Right v Left - would this sum up the difference?

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I'm not making a blanket statement because there are those on the left who do care about stopping most abortions, even if we are minority.

All right so you're acknowledging those on the left are a minority that care about the unborn. None of your caring matter though does it for if you're joined to the platform of the majority you're joined to their platform. Sorry but your vote will enable their actions. And I'd like to ask dear Christians here and I mean that sincerely who are voting with the Dems. Just what do you call abortion? In your books is it just not caring about the unborn....do you not see it as murder? What do you think it is?

And AJ most of your post switched to not being formatted right making it hard to respond. Maybe you can make some adjustments?
 
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The Right cares about money and the Left about people?
I think that’s a good way to sum up the difference, although it’s not a true dichotomy. While there are those on the Left who believe in a stateless, classless, money-less society as the ideal, most Leftists see the importance of money as it pertains to power in the hands of the workers. You will often see leftists point out the growing wealth inequality in the US, where the difference between the lowest wage earners and the biggest capital investors is orders of magnitude larger than in other developed countries. This is a natural development under capitalism, which is why other countries have well-funded social programs like education and healthcare to ease the burdens of the poor and allow for better social mobility.

On the other hand, the Right may consider GDP and stock market growth to be key indicators of a successful government, but they do have their peculiar fixations on individual rights such as firearm ownership and unconditional birthing. I think it’s true that the Right will always put citizens in direct danger before they put stock market growth in danger because in their eyes, shareholders losing money is a bigger catastrophe than a quarter million people dying because they couldn’t miss work.

There’s obviously a lot more nuance to these two opposites, but I do think it’s a good starting point from which to understand the differences between the right and left.
 
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I personally look forward to a day, when we will cease from fighting or struggling, especially unnecessary struggling or fighting, that is described as "struggling or fighting or beating at, or is a struggling against the wind", etc, and that it is all man's own pride and ego and "vanity", etc, which most of that is just mostly for most of us just struggling to just survive anyway, and how does that make us any different from animals, or at least animals in a fallen world anyway, and I think our areas of improvement, will be in personally getting to know God, and know God as our God, and not anything of our own selves or our own making, etc,
What happens after that point of eternity when you eventually get to know God? Do you really believe you could be satisfied living like a cared for pet with no challenges in life? Nothing to strive for, nothing to accomplish, No reason to get out of bed in the morning? Do you really believe you would enjoy spending eternity that way?
 
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All right so you're acknowledging those on the left are a minority that care about the unborn.
Yes, i acknowledge where I believe those on my side of the political spectrum are wrong. I am fine with admitting where people I've voted for are wrong, including Obama, Clinton, etc. No problem. I have been openly and very vocally critical of liberals and those I've voted for on those issues where they are wrong and I've done it right here in CF.

That's the difference between me and you (and the others on the right). You on the right can't, won't, and don't admit where your side of the political spectrum is wrong.

No political grouping represents my beliefs 100%; never have and never will. So I am faced with a choice of not participating at all or choosing the candidates who come closest to representing my beliefs.

From what I see, you believe that if you are not 100% in agreement with any political grouping then you should not participate. And based on that I can deduce that you must be 100% in agreement with everything the right has in their platforms for their parties and candidates. How can you believe that these non-Christian groups are 100% in line with your beliefs if your beliefs are Christian? Or are you saying you're a Christian who doesn't have a lot of Christian beliefs?

None of your caring matter though does it for if you're joined to the platform of the majority you're joined to their platform. Sorry but your vote will enable their actions. And I'd like to ask dear Christians here and I mean that sincerely who are voting with the Dems. Just what do you call abortion? In your books is it just not caring about the unborn....do you not see it as murder? What do you think it is?
And I'd like to ask you the same thing and I mean it very sincerely. Just what do you think of using people and oppressing them? In your books is it just not caring about people...do you not see it as mistreating your fellow humans?

And let me also ask you this: Since you believe abortion is murder, thereby making all women who get abortions murderers, do you believe that all these woman should be given the same punishment that murderers get, i.e. life in prison or death penalty???

And AJ most of your post switched to not being formatted right making it hard to respond. Maybe you can make some adjustments?
Thanks, I fixed it. There's a lot in there which you will hate to answer to because it exposes the double standard and hypocrisy of all of those on the right.
 
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I think, as I said, that they are a mixed bag when it comes to risk v.s. benefits.
Our country should be anti-monopoly, and Amazon is definitely a monopoly in the U.S. If they try to acquire any more businesses they should probably be blocked.
There is some global competititon to Amazon. China has two huge companies, Alibaba and JD.com, that have similar business models. They both operate globally, although Amazon is present in more countries. Alibaba was founded four years after Amazon.
There are US laws against being a monopoly; I believe Microsoft was sued a few years back for this reason; the US has a long history of preventing monopolies. But this does not mean these corporations are stealing from the poor to become rich; monopolies is a different conversation.
 
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There are US laws against being a monopoly; I believe Microsoft was sued a few years back for this reason; the US has a long history of preventing monopolies. But this does not mean these corporations are stealing from the poor to become rich; monopolies is a different conversation.
LOL! Right. Monopolies are about staying rich.
 
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The Right cares about money and the Left about people?


By 'Left' I don't mean all Democrats, but the true Left.

The difference would be seen if for example a pandemic disease hit the planet and the Right Wing countries would keep people at their jobs to protect the economy and take a wait-and-see approach to how dangerous the disease turns out to be, risking people rather than money.

And in a more Right Wing country the low-paid being very close to insolvent, would agree with that approach.

A more to the Left country would close more down in case it was a dangerous disease rather than use expendable 'human canaries'.
COVID: Hospitalizations up; 11 state records; WHO questions lockdowns

Well it seems as though the world health organization is now controlled by greedy Republicans now.
 
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What is it about Mammon that there has to be a point when you've had enough?
Christians believe that people should have little to no concern for mammon and that the lives of people are vastly more important. It is a fundamental Christian tenet. Without that belief it is virtually impossible to understand God's Love and the Salvation that Christ brings to us.
 
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Two other differences.

The left believes that climate change is manmade and real. The left also believes that epidemiologists and virologists should direct our pandemic response, and that economic recovery will never be realized until Americans are reassured that all necessary steps are being taken to allow us, as much as possible, to move about freely but cautiously.

The right evaluates climate change through the prism of business profits--not heeding the devastating effects that hurricanes, forest fires, floods and other natural disasters have on human lives and our economy. The right looks at the pandemic as an economic problem and believes they can force the economy to behave by mocking the health conscious and bullying businesses and schools into fully reopening without giving them the proper support to make the necessary safety improvements.

It is also a matter of the rights of individuals rather than the recognition that we are all in this together. These are both important concepts. We should have rights as individuals, but we also need to sublimate those rights for the greater good. This is the case in mask wearing, for example. Wearing a mask is a small sacrifice when weighed against the spread of a sometimes deadly virus to hundreds of millions of people.

I believe that Democrats have a far better sense of balance between indivdual and community rights. Even in matters of taxation and the social safety net, supporting programs that help the aspiring poor and middle class builds a strong, vast group of consumers. When the 1% supports these programs through higher taxes, they "lose" a portion of their income, but they "gain" because they have more skin in the game. Consumer spending drives stock prices up--and the 1% own more stocks. Consumer spending helps businesses prosper--and the 1% own more businesses. Consumer spending helps increase the job market--and that means fewer poor people.
 
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The Right cares about money and the Left about people?

Yes that's exactly it. Also, the difference between Aryans and Jews is that the blood of the gods flows through Aryan veins while Jews eat babies and practice witchcraft.

I'm glad people are finally seeing the light on these things. :rolleyes:
 
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I don't know if this is a measure of failure or success but this thread has now gone on long enough to trigger Godwin's Law:

"as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"
 
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I don't know if this is a measure of failure or success but this thread has now gone on long enough to trigger Godwin's Law:

"as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"
4 pages, that’s an impressive length for the debate section of CF.
 
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Yes that's exactly it. Also, the difference between Aryans and Jews is that the blood of the gods flows through Aryan veins while Jews eat babies and practice witchcraft.

I'm glad people are finally seeing the light on these things. :rolleyes:
Aside from being completely false, your statement about Aryans and Jews is extremely racist, anti-Semitic, and hateful.
 
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4 pages, that’s an impressive length for the debate section of CF.

It's astounding for a thread I've started, they usually go as far as I post, often 5 posts, and then stop dead with zero replies.
 
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Aside from being completely false, your statement about Aryans and Jews is extremely racist, anti-Semitic, and hateful.
That’s his point. We’re meant to understand he takes umbrage with OP’s one-sided oversimplification of the differences between the right and the left, not that he’s an actual white supremacist.
 
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Aside from being completely false, your statement about Aryans and Jews is extremely racist, anti-Semitic, and hateful.

I think he's trying to say that my dichotomy in the title is just as false as the one he is presenting as an example. He may have also been deliberately invoking Godwin.
 
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It's astounding for a thread I've started, they usually go as far as I post, often 5 posts, and then stop dead with zero replies.
Would you rather have a thread of yours fizzle out quickly, or deteriorate into Nazi analogies back and forth for 100 pages?
 
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Christians believe that people should have little to no concern for mammon and that the lives of people are vastly more important. It is a fundamental Christian tenet. Without that belief it is virtually impossible to understand God's Love and the Salvation that Christ brings to us.
If mammon is as worthless as you say it is, why would the question be "when is enough mammon enough"? One would think they would replace "mammon" with something of value like money, or possessions.
 
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Would you rather have a thread of yours fizzle out quickly, or deteriorate into Nazi analogies back and forth for 100 pages?

Good question

I don't know if this is a measure of failure or success but this thread has now gone on long enough to trigger Godwin's Law:

"as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"

I started a thread '10 Step Recovery' the intent was to specify 10 changes needed to fix the US economy, healthcare system and environment in just 10 steps, but it died completely and I never bothered to go beyond 5 due to total lack of interest.

Threads have a mind of their own, but one with no replies is a failure and one that goes Nazi isn't any better.
 
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