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In all of scripture - God's warnings, rightly understood, were given to spare people some dire consequence. So then this is about people ignoring that warning and then experiencing the event being warned about, where you need the information God gives to come out on the right side of survival/fail.
And of course his end-times warnings in the Bible are "off the charts" loud and in your face drastic. (See Rev 13 for example)
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Here is the BIG question
If you look at the subforums and each of their titles for this area of the board - all the different end-times scenarios... then:
1. "What difference does it make?" - for the one ignoring all of it?
In other words "so what"?
Can you name any risk at all for the person who says
"I accept Christ as savior - I read only the 4 gospels... (but not Matt 24 or any section dealing with end times) .. I ignore everything in the Bible that talks about the last days... that's it"??
Do any of the end-time options so popular today - claim that such a person who is choosing to "ignore it all" - has even one iota of risk??
They all have that same problem: (all that are commonly seen today) -- so that includes
pre-trib pre-mill
mid-trib pre-mill
post-trib pre-mill (the common form of post trib)
post-mill
amill
etc.
2. Second question: Can you name one single instance in scripture where a big crisis event was coming up - and lots of dire warnings about it in the Bible from God Himself - and YET - deliberately ignoring that warning results in "no risk at all" for the one doing it??
Test case example ------------------------------------------
Someone in Noah's day - chooses to serve God, not worship any false God's - say prayers and be positive ... and also ignore everything related to Noah and his message staying right where he is 1200 miles from Noah. He is saying "I have never seen it rain - and I don't know who did or did not speak to Noah... too hard for me to figure out so I am going to stay right here and be good".
That person would most certainly be "at risk" if he considered drowning in a world-wide-flood along with all his family and friends -- a negative thing.
Noah's message warned of a harsh consequence - but if a person decided that they don't really mind suffering that harsh consequence well then they get what they expect. The whole point of the warning was to avoid the harsh consequence.
So what about today? In today's world do all these warnings have any downside at all for the one choosing to ignore them? As long as that person is born-again and reads those 4 gospels (sans the sections warning about end times?)
(Some might point out that if you die before the event happens that you are being warned about even happens -- then it STILL does not matter how much you knew about the warning. That scenario is "a given" - I don't think anyone debates against it.)
==================================== bottom line
If the scenarios are defective then one sign of it will be that the information they claim to convey in the scenario they describe - has no negative consequence (no risk) for someone who has very basic Christian understanding but refuses (or neglects) to be informed by the scenario.
I.e. their answer to "so what?" is "so nothing".
And of course his end-times warnings in the Bible are "off the charts" loud and in your face drastic. (See Rev 13 for example)
=======================
Here is the BIG question
If you look at the subforums and each of their titles for this area of the board - all the different end-times scenarios... then:
1. "What difference does it make?" - for the one ignoring all of it?
In other words "so what"?
Can you name any risk at all for the person who says
"I accept Christ as savior - I read only the 4 gospels... (but not Matt 24 or any section dealing with end times) .. I ignore everything in the Bible that talks about the last days... that's it"??
Do any of the end-time options so popular today - claim that such a person who is choosing to "ignore it all" - has even one iota of risk??
They all have that same problem: (all that are commonly seen today) -- so that includes
pre-trib pre-mill
mid-trib pre-mill
post-trib pre-mill (the common form of post trib)
post-mill
amill
etc.
2. Second question: Can you name one single instance in scripture where a big crisis event was coming up - and lots of dire warnings about it in the Bible from God Himself - and YET - deliberately ignoring that warning results in "no risk at all" for the one doing it??
Test case example ------------------------------------------
Someone in Noah's day - chooses to serve God, not worship any false God's - say prayers and be positive ... and also ignore everything related to Noah and his message staying right where he is 1200 miles from Noah. He is saying "I have never seen it rain - and I don't know who did or did not speak to Noah... too hard for me to figure out so I am going to stay right here and be good".
That person would most certainly be "at risk" if he considered drowning in a world-wide-flood along with all his family and friends -- a negative thing.
Noah's message warned of a harsh consequence - but if a person decided that they don't really mind suffering that harsh consequence well then they get what they expect. The whole point of the warning was to avoid the harsh consequence.
So what about today? In today's world do all these warnings have any downside at all for the one choosing to ignore them? As long as that person is born-again and reads those 4 gospels (sans the sections warning about end times?)
(Some might point out that if you die before the event happens that you are being warned about even happens -- then it STILL does not matter how much you knew about the warning. That scenario is "a given" - I don't think anyone debates against it.)
==================================== bottom line
If the scenarios are defective then one sign of it will be that the information they claim to convey in the scenario they describe - has no negative consequence (no risk) for someone who has very basic Christian understanding but refuses (or neglects) to be informed by the scenario.
I.e. their answer to "so what?" is "so nothing".
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