Trump Wants to Take From the Poor and Give to the Wealthy

[SummerMadness]

Trump Wants to Take From the Poor and Give to the Wealthy

The Trump administration is highly selective in how it applies the standard of “self-sufficiency” for programs. To move food stamp beneficiaries toward that goal in all states, Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue laid out a plan to strengthen work requirements for federal beneficiaries by April 2020.

“Government dependency has never been the American dream,” Mr. Perdue said. “We need to encourage people by giving them a helping hand but not allowing it to become an indefinitely giving hand.”

But Republican distaste for “government handouts” seems to be strictly on a case-by-case basis. For example, with the Farm Bill, Mr. Perdue and others within the party are quite comfortable turning a blind eye to corporate welfare and crony capitalism. And “handouts” — or if you prefer, “bailouts” — to wealthy agribusinesses are not limited to the Farm Bill. Over the past year, as farmers throughout America were hit hard by President Trump’s trade wars, the administration put together a $28 billion package that, according to some reports, could actually be overpaying some farmers for their losses.

The list goes on. Last year, House Republicans wanted to make it possible for 10 percent or more of the nation’s commodity farms to receive unlimited subsidy payments. They sought to remove payment limitations from marketing assistance loan gains and loan-deficiency payments and tried to make it easier for general partnerships to reorganize as “family farms” and thus qualify for greater subsidy payments. The House version of the Farm Bill also exempted certain business arrangements — partnerships, joint ventures, LLCs and Subchapter S corporations — from the adjusted gross income means-testing provision, a measure that has so far limited commodity and conservation payments to the nation’s wealthiest producers.

 

[bekkilyn]

“We all too often have socialism for the rich and rugged free market capitalism for the poor.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[RaymondG]

If we are in agreement with taking from the rich to give to the poor.....we should also be ok with taking from the poor to giving to the rich, shouldn't we? Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of the amount of money one possesses, isnt it?

 

[Hank77]

If we are in agreement with taking from the rich to give to the poor.....we should also be ok with taking from the poor to giving to the rich, shouldn't we? Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of the amount of money one possesses, isnt it?

2011 - Republican senator, Tom Coburn...

The Republican senator, a staunch fiscal hawk and equal opportunity scourge of government waste and abuse. released "Subsidies of the Rich and Famous" Monday to little fanfare, saying in an e-mailed statement, "This welfare for the well-off - costing billions of dollars a year - is being paid for with the taxes of the less fortunate, many who are working two jobs just to make ends meet, and IOUs to be paid off by future generations."
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Coburn's investigation found that from 2003 to 2009, millionaires received over $316 million in farm program payments. In one four-year period alone, the senator's staff, reviewing tax returns found that fully 78 percent of recipients listed a city as their primary address, not exactly a location for a farm.

Your Tax Dollars Subsidizing Scottie Pippen, Ted Turner, and Jon Bon Jovi?

The GOP was examining private citizens' tax returns?

 

[iluvatar5150]

If we are in agreement with taking from the rich to give to the poor.....we should also be ok with taking from the poor to giving to the rich, shouldn't we? Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of the amount of money one possesses, isnt it?

No.

 

[GodLovesCats]

If we are in agreement with taking from the rich to give to the poor.....we should also be ok with taking from the poor to giving to the rich, shouldn't we? Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of the amount of money one possesses, isnt it?

Seriously? Why do you think politicians take from the rich to give to the poor?

 

[RaymondG]

Seriously? Why do you think politicians take from the rich to give to the poor?

I do not judge what others do, as I am held accountable for my own thoughts and actions. I did not suggest that taking from the poor and giving to the rich was good or bad......only that I would feel the same for this scenario that I would for the reverse.

It seems that many would praise taking from the rich to give to the poor, but frown on the exact opposite. Arent they both the same? how is taking from one different than taking from another? Are we to use mammon as a judge of righteousness? Is righteousness determined only after viewing ones bank account?

Let us frown upon the taking from the poor and the rich alike.....if we desire a change. Saying that, taking from one is ok, but the other isnt.....just look at money to determine what is right....sends an erroneous message into the atmosphere.

 

[FireDragon76]

“We all too often have socialism for the rich and rugged free market capitalism for the poor.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

Wise words from a great man.

 

[Halbhh]

Trump Wants to Take From the Poor and Give to the Wealthy

Thanks for finding and conveying this reporting.

That will be something to watch: will farm subsidies turn into a means of crony capitalism (aka corruption).

 

[GodLovesCats]

It seems that many would praise taking from the rich to give to the poor, but frown on the exact opposite. Arent they both the same? How is taking from one different than taking from another? Are we to use mammon as a judge of righteousness? Is righteousness determined only after viewing ones bank account?

The difference is what rich people spend their money on. If we take from the rich to give to the poor they are helping those in need. If we don't, they choose to use it for their own purposes that serve nobody but themselves. Taking money from poor people is giving it back to the rich, so they actually are not receving the help that was promised to them. This is about doing what is morally right for society.

 

[RaymondG]

The difference is what rich people spend their money on. If we take from the rich to give to the poor they are helping those in need. If we don't, they choose to use it for their own purposes that serve nobody but themselves. Taking money from poor people is giving it back to the rich, so they actually are not receving the help that was promised to them. This is about doing what is morally right for society.

Do you think is right for someone else to be able to take money from you because they dont like what you spend it on.....or feel that another could have more need of it than you do? Is this morally right and a code that you desire to live by?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Raymond, are you choosing to ignore the fact that society has a moral responsibility to help those in need and not be selfish? Rich people can afford to help the poor, so it is totally against God to want to keep the money they are paying in taxes for their own benefits.

 

[ananda]

It seems that many would praise taking from the rich to give to the poor, but frown on the exact opposite. Arent they both the same? how is taking from one different than taking from another? Are we to use mammon as a judge of righteousness? Is righteousness determined only after viewing ones bank account?

The issue is that the political & economic structure empowers the rich to profit from the poor, but does not afford the same opportunities for the reverse.

 

[RaymondG]

Raymond, are you choosing to ignore the fact that society has a moral responsibility to help those in need and not be selfish?

I choose not to ignore the needy, and will do whatever i can to help them. I choose not to spend time thinking about the selfish.....and use that time, instead to think about helping the needy.

Rich people can afford to help the poor, so it is totally against God to want to keep the money they are paying in taxes for their own benefits.

I think it, also, against God for me to desire to "take" something from someone else by force....something that I haven't earned and doesnt belong to me. But if a rich man desires to slip me a few mill, I'd gladly take it and do with it what I believe is right.

When thinking of helping the needy, I prefer to thinking about what I can do to help them.....as opposed to what I can take from someone else....to help them.

 

[RaymondG]

The issue is that the political & economic structure empowers the rich to profit from the poor, but does not afford the same opportunities for the reverse.

I agree, there may be some misguided people controlling a lot of the funds and the distributions of the same.
I say we become rich and be an examples of how to give to the poor and desire to take nothing from them.....Are you with me?

 

[GodLovesCats]

That would be ideal, but in this sinful world the sad reality is most rich people expand their bank accounts by saving money. How would you prevent the rich from getting richer and the poor from getting poorer if there is no tax for services that benefit people in poverty?

 

[ananda]

I agree, there may be some misguided people controlling a lot of the funds and the distributions of the same.
I say we become rich and be an examples of how to give to the poor and desire to take nothing from them.....Are you with me?

No that doesn't solve the underlying structual inequalities. I'm rather for a steady-state economy where enacted laws do not promote endless gain (which favors the rich), but rather social and economic stability.

 

[RaymondG]

No, I'm for a steady-state economy where enacted laws do not promote endless gain (which favors the rich), but rather social and economic stability.

I find no fault in that. It seems though, that most desire to take from the rich and give to the poor. I, would prefer to be that one being taken from, than the one receiving from those who have their possessions taken. You, know, the lender and not the borrower. I do not shun the riches.....for the more that I receive.....the more I can give....

 

[FireDragon76]

The issue is that the political & economic structure empowers the rich to profit from the poor, but does not afford the same opportunities for the reverse.

The laws are set up so that people with access to power don't have to pay much in taxes if they don't want to, they can shelter money away or even waste it without much harm coming to them. People like Donald Trump can make stupid, risky business decisions, lose money, and write it off their taxes. A small businesswoman simply can't do that.

 

[RaymondG]

That would be ideal, but in this sinful world the sad reality is most rich people expand their bank accounts by saving money. How would you prevent the rich from getting richer and the poor from getting poorer if there is no tax for services that benefit people in poverty?

WE need do nothing with the rich......we only need to make the poor rich for no one to be rich. However, as you can see from the post above....there are some who choose to have less than the rich have......and such is their right. Who are we to from extra money on them who do not desire it? For Jesus said that we will have the poor always.

Is this thread about eliminating taxation? I have no issues will giving taxes to the government and 10% to the churches.