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And I defended the Book of Abraham.Apparently the only source for Kolob in Mormon scripture is the Book of Abraham.
As you know, I extensively criticized the Book of Abraham on another thread.
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And I defended the Book of Abraham.Apparently the only source for Kolob in Mormon scripture is the Book of Abraham.
As you know, I extensively criticized the Book of Abraham on another thread.
It should surprise no one but Mormons that JS didn't know things that the people of his time and place didn't know either, since it's only Mormons that believe that JS had access to all kinds of special knowledge, and that JS/the BOM is being more and more proven right with advancements in science. (Actual scientists who aren't bought off by the LDS propaganda machine don't agree with that, obviously.)
It's no surprise, then, that our resident Mormons have nothing to say in response beyond the by now very tired non-reply of "Yeah, well, you too!", as though Christians have ever claimed that God lives on or near a star named Kolob or on any other star.
And still after all the years I've spent here so far discussing things with them, I can't understand why the best they can apparently shoot for in a mixed faith environment is to be considered equal with Christianity, a religion which they and their founding prophet believe to be corrupted beyond repair. Aiming pretty low there, aren't you guys?
You must have read about 2 pages of anything that JS wrote to be that ignorant.Now you finally say it. It not based on facts, in our knowledge of the God of this universe from the scriptures, but from your faith in one man, Joseph Smith. He can not, and never will, save anyone, including Himself. There is no other name by which we may be saved---Jesus Christ. None of the writings of JS point to Jesus as our ONLY Savior, the ONLY Son of God. They do point to him.
You are still so wrong, on so many levels.Then get away from the writings of JS, he paints an ineffectual, powerless, god that is nothing like the real God of this universe who is all powerful, who's very voice is obeyed by even the elements ---who when He says be fruitful and multiply did not require a fallen angel to cause His creation to sin before they could have children!! The real Majestic, loving God that saves all who follow Him into His presence---not just a select few---all will be in His presence. The real God does not require any wife. The real God will destroy all sin---He will not let it continue by giving any man godhood that they have children that require salvation over and over, filling more planets with evil!! No--He will get rid of it permanently. You do not know the real God of the bible, the Son, nor the Holy Spirit, for He is everywhere at the same time, not like your feeble caricature of a holy spirit that can only be in one place at a time!! There is so much that you are not acquainted with because JS did not know the real God.
Has God given men that knowledge? Is it possible that God lives on a star, or a planet? When Jesus told Mary that he was going to go to his Father and his God, where in the universe do you think he went? I would like to know?God has named them all---the real God that created them.
We have 8 billion people on this tiny Earth. Again, where did Jesus go to the Father and where is the throne that John saw in Revelations 4?Yah, could be He might have run out of names and decided to call some planet or star that----Nothing in the bible says He lives on a planet---it only says he lives on the 3rd heaven. That 3rd heaven could be much larger than any planet. He has billions of angels with Him. It could very well be a vast expanse with no planet involved at all. Other than 3rd heaven, I see no reason to believe He lives on some planet called Kolob because someone says he had a vision from God.
All we can say is, time will tell. Can you tell me where Jesus went, when he told Mary he was going to his Father and his God?It sounds like Kolob is something Joseph Smith made up.
You must have read about 2 pages of anything that JS wrote to be that ignorant.
So God can create and destroy matter, but he cannot refuel a star if he wishes to? Wow.
You are still so wrong, on so many levels.
Has God given men that knowledge? Is it possible that God lives on a star, or a planet? When Jesus told Mary that he was going to go to his Father and his God, where in the universe do you think he went? I would like to know?
Tell us where the throne of God is, as written in Revelations 4?
We have 8 billion people on this tiny Earth. Again, where did Jesus go to the Father and where is the throne that John saw in Revelations 4?
Not just ignorant but grossly ignorant.Ignorant? THAT THERE IS NO OTHER NAME BY WEHICH WE MAY BE SAVED YOU CALL IGNORANT! THAT PROVES MY POINT. Esp.. when no one can enter into heaven without the say so of JS. The ignorance is obviously yours.
Could Kolob be in the 3rd heaven? You don't know and until I see it, I have to believe by faith.Well, that is the point, isn't it---the bible does not say where. It just says He is in the 3rd heaven. Nothing says He is limited to a star. He has billions of angels, He is building us all homes there, the New Jerusalem is there and the dimensions of it are in the bible. He can have all that anywhere He wants and needs no planet or star. It is a made up name that is mentioned nowhere in scripture. JS did not know.
You are arguing against yourself here. It was He Is The Way that stated God would/could refuel our sun if/when it runs out. Given that the lds believe all matter exists and God can't create something out of nothing, He just "organizes" matter, I asked where this fuel would come from? No one from the Christian perspective in this thread claimed God couldn't refuel a star if He chose to.So God can create and destroy matter, but he cannot refuel a star if he wishes to? Wow.
Not just ignorant but grossly ignorant.
For you to say in post 63:
None of the writings of JS point to Jesus as our ONLY Savior, the ONLY Son of God. They do point to him.
I have never read anything that rediculous about JS's writings from any anti Mormon writings that I have read over the last 50 years. Of the hundreds and hundeds of pages of writings, it is almost monotonous to read and reread that Jesus is the only begotton Son of God, and the only way that man can be saved. So obvously you have not read anything from JS, maybe except for a few controversial things that he wrote for the purpose of finding fault.
Are you also ignorant about the billions of people of the House of Israel? You are aware that Peter and the 12 apostles will judge the entire House of Israel. Billions of people have to go thrugh Peter and the 12.
Could it be that there will be so many billions of people that are unworthy even to stand before their maker, or are so evil that it is unecessary that Jesus hear their cases, that underlings will be called in to judge these people? We don't know but the scripture is clear Peter and the 12 will be involved.
With that knowledge in hand it is not unreasonable to think that Adam, and Enoch, and Noah, and Abraham, and countless others will be involved in the judgement. And totally reasonable to think that JS, the restoring prophet of the last great dispensation of time, would not be involved in the judgement also. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. It is a reasonable concept, knowing that other mortal men will be involved.
So don't make statements that NONE of JS writings..... it just exposes your ignorance.
But, as always, you refuse to name the levels. All you ever say is somelne is wrong but never say what is wrong and what is the correct view.
Could Kolob be in the 3rd heaven? You don't know and until I see it, I have to believe by faith.
If God and the angels don't need a star or planet, are they just drifiting in open space somewhere. Be reasonable. It would be far more reasonable that they are situated on a rather large planet, rather than just drifting out there in space, right?
Where will the New Jerusalem be, if not on a planet? Will we all be in the New Jerusalem, just drifting in open space somewhere? Think about it just for a few seconds and you will see your dilemma, and JS's concept may not seem so far fetched.
Helium, oxygen, carbon, hydrogen are available all over the universe, and it would not take much for God to take these elements from X and transfer them to our sun. For God, that process would be elementary, assuming God wished the sun to last a little longer.You are arguing against yourself here. It was He Is The Way that stated God would/could refuel our sun if/when it runs out. Given that the lds believe all matter exiarysts and God can't create something out of nothing, He just "organizes" matter, I asked where this fuel would come from? No one from the Christian perspective in this thread claimed God couldn't refuel a star if He chose to.