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Right v Left - would this sum up the difference?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by MorkandMindy, Oct 17, 2020.

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  1. MorkandMindy

    MorkandMindy Senior Veteran Supporter

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    The Right cares about money and the Left about people?


    By 'Left' I don't mean all Democrats, but the true Left.

    The difference would be seen if for example a pandemic disease hit the planet and the Right Wing countries would keep people at their jobs to protect the economy and take a wait-and-see approach to how dangerous the disease turns out to be, risking people rather than money.

    And in a more Right Wing country the low-paid being very close to insolvent, would agree with that approach.

    A more to the Left country would close more down in case it was a dangerous disease rather than use expendable 'human canaries'.
     
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  2. SimplyMe

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    I know Republicans that would strongly reject that idea, that they would say they help people become successful, rather than just offering them a handout (possibly even using the saying, give a man a fish... teach a man to fish....)

    OTOH, if we look at Europe, I think it would show some amount of truth to your idea. In Europe, governments seemed more involved in trying to help their population -- having lots of holidays, mandating businesses provide generous vacation days, and ensuring that workers can/do take their vacation days), ensuring everyone has health care, etc.

    By contrast, it seems everything in the US is centered around money and business; including the idea that money equal speech, tying most benefits to a job (healthcare and other benefits), etc.

    I'll admit, it isn't actually that simple but, at least on a superficial level, it does seem to have a lot of truth to it.
     
  3. NerdGirl123

    NerdGirl123 If only we could be ourselves...

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    People cannot live without money. Society doesn't function without an economy. Keeping people at their jobs and their businesses running is not "caring about money instead of people". It's the opposite in fact.

    Putting millions of people out of work and forcing thousands of businesses to close down permanently is not valuing people over money, either.

    In light of the pandemic, since that seems to be the slant of this thread, I would say the Right cares more about freedom, personal choices, and acting in a rational manner, while the Left cares more about mass hysteria, panic, and acting like a nanny state.
     
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  4. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    Overall, this is how I see it. Having been a conservative in the past i know for a fact that money/capital is their standard and for some of them caring about people comes in second (for the rest of them caring about people only matters if it makes money, otherwise it doesn't matter at all).

    On the left, they care more about putting people first. Some of them have warped values in not applying that to the unborn and some of them care more about themselves as opposed to people in general, but most of them seem to care about people in general over money. It may even be selfishly driven for many of them, in the sense that they believe in a society where people are generally put first then they themselves will be put first when they need to be (e.g. when they are sick, hungry, poor, etc.).

    As a Christian, my values align much more with the overall caring for people and my values are almost directly opposed to putting importance on money, especially over lives. I couldn't be a conservative in today's political landscape and serve the Lord at the same time - my conscience (the Holy Spirit) would never let me.
     
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  5. Albion

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    Invalid comparison.

    So...you're hypothesizing about something that hasn't happened and there's no reason to think it will. But you are still asking if this scenario actually sums up the difference between right and left????
     
  6. Ken-1122

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    How are you defining the difference?
    Can you give examples of right wing countries, and examples of left wing countries?
     
  7. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    Yet many countries that are considered more "left", etc, are now starting to provide far better lives for the great majority of it's or their citizens now, than the US is anymore or now, etc, and most of them don't have all this left wing right wing crap, or two sides political BS that the US does right now, etc...

    And are you going to tell me that "greed", and with some, absolutely insatiable and unsatisfiable greed, doesn't have anything to do with it or that at all, etc...?

    Cause I think it most certainly does, etc...

    And that kind of course can only lead to one end, that does not end well for anybody or anyone, etc...

    And I think we are now just starting to see that now here in the US, etc...

    And that "that" is the main reason for all the rebellion, and revolution, and social and political upheaval, etc...

    Almost like America's foundations are being shaken, etc...

    God Bless!
     
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  8. Yttrium

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    The Left is concerned about helping the needy. Christians on the left are inspired by the teachings of Jesus in this regard. The Left wants less of a gap between the wealthy and poor. They don't want to get rid of capitalism, just put limits and controls on it so that the poor don't get left behind. However, taking care of everybody through social programs gets expensive, and taxes can become a real problem if the programs become excessive. The Left is also concerned about social equality and human rights.

    The Right traditionally is more concerned about personal freedoms and states' rights. They dislike controls on capitalism, and want a smaller government with less taxes. However, this can lead to the unscrupulous gaining wealth at the expense of the poor and the environment if it goes too far. Folks on the Right traditionally feel that providing for the needy is better done by private charities than the government, and that certain attempts to foster social equality for some can infringe on religious liberties of others.

    I say "traditionally" with regards to the Right, because Trump came in and messed up the Right pretty bad. I'm not sure where their values are any more, as they descend into countless whacky conspiracy theories. I hope they can straighten themselves out when Trump leaves office.
     
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  9. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    But you are right about one thing right now though, right now a country cannot function without some kind of economy or economic system right now, it's just too bad that they all eventually go bankrupt, and all wind up feeding of it's or themselves with, or with given enough time, etc...

    But the more greedy a society is, the quicker it happens, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  10. Ken-1122

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    No. The right cares more about more individual freedom and less government control, and the left cares about less individual freedom and more government control
     
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  11. MIDutch

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    Oh, I don't know about that. trump's White House superspreader event didn't seem very rational to me.

    Although I guess happily sharing the coronavirus with their friends and colleagues and seeing which ones would get sick could be seen as "freedom and personal choice".

    As for "the nanny state"? I read that Jacinda Arden won an overwhelming, landslide re-election.

    Do you think trump will win by the same margins?
     
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  12. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    Freedom to do what, and be what, and to what end...?

    If the government doesn't put some kind of controls on runaway greed, then it will lead to a complete loss of all freedoms for all...

    God Bless!
     
  13. Ken-1122

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    I'm not saying one is right the other is wrong, there needs to be a balance. I'm just pointing out the difference.
     
  14. Rachel20

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    We've been doing the left-right turns at power for how long (?) and have you seen any real changes under either that match their rhetoric? The poor stay poor under democrat control. Government grows bigger under repubs. Beginning to think it really is a scam. So ask yourself, why does liberal California have one of the country's biggest homelessness problems? Or liberty-loving (supposedly) repub POTUS endorse things like Patriot Act or NDAA?
     
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  15. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    I 100% agree with you, but now, how do we achieve or strike that balance, so it will not all end in total or complete chaos or disaster for us all...?

    Cause I fear we won't get it figured out soon enough, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  16. Ken-1122

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    Everybody wants a balance, it’s just that we can’t agree on what that balance should be, hence the problem we face.
     
  17. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    I would just like to ask, especially American individuals, "when is it, or when will it ever be enough", etc...?

    And I hope you get what I mean when I say that, etc, cause it's not just only the government or the politicians that are to blame, etc...

    There is also a kind of sickness, or disease, in individuals as well, etc, that is only reflected (and played upon) by our higher ups in our American society and in our government, etc...

    The Bible talks a great deal about being satisfied with what you have, etc, but really, how many individuals in our society do we see that are truly truly like this, etc...?

    Cause our higher ups, and our government, and our system, is only a reflection of that, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  18. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    Yeah, I don't know either really, I'm just very concerned, etc...

    God Bless!
     
  19. Ken-1122

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    Enough of what?
     
  20. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    And another problem is, is if you run into those who are satisfied or are content with what they have, it will eventually be taken by those who, probably already have much more, but are not satisfied or content with what they have, etc...

    To the detriment, and eventual extreme poverty, of us all, etc...

    "Of us all", etc, eventually, etc...

    God Bless!
     
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