of Christs perfect finished work. You will not become a god and again there is only one God.
Would you be willing to analyze this scripture from Peter:
2 Peter 1:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine If nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

I will give you my analysis: In vs 3, God, by his divine power has given us all that we need
to be Gods.

vs 4: by great and precious promises, God has given us the reality of being partakers of His divine nature. He did this because we overcame the world of corruption and lust. And having overcome the world, we can be like Jesus himself in all aspects of what Jesus is.
Revelation 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

If you overcome the world, like Jesus did, you will sit in his throne with him. Why can we do that, because we are and will be a God, just like him.

Thank you for your analysis.
 
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Would you be willing to analyze this scripture from Peter:
2 Peter 1:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine If nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

I will give you my analysis: In vs 3, God, by his divine power has given us all that we need
to be Gods.

vs 4: by great and precious promises, God has given us the reality of being partakers of His divine nature. He did this because we overcame the world of corruption and lust. And having overcome the world, we can be like Jesus himself in all aspects of what Jesus is.
Revelation 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

If you overcome the world, like Jesus did, you will sit in his throne with him. Why can we do that, because we are and will be a God, just like him.

Thank you for your analysis.


LOL!! How you do twist words---godliness does not equal being GOD!! I know you twist that where ever you can, we are to emulate God's character--that is godliness. It doesn't mean we will become equal to God, having His power. That is what drives Mormonism----the mad lust for POWER! It is what drove JS and BY, it just is sooo appealing to men, that they can have the Power of God, with untold number of wives---lust for power and women---you are all in for a real let down. Jeszus gave us the example to follow---HE NEVER BECAME GOD---HE WAS GOD FROM THE BEGINNING, HE WAS GOD BEFORE HE WAS HUMAN!!! We never were Gods, and will never become Gods===we can be godlike in character. If that is not good enough for you----you will end up with nothing!
 
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LOL!! How you do twist words---godliness does not equal being GOD!! I know you twist that where ever you can, we are to emulate God's character--that is godliness. It doesn't mean we will become equal to God, having His power. That is what drives Mormonism----the mad lust for POWER! It is what drove JS and BY, it just is sooo appealing to men, that they can have the Power of God, with untold number of wives---lust for power and women---you are all in for a real let down. Jeszus gave us the example to follow---HE NEVER BECAME GOD---HE WAS GOD FROM THE BEGINNING, HE WAS GOD BEFORE HE WAS HUMAN!!! We never were Gods, and will never become Gods===we can be godlike in character. If that is not good enough for you----you will end up with nothing!
We have no lust for power and responsibility. Do you believe Abraham had a lust for power? We do know God's plan for us:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Satan is doing his best to prevent this from happening. He does not want us to be one with God.

(New Testament | John 17:11)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

So if you don't want anything to do with what God has in mind for us, that is up to you. Just do not condemn us for trying to achieve the goal we have been given.
 
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We have no lust for power and responsibility. Do you believe Abraham had a lust for power? We do know God's plan for us:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Satan is doing his best to prevent this from happening. He does not want us to be one with God.

(New Testament | John 17:11)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

So if you don't want anything to do with what God has in mind for us, that is up to you. Just do not condemn us for trying to achieve the goal we have been given.


You think Abraham wanted to be God?!! He expressed no such desire! There is one who did---his name was Lucifer, when he decided he wanted to be God---he was kicked out of heaven and his name became Lucifer. That is what happens to those who think they can become God. They will end up with h9im.
 
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You think Abraham wanted to be God?!! He expressed no such desire! There is one who did---his name was Lucifer, when he decided he wanted to be God---he was kicked out of heaven and his name became Lucifer. That is what happens to those who think they can become God. They will end up with h9im.
Satan didn't want to be obedient and be one with God, he wanted his own kingdom:

(Old Testament | Isaiah 14:12 - 17)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Jesus was obedient and did all the Father asked Him to do. He was the first begotten of the Father. Jesus loved righteousness:

(New Testament | Hebrews 1:4 - 14)

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
 
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Satan didn't want to be obedient and be one with God, he wanted his own kingdom:

And all you guys want is your own planet, with a bunch of wives so you can populate your own little world and be the god of it.
 
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Satan didn't want to be obedient and be one with God, he wanted his own kingdom

Reminds me of your hymn to Joseph Smith, "Praise to the man", particularly this part:

"Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.

Ever and ever the keys he will hold.

Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,

Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old."

Hmmm... :scratch:
 
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Reminds me of your hymn to Joseph Smith, "Praise to the man", particularly this part:

"Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.

Ever and ever the keys he will hold.

Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,

Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old."

Hmmm... :scratch:
Joseph Smith will undoubtedly be in the celestial kingdom because he was obedient.
 
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And all you guys want is your own planet, with a bunch of wives so you can populate your own little world and be the god of it.

I have been an active Latter-day Saint my entire life. For any faithfulness of mine no planets have been promised to me.
 
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