Misogyny is disgusting

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What’s wrong with a virginity pledge? Nothing except it’s not realistic. I remember my oldest ranting about how he was gonna not mastubate and other assorted non sexual sex stuff ...... and then puberty hit . I had a good laugh and told him not to mistreat and deceive girls just for sex.
Sure we need to be realistic but I think that can be a cop out. It is harder to remain celebrate today as there is more temptations in that the world around us is losing its inhibitions and this can be seen in many different ways which can be harder for a adolescent. But I think the point is about what expectations you set yourself in the first place. A virginity pledge is an attempt to place some value on a relationship. You may not meet those expectations but you have at least set some higher standards according to your beliefs.

Paul in the bible actually acknowledge human desire in that if a couple who were going to be married could not hold off being with each other then they should hurry up and get marriage. But to not have any goals or expectations is to open the door for problems as well. It is hard to draw the line when you don't set one. There is nothing wrong with drawing a line. People think that being a virgin there is something wrong with you which seems a pity as many say that it actually adds to the value and experience of a relationship.
 
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I never understood that line of reasoning. I mean, in my experience, the Christians who say to atheists, "Why do you attack something you don't even think is real," are also the Christians who tend to loudly attack evolution.

Well I think there’s a big difference between arguing about what actually took place in the past and condemning the actions of someone you believe to be a fictional character in an attempt to discredit that individual.
 
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What is wrong with a virginity pledge. It is not misogynistic as both parties make the commitment. Though I don't understand the tradition I cannot see a problem as it is committing to something that seems like a good thing to do in the light of out of marriage sex and all the other problems associated with teen sex.

It seems there is an outrage mentality at almost anything today. Though I don't agree with the extent to which this rapper has gone to ensure his daughter is safe and conforms to his ideas I do support a parent having some control of their children. After all parents are the legal guardians of children and teens under age. There are many examples of how they control their behavior such as stopping them from going to certain places, making them come home by a certain time. Part of this is monitoring their behavior. There are many examples of society controlling teens such as curfews etc. It is only natural that a concerned parent will want to know and sometimes overstep the line in wanting to protect their child.

All these individual rights ideologies can get a little out of hand and control themselves where we allow too many rights to young people who have not earn't them or are not ready for them. This has caused many young people to now defy authority and they play on the fact that no one can tell them what to do anymore by citing their rights. As a result we are now seeing the growth of defiance and a lack of respect for authority.

I would be more concerned if a parent is not monitoring and disciplining their child and allowing them to do things that will lead to problems. I think the basis from where this rapper is coming from is love and it is not about control but love. People just see or hear of someone doing something associated with control and rights and immediately jump on this rights thing and label everyone as a control freak and misogynistic especially if its a male and start bagging men. But this situations seems like an act of love perhaps gone a bot wrong. But perhaps no uncommon in some ways to how a concerned parent may act. How often as a parent have we checked on our children to see if they are not up to no good. Sure trust is important but nowadays its hard to tell.

Nowadays everything is about control, the right to not be controlled. I laugh at this sometimes as those who really think we are free today are deluding themselves. We are more under control than ever. The same politics that supposedly give us our rights on freedoms that people want to push are the same ones that deny us our freedom. There are more intrusions into our private lives than ever asking us to prove ourselves, our health status, age, income, employment, are we a drinker or smoker, what is our financial history, have we ever been in trouble with the law, had a traffic violation, been married, divorced etc etc. You cant do anything today without big brother watching over us. The big difference is this rapper seems to be doing it out of love and I doubt very much that the government or some big corp is doing things because they are concerned about us.
Virginity pledges and purity balls make a fetish out of something that truly doesn’t exist . When they use the term virgin for the other animals it just means the female hasn’t had a pregnancy yet . Since humans are animals I kinda prefer that since virginity in girls and women relies on something that doesn’t really exist . The vaginal corona aka the hymen HAS to have a hole in it otherwise menstrual blood, flesh and mucus becomes a dangerous bacteria laden ground for a serious life threatening infection. By having that hole in the corona already and also by being a useless remnant of fetal development, making this more important than a woman or girls emotional health or sometimes even her life, is disgusting! This whole concept is based on patriarchal ownership of women and pure fantasy. I agree with Kylie on that one.
 
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It is neither Godly, ethical nor moral to call humans animals, except when referring to the way they act when sinful.

Of course humans are an animal species, it crazy to suggest otherwise.
 
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It is neither Godly, ethical nor moral to call humans animals, except when referring to the way they act when sinful.
You’re a bilaterian, you’re a vertebrate, you’re a mammal , you’re a primate. You’re an animal ! Name one thing that humans do that animals don’t, besides make music .
 
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It is neither Godly, ethical nor moral to call humans animals, except when referring to the way they act when sinful.
Jeff. That's incorrect biologically. It's ignorant and unscientific to suggest otherwise.
 
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................................. BORN


................................. AGAIN !!!!!!!!
Well - Of course Buddhists believe we are born again several times. Christians believe we are only born and die once.

If you believe you get a second chance at life like Buddhists, then it might be a good idea to look after the planet - NOW!!
 
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Well - Of course Buddhists believe we are born again several times. Christians believe we are only born and die once.

If you believe you get a second chance at life like Buddhists, then it might be a good idea to look after the planet - NOW!!
The other religions are lost, according to the Creator of the Universe, the Giver of Life, the Father of Jesus the Messiah Savior King of the Jews.
What anyone outside of truth believes does not change what the Father in heaven does and says.
Christians(anyone for eternal life) know and believe we must be BORN AGAIN (born twice, DIE ONCE) OR it happens: born once, die twice,
as Jesus TOLD the Jews first, then the gentiles.

No one gets a second chance after dying physically, unless they are raised from the dead like Lazaarus, God Willing..... after their body is dead in the ground, gone, no one has a second chance. The other religions cannot save anyone at all, in this life nor in the next.
 
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What dogma ?

The 'born again' dogma, which is highly unpleasant, and can be very abusive, if it is forced on others with threats if they don't convert. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that nasty dogma.
 
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The 'born again' dogma, which is highly unpleasant, and can be very abusive, if it is forced on others with threats if they don't convert. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that nasty dogma.
OH, YOU DO KNOW!

and reject Jesus.... in spite of knowing....

that's bad.
 
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(i.e. if you do know/ are aware of/ the 'nasty' dogma, then

switch over to the pure, simple, wise, truth of being born again;

NOT AT ALL like the nasty dogma you saw (for sure) in people disobedient to Jesus OR

your perception of them... )
 
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Virginity pledges and purity balls make a fetish out of something that truly doesn’t exist . When they use the term virgin for the other animals it just means the female hasn’t had a pregnancy yet . Since humans are animals I kinda prefer that since virginity in girls and women relies on something that doesn’t really exist . The vaginal corona aka the hymen HAS to have a hole in it otherwise menstrual blood, flesh and mucus becomes a dangerous bacteria laden ground for a serious life threatening infection. By having that hole in the corona already and also by being a useless remnant of fetal development, making this more important that a woman or girls emotional health or sometimes even her life, is disgusting! This whole concept is based on patriarchal ownership of women and pure fantasy. I agree with Kylie on that one.


Humans are animals? Yes... on a Christian Forum. We are all children of God and above the animals as God told us in the Bible.
 
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Religious beliefs sometimes don’t reflect reality....and? Biologically humans are animals , period . I’m not an atheist and atheism has nothing to do with biology either
 
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Religious beliefs sometimes don’t reflect reality....and? Biologically humans are animals , period . I’m not an atheist and atheism has nothing to do with biology either


Biology is atheist.
 
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