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Then what exactly do you have collective ownership of? A claim of a possible maybe service which may not have any real value?
Does that seem remotely similar to the definition of socialism lol?
If the definition of "socialism" includes services, then yes.
That's a legal contract....that you willingly entered....and a bad one at that. My internet went down for 2 days once and my bill was adjusted accordingly. All I had to do was call the company and notify them. You entering a bad legal contract isn't the same.
Most of what you wrote was irrelevant to the point I was making, which was that the level of service guarantee I get form a public service (i.e. the FD) is similar to that I get from a private company.
As an aside - it's not a bad contract. It's a pretty typical consumer-grade contract. Your ISP may have refunded you for the time you paid for the outage, or maybe a bit more than that if they were feeling nice, but they didn't incur a penalty for failing to meet a guaranteed uptime. On a commercial account with a dedicated line, you can get guaranteed throughput speeds and guaranteed up-times where failure to meet those specs results in the provider paying a penalty substantially higher than what they charged for that amount of time in the first place. I used to help manage a small office where our T1 had a guaranteed uptime that would result in us getting an entire month's bill refunded if it was down (IIRC) more than a couple minutes over the course of a month.
How does the computer know what's on the screen? How did it already know Linux before someone wrote the computer language? How does it flip switches and how does it ever learn more words in the language? Can you give me an example of Linux coding and a step by step example of what happens when you type it in?
I don't even know what you're going on about. You're just obfuscating.
In Marx's understanding....products were the things or goods (material objects) created by the means of production (factories and their machinery) which can then be exchanged for capital.
A service would be work someone is obligated to perform for you for capital....like a chimney sweep or someone painting your house.
In Marx's definition, which is the one you all seem concerned about, we are entitled to collective ownership of the means of production (socialism) but not so for the work of services.
Was that so hard?
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