My Marble Challenge

[VirOptimus]

Let's test your theory, shall we?

If a [whatever I want] is created ex nihilo, raising the amount of mass/energy in the universe accordingly, is it wrong to deny it on the basis of not having evidence of same?

Nope -- doesn't make my challenge a failure.

Doing the same thing expecting different results is a sign of insanity.

 

[AV1611VET]

Doing the same thing expecting different results is a sign of insanity.

So much for your theory then.

 

[VirOptimus]

So much for your theory then.

I dont have a ”theory”, I stated a fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

I dont have a ”theory”, I stated a fact.

Then test it.

And while you're at it, feel free to vote in my pole.

Like five others did.

 

[VirOptimus]

Then test it.

And while you're at it, feel free to vote in my pole.

Like five others did.

You got the answers from me that the OP merited.

 

[AV1611VET]

You got the answers from me that the OP merited.

Fair enough.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

If a marble is created ex nihilo, raising the amount of mass/energy in the universe accordingly, is it wrong to deny it on the basis of not having evidence of same?

Is it wrong to state categorically that it did not happen? Sure, just as it would be wrong to make the claim that it did happen without any evidence. But that's not the reason we would deny such an event. Stating that such an event goes against everything we know about physics =/= stating categorically that it didn't happen, it merely says we cannot see how it is possible if our understanding of physics is correct.

What's your point?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it wrong to state categorically that it did not happen? Sure, just as it would be wrong to make the claim that it did happen without any evidence. But that's not the reason we would deny such an event. Stating that such an event goes against everything we know about physics =/= stating categorically that it didn't happen, it merely says we cannot see how it is possible if our understanding of physics is correct.

What's your point?

See why I call these things "challenges" now?

 

[Kylie]

If a marble is created ex nihilo, raising the amount of mass/energy in the universe accordingly, is it wrong to deny it on the basis of not having evidence of same?

If we can measure the corresponding increase in energy in the universe, then it would be wrong to say that such an event didn't happen, as we would have evidence of it.

If you can show similar evidence for God creating the Earth, I'll accept that as evidence for creation too.

 

[Kylie]

Scientifically marbles do not pop in and out of existence. They SHOULD because quantum physics should apply to large objects as well, but they don't, for some reason.

Because a marble is not just a single particle buy many, and all the quantum events cancel each other out.

It's like saying that since you can flip one coin and get tails, you should be able to flip a hundred coins and get all tails just as easily. The probabilities cancel each other out and the hundred coins will nearly always work out to a roughly 50/50 split each time.

 

[AV1611VET]

If we can measure the corresponding increase in energy in the universe,

Which, of course, you can't.

 

[Kylie]

Which, of course, you can't.

How convenient.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

See why I call these things "challenges" now?

No, I don't. So allow me to ask again - what's your point?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I don't. So allow me to ask again - what's your point?

Unless one is omniscient to the amount of mass/energy in the universe before and after an object is created ex nihilo, one cannot scientifically claim evidence of same.

Put another way, we have no evidence God created the Earth, and must rely on His documentation.

 

[durangodawood]

If a marble is created ex nihilo, raising the amount of mass/energy in the universe accordingly, is it wrong to deny it on the basis of not having evidence of same?

So a marble gets created but there's no evidence of the marble being created?

 

[AV1611VET]

So a marble gets created but there's no evidence of the marble being created?

What evidence would you expect it leaves? plasma cloud? ion trail? microwave background? time crystals?

 

[durangodawood]

What evidence would you expect it leaves? plasma cloud? ion trail? microwave background? time crystals?

It might displace other matter.

Mainly I just wanted some clarification on your challenge.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mainly I just wanted some clarification on your challenge.

It's all in the OP.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Unless one is omniscient to the amount of mass/energy in the universe before and after an object is created ex nihilo, one cannot scientifically claim evidence of same.

Put another way, we have no evidence God created the Earth, and must rely on His documentation.

Excellent. We now have you admitting that the bible is not evidence. Was that the challenge?

Queue handwaving, backtracking and denial.

 

[AV1611VET]

Excellent. We now have you admitting that the bible is not evidence. Was that the challenge?

A marble is created ex nihilo.

I said nothing about the Bible in my OP.