"Flat Earth" or "Globe Earth"

[GreekOrthodox]

NASA invented Photoshop for the purpose of creating fake earth pictures. It's the only rational explanation, plus the lizard people told me so.

-CryptoLutheran

Pshah, lizard people. Illuminati... oh shouldnt have revealed that.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It gets even crazier. There is no gravity. The Earth is moving upward and momentum keeps us on the ground. What causes this upward movement? Dark energy.
Flat Earth - Frequently Asked Questions

 

[GreekOrthodox]

It gets even crazier. There is no gravity. The Earth is moving upward and momentum keeps us on the ground. What causes this upward movement? Dark energy.
Flat Earth - Frequently Asked Questions

WOW... Earth is not a planet, but everything revolves around us, ya know, we're special! Although Boston was declared to be the Hub of the Universe

"Planets (from Ancient Greek ἀστὴρ πλανήτης [astēr planētēs, "wandering star"], or just πλανήτης [planḗtēs, "wanderer"]) are orbiting astronomical objects. The Earth is not a planet by definition, as it sits at the centre of our solar system above which the planets and the Sun revolve. The Earth's uniqueness, fundamental differences and centrality makes any comparison to other nearby celestial bodies insufficient - Like comparing basketballs to the court on which they bounce."

 

[d taylor]

What is great about this flat earth debate, unlike a debate over who is the greatest sport athlete or team, etc..(pick your sport) which is just basically a matter of opinion and a factor of the time they played in.

This debate will have an ending, with the eventual revealing of the science lie of a globe earth, outer space, evolution and all the baggage that accompanies these lies.

The Bible will then be recognized as the absolute truth and true work of art by God that it is.

With accounts from the Bible as given in Joshua 10:12-15 be understood as a true account of an event as given in the Bible. And will not have to be twisted to match the science lie.

 

[Strong in Him]

This debate will have an ending, with the eventual revealing of the science lie of a globe earth, outer space, evolution and all the baggage that accompanies these lies.

Are you sure about that?

The Bible will then be recognized as the absolute truth and true work of art by God that it is.

It won't.
1. If people don't want to believe the Bible, they won't believe the Bible. They'll find something else - like maybe the timing of the 2nd coming - to "prove" that it can't be trusted and therefore they don't need to read it.
2. The big problem with this debate is a) it takes people's eyes off Jesus. Christians get so bogged down in trying to prove a flat earth because they perceive that this will prove the Bible is true, that they never get around to asking "what do you think of Jesus?" "do you know if you're going to heaven?" and any of the really important questions. B) people who know about science, astronomy, fossils, the history of the earth and know what they are talking about, just dismiss Christians as being uniformed, naive and untrustworthy - I've seen it on the BBC religion discussion boards. C) the Bible was not written to teach science; reading it as a scientific textbook, when clearly it isn't one, is foolish and completely missing the point. And d) this debate has nothing to do with salvation. In time, a flat earther COULD be shown to be right - it doesn't mean they are saved, or even Christian. Whereas someone who lived their lives declaring that the earth was round COULD be proved to be wrong - yet they will be the ones with eternal life.

 

[JacksBratt]

Are you sure about that?



It won't.
1. If people don't want to believe the Bible, they won't believe the Bible. They'll find something else - like maybe the timing of the 2nd coming - to "prove" that it can't be trusted and therefore they don't need to read it.

So, they are going to use the predicted timing of the second coming, when it fails.. to prove that the bible cannot be trusted.. when the bible plainly states that you cannot predict the date of the second coming?
OK...sounds legit...

2. The big problem with this debate is a) it takes people's eyes off Jesus. Christians get so bogged down in trying to prove a flat earth because they perceive that this will prove the Bible is true, that they never get around to asking "what do you think of Jesus?" "do you know if you're going to heaven?" and any of the really important questions.

Whether the FE is in fact true or false.. what is true is that people are coming to Christ because they have came to believe that the earth is flat.

B) people who know about science, astronomy, fossils, the history of the earth and know what they are talking about, just dismiss Christians as being uniformed, naive and untrustworthy - I've seen it on the BBC religion discussion boards.

Christians and scientists argue about far more than the shape of the earth. Are you going to believe the words of someone in a white lab coat with a bunch of letters after their name... who is schooled in atheism.... or... are you going to believe the word of God?

Because, a scientist will tell you that you cannot turn water to wine, instantaneously.. A man cannot walk across a sea on water. You cannot feed a crowd of more than 5000 hungry people with five buns and two salty fish and then.. pick up 12 baskets of leftovers... You cannot stand up in a boat, in the middle of a storm and shout for it to stop... and have it stop..

So... just when are we supposed to listen to these "scientists" and when are we to believe this biblical truths?

C) the Bible was not written to teach science; reading it as a scientific textbook, when clearly it isn't one, is foolish and completely missing the point.

A text does not have to be a science book to contain truth about science. You do know that Moses was told by God to have his people dig a hole and go to the washroom in it.. the cover it over... long before the science behind it would have made sense...

They were also told to wash their hands in running water...

That life was in the blood.

Hebrews 11:3 explains that things we see are made up of things that we cannot see.. like atoms.

Job 38:24 talks of the fact that light can be divided and a prism proves it.

(Psalm 139:13-16) talks of how DNA is a book where all your "members" are written.

The list goes on.. The bible is not a science book but it contains a lot of information that, later, science proved.

d) this debate has nothing to do with salvation. In time, a flat earther COULD be shown to be right - it doesn't mean they are saved, or even Christian. Whereas someone who lived their lives declaring that the earth was round COULD be proved to be wrong - yet they will be the ones with eternal life.

You are right.. It has nothing to do with salvation.. Nothing to do with anything really.. I could go on and live to be 109 and not care one bit...

The real issue is not a salvation issue.. Especially not for Christians.. The problem is this... IF the FE is the correct model.... it matters not other than what the governments, scientists and military have told us is a huge lie... And..... a FE model is far far more conducive to a loving God who made us in His image and is close by watching us as the center of His world.


Your name here is "Strong in Him".... One word of advice.. I hope you are strong in Him because there is true science out there that flies our airplanes, heats our homes, cures our sickness, cleans our floors, powers our computers, and many other things.. Science is out there and true...

However, there is a lot of "Science" that is based on math and formulae that only a handful of people understand.. and much more that is just lies and deceit that is designed to take you away from the truth of your creator..

You believe it because that is what they have taught you..

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”

― Nikola Tesla

 

[Blade]

Have you ever just listen to those that believe flat earth? I haver. Then searched more and more. I personally believe MAN has lied to us about SPACE and this planet. Do I believe the world is flat? Na.. every "story" "dream" "vision" by believers about this earth. No one has ever seen a flat earth. Its always round. This proves nothing.. just thought.. hmm

Man.. man telling me about whats in the SUN whats in side every planet around us. Whats inside out own earth. Yet.. they have only went down what 7.5miles. And they KNOW whats in the planet.

I think "horrifying" way over the top here lol. If you truly want to know what I think.. its not what I see..its the REALM I can't see. Where the word says THATS more real then what I see hear feel smell taste on and on. Flat round .. this is not the REAL realm.

"and Elisha prayed, "Open his eyes, LORD, so that he may see." Then the LORD opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha." <---this is whats real. And THOSE Chariots of fire and all those angels? YEAH are OUR family! THIS is what I want to see.. and never leave

 

[d taylor]

Are you sure about that?



It won't.
1. If people don't want to believe the Bible, they won't believe the Bible. They'll find something else - like maybe the timing of the 2nd coming - to "prove" that it can't be trusted and therefore they don't need to read it.
2. The big problem with this debate is a) it takes people's eyes off Jesus. Christians get so bogged down in trying to prove a flat earth because they perceive that this will prove the Bible is true, that they never get around to asking "what do you think of Jesus?" "do you know if you're going to heaven?" and any of the really important questions. B) people who know about science, astronomy, fossils, the history of the earth and know what they are talking about, just dismiss Christians as being uniformed, naive and untrustworthy - I've seen it on the BBC religion discussion boards. C) the Bible was not written to teach science; reading it as a scientific textbook, when clearly it isn't one, is foolish and completely missing the point. And d) this debate has nothing to do with salvation. In time, a flat earther COULD be shown to be right - it doesn't mean they are saved, or even Christian. Whereas someone who lived their lives declaring that the earth was round COULD be proved to be wrong - yet they will be the ones with eternal life.

What does accurately describing God's creation by the creator have to do with science.

Never said the shape of the has any salvation purpose.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

So what we call the Southern Hemisphere would have to get bigger instead of smaller, as in distance between longitude parallels. It would seem pretty easy to measure. No?

 

[NW82]

Job 26:7 is not supported by the Bible to read hangeth on nothing. The verse has been wrongly translated, simply to match the science lie.

Would kindly provide reference data to back that up?

 

[d taylor]

So, they are going to use the predicted timing of the second coming, when it fails.. to prove that the bible cannot be trusted.. when the bible plainly states that you cannot predict the date of the second coming?
OK...sounds legit...



Whether the FE is in fact true or false.. what is true is that people are coming to Christ because they have came to believe that the earth is flat.




Christians and scientists argue about far more than the shape of the earth. Are you going to believe the words of someone in a white lab coat with a bunch of letters after their name... who is schooled in atheism.... or... are you going to believe the word of God?

Because, a scientist will tell you that you cannot turn water to wine, instantaneously.. A man cannot walk across a sea on water. You cannot feed a crowd of more than 5000 hungry people with five buns and two salty fish and then.. pick up 12 baskets of leftovers... You cannot stand up in a boat, in the middle of a storm and shout for it to stop... and have it stop..

So... just when are we supposed to listen to these "scientists" and when are we to believe this biblical truths?



A text does not have to be a science book to contain truth about science. You do know that Moses was told by God to have his people dig a hole and go to the washroom in it.. the cover it over... long before the science behind it would have made sense...

They were also told to wash their hands in running water...

That life was in the blood.

Hebrews 11:3 explains that things we see are made up of things that we cannot see.. like atoms.

Job 38:24 talks of the fact that light can be divided and a prism proves it.

(Psalm 139:13-16) talks of how DNA is a book where all your "members" are written.

The list goes on.. The bible is not a science book but it contains a lot of information that, later, science proved.



You are right.. It has nothing to do with salvation.. Nothing to do with anything really.. I could go on and live to be 109 and not care one bit...

The real issue is not a salvation issue.. Especially not for Christians.. The problem is this... IF the FE is the correct model.... it matters not other than what the governments, scientists and military have told us is a huge lie... And..... a FE model is far far more conducive to a loving God who made us in His image and is close by watching us as the center of His world.


Your name here is "Strong in Him".... One word of advice.. I hope you are strong in Him because there is true science out there that flies our airplanes, heats our homes, cures our sickness, cleans our floors, powers our computers, and many other things.. Science is out there and true...

However, there is a lot of "Science" that is based on math and formulae that only a handful of people understand.. and much more that is just lies and deceit that is designed to take you away from the truth of your creator..

You believe it because that is what they have taught you..

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”

― Nikola Tesla

I have begin to think really what would be the purpose of God creating an unending space with millions/billions/trillions etc.. of planets sun etc.. what would be the need for satan to focus his efforts here. Or even God in His punishment of satan, why keep satan here on earth banish him trillions of miles away.

The reason is, that this is it, this is Gods creation, The Earth and Heavens, many time this is stated in the Bible. So why does satan focus his efforts here, on earth because there is no other place to go.

He will be judged here and imprisoned here somewhere on earth in the lake of fire.
Same as the bottomless pit how can a globe earth have a bottomless pit, this pit would eventually come on on the other side of a globe earth.

People simply have to dismiss a lot of the Bible to make their beliefs square with a globe earth.

 

[d taylor]

Would kindly provide reference data to back that up?

First i have to ask. Do you believe scripture interprets scripture, and that is the only way to determined the text of a verse who reading is not easily understood in the translation. And that outside information has no help in determining the reading of a verse.

 

[Zachm531]

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Cartoons are your proof?

 

[JacksBratt]

I have begin to think really what would be the purpose of God creating an unending space with millions/billions/trillions etc.. of planets sun etc.. what would be the need for satan to focus his efforts here. Or even God in His punishment of satan, why keep satan here on earth banish him trillions of miles away.

The reason is, that this is it, this is Gods creation, The Earth and Heavens, many time this is stated in the Bible. So why does satan focus his efforts here, on earth because there is no other place to go.

He will be judged here and imprisoned here somewhere on earth in the lake of fire.
Same as the bottomless pit how can a globe earth have a bottomless pit, this pit would eventually come on on the other side of a globe earth.

People simply have to dismiss a lot of the Bible to make their beliefs square with a globe earth.

That's a very interesting view that I have never heard before.. It's nice to have new ideas here.

 

[PaulCyp1]

It would probably help a lot to take a look at the photographs of the Earth taken by many different satellites.

 

[Strong in Him]

So, they are going to use the predicted timing of the second coming, when it fails.. to prove that the bible cannot be trusted.. when the bible plainly states that you cannot predict the date of the second coming?

I doubt that non Christians know that.
All they see are the news headlines where someone is proclaiming the end of the world, some people have given away possessions etc because they are so convinced it will happen - and all the red faces when it doesn't. If they read/hear these people say the end is coming because the Bible says ..... and then it doesn't, what are they going to think?

If they, similarly, hear Christians saying "the world is flat because the Bible says ......", and then hear other evidence that it isn't flat, the most likely conclusion they will draw is that the Bible is false and Christians don't know what they are talking about.

Whether the FE is in fact true or false.. what is true is that people are coming to Christ because they have came to believe that the earth is flat.

Well if they are coming to Christ, that is good - as long as they don't leave him again when they find out that they believed a lie.

There are a number of people who are scientists and Christians, who believe, and teach, that the world is round - and yet still believe and read the Bible as God's word.

Christians and scientists argue about far more than the shape of the earth. Are you going to believe the words of someone in a white lab coat with a bunch of letters after their name... who is schooled in atheism.... or... are you going to believe the word of God?

Firstly, you are making the assumption that scientists are atheists. Many may be, but some are Christians, and may have become Christians since they started studying science. I have heard people say that their scientific studies affirm their belief in God and his creation, not contradict it.
Secondly, the Bible does not teach science, the shape/age of the earth or anything else - its purpose is to reveal God.

Because, a scientist will tell you that you cannot turn water to wine, instantaneously.. A man cannot walk across a sea on water. You cannot feed a crowd of more than 5000 hungry people with five buns and two salty fish and then.. pick up 12 baskets of leftovers... You cannot stand up in a boat, in the middle of a storm and shout for it to stop... and have it stop..

Those are miracles, performed by the God who created this universe and has power over it. They are what happens when God shows his power and miraculously intervenes to heal, feed and save people. They reveal God, his power, his love, care and salvation.
They are completely different from saying "the Bible teaches that the earth is flat" or any particular shape.

A text does not have to be a science book to contain truth about science.

The Bible doesn't contain the "truth about science" - that is not its purpose.

There have been a tonne of scientific discoveries since the Bible was written and compiled.
Does the Bible teach about aeroplanes? Could people in Bible times have conceived that one day we would be able to go thousands of feet into the air and be taken from one place to another? Doubt it. Does the Bible teach about mobile phones, or being able to communicate like this; on a machine with someone who lives 1000s of miles away? Did Jesus say "you don't need to go into the world to make disciples; just Skype people, or go on social media"?
Scientists have discovered that all these things are possible. Are you going to ignore all modern day appliances, utilities and discoveries because the Bible doesn't teach them?

They were also told to wash their hands in running water...

That life was in the blood.

And?

Hebrews 11:3 explains that things we see are made up of things that we cannot see.. like atoms.

No.
Hebrews 11:3 does not mention atoms, and I doubt the writer even knew about such things. The context is that we have faith that God created everything from nothing - not that he created after someone else provided materials for him to create.
Taking a verse out of context and trying to make it fit a teaching reminds me of someone doing a jigsaw puzzle and forcing a piece to fit in a certain space because they think it should go there.

Job 38:24 talks of the fact that light can be divided and a prism proves it.

Job 38:24

What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?

By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

???
Nothing there about prisms.
One "mention" of light being divided does not prove that the Bible is a scientific textbook.

(Psalm 139:13-16) talks of how DNA is a book where all your "members" are written.

No.
No mention at all of DNA. David says that the days of our life were written in GOD'S book before we were even born - i.e God knows everything about our lives, even how long we will live.

The list goes on..

I don't doubt that, somewhere, there is a long list of out of context verses - they prove nothing.

The bible is not a science book but it contains a lot of information that, later, science proved.

The trouble is that the verses you have quoted do not show what you say they show.
You have found a reference to "light divided", and say that it proves a prism. You have found a reference to the days of our lives being written in God's book, and say that this refers to DNA. It doesn't.

The authors of those verses, and the people listening to/reading them, would not have thought "ah yes, that is describing DNA. How amazing that God talks of this hundreds of years before scientists discover it."

You are right.. It has nothing to do with salvation.. Nothing to do with anything really.. I could go on and live to be 109 and not care one bit...

So it's not that important; certainly not worth arguing about.

And..... a FE model is far far more conducive to a loving God who made us in His image and is close by watching us as the center of His world.

Not in the slightest.
I don't believe in a flat earth, yet I believe, and daily rejoice, that I am made in the image of a God who is love. I believe all people are made by him in his image. That is what leads me to treat people with compassion, care and understanding - they too were made by my Father. I am not unique in this belief - every Christian that I know believes in, and affirms, the love, and creativity, of God - and believes that the earth is round.
And God is not merely "close by; he is IN us, or can be if we ask him to be.
We are precious to him because he made us and his Son died for us - that is not at all the same as saying that the earth is the centre of the universe.

Your name here is "Strong in Him".... One word of advice.. I hope you are strong in Him because there is true science out there that flies our airplanes, heats our homes, cures our sickness, cleans our floors, powers our computers, and many other things.. Science is out there and true...

Never said it wasn't.
God gave everyone their gifts, and the ability to discover, experiment and discover his awesome creation. It all comes from him. John 1:2 says that NOTHING exists that was not made through Jesus - it is not possible for someone to claim that they did it all themselves, by their own power and intelligence. Whatever they believe, the Bible says that everything comes from, and is given by, God.

You believe it because that is what they have taught you..

I could say the same about you.
You have been told to read the Bible a certain way and that it is somehow at odds with "evil" scientists, so you believe it.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

A flat and stationary creation.

Under your theory then the fine folks in china should see the sunrise at the same time as those in New York.




case closed you lose

 

[Strong in Him]

What does accurately describing God's creation by the creator have to do with science.

The Bible doesn't describe the shape of God's creation; that is not its purpose.
The Bible talks about the 4 corners of the earth, Ezekiel 7:2, Revelation 7:1 and also the pillars of the earth, Job 9:6; Psalms 75:3. Is the earth square or rectangular? What are these pillars it stands on and what do they stand on/are they anchored to? What about the pillars of heaven, Job 26:11? What do they stand on?

 

[Chris V++]

Why is it that i can conduct long ocean transits using spherical trigonometry? I can plot a celestial fix using spherical trig. On a flat earth, this wouldn't be possible. Given a flat earth, a great circle voyage route should never get a boat from point A to B on long voyages.

The Bible doesn't describe the shape of God's creation; that is not its purpose.
The Bible talks about the 4 corners of the earth, Ezekiel 7:2, Revelation 7:1 and also the pillars of the earth, Job 9:6; Psalms 75:3. Is the earth square or rectangular? What are these pillars it stands on and what do they stand on/are they anchored to? What about the pillars of heaven, Job 26:11? What do they stand on?

'4 corners of the earth' and 'pillars of the earth' are figurative expressions.
Like in
Revelation 3:12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God.

or
Galatians 2:9
and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.'




God is also a poet.

 

[Jermayn]

Cartoons are your proof?

You can go to any beach in the world and watch the ships sail over the horizon, or watch a lunar eclipse. Are we really having this debate right now???