Did we miss our turn somewhere?

[Dave L]

But that is not the issue of Revelation 20:1-3.

The issue is the binding of Satan. If the gospel does this, then he has been bound since Christ's first coming.

 

[Douggg]

The issue is the binding of Satan. If the gospel does this, then he has been bound since Christ's first coming.

The issue in Revelation 20:1-3 is the binding of Satan with a chain by an angel as he is cast into the bottomless pit.

 

[Dave L]

The issue in Revelation 20:1-3 is the binding of Satan with a chain by an angel as he is cast into the bottomless pit.

These are symbols. Just like the red dragon and the harlot.

 

[Douggg]

These are symbols. Just like the red dragon and the harlot

These what? are symbols.

Are you trying to say the angel from heaven is a symbol?

 

[nolidad]

por favor - did someone actually post that they think the enemy was bound already !?

yes for about two thousand years- He just got let loose I guess according to them.

 

[nolidad]

These are symbols. Just like the red dragon and the harlot.

And you know that to be a fact how?????

 

[Dave L]

And you know that to be a fact how?????

“THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” (Acts 11:28)

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” (Revelation 15:1)

“And there appeared a great wonder [sign] in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Revelation 12:1–2)

“And there appeared another wonder [sign] in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” (Revelation 12:3)

“And he doeth great wonders [signs], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,” (Revelation 13:13)

“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (Revelation 13:14)

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles [signs], which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles [signs] before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

signified

■ noun Linguistics the meaning or idea expressed by a sign, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expressed.

Soanes, C., & Stevenson, A. (Eds.). (2004). Concise Oxford English dictionary (11th ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

 

[nolidad]

The kingdom has always been small, few there be that find it.

But you said he was bound for nearly two thousand years while thye true gospel was being preached! But yet we were warned of many false gospels while Satan was supposedly bound according to you! Can't be both.

So nowe you say he is loosed- are you hypothesizing the true gospel is no longer being preached???

I am confident that it is a lot larger than you and others here think!

 

[Dave L]

But you said he was bound for nearly two thousand years while thye true gospel was being preached! But yet we were warned of many false gospels while Satan was supposedly bound according to you! Can't be both.

So nowe you say he is loosed- are you hypothesizing the true gospel is no longer being preached???

I am confident that it is a lot larger than you and others here think!

Bound from deceiving all whom God chose to save. But blinding the minds of the rest.

 

[nolidad]

“THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” (Acts 11:28)

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” (Revelation 15:1)

“And there appeared a great wonder [sign] in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Revelation 12:1–2)

“And there appeared another wonder [sign] in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” (Revelation 12:3)

“And he doeth great wonders [signs], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,” (Revelation 13:13)

“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (Revelation 13:14)

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles [signs], which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles [signs] before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

signified

■ noun Linguistics the meaning or idea expressed by a sign, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expressed.

Soanes, C., & Stevenson, A. (Eds.). (2004). Concise Oxford English dictionary (11th ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press.

Yes miracles are signs and the wonders in heaven were visions that had literal meanings!

Seems the bible defines most of those wonders! Dragon=devil Woman= Israel etc.

But there is nothing in REv. 20 that teh bindings are symbolic nor meaning the new covenant age as you declared.

SCripture says that during that 1,000 years

"3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:"

But I showed you from Scripture that has not happened yetn=, nor did the Apostles believe he was bound.

And now you say He is looded. When was He loosed and what deception is different in the nations that was not before.

We have Islam, LDS, JW's Buddhism, Idolatry, shamanism paganism witchcraft and Satanism all running rampant- so when did he get loosed and what deception has he started and when did the new covenant era end as you siad it would when the Devil was loosed!

 

[Dave L]

Yes miracles are signs and the wonders in heaven were visions that had literal meanings!

Seems the bible defines most of those wonders! Dragon=devil Woman= Israel etc.

But there is nothing in REv. 20 that teh bindings are symbolic nor meaning the new covenant age as you declared.

SCripture says that during that 1,000 years

"3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:"

But I showed you from Scripture that has not happened yetn=, nor did the Apostles believe he was bound.

And now you say He is looded. When was He loosed and what deception is different in the nations that was not before.

We have Islam, LDS, JW's Buddhism, Idolatry, shamanism paganism witchcraft and Satanism all running rampant- so when did he get loosed and what deception has he started and when did the new covenant era end as you siad it would when the Devil was loosed!

Only the born again can see the kingdom. So many still look for the Pharisee version in the future.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)

 

[nolidad]

Bound from deceiving all whom God chose to save. But blinding the minds of the rest.

So you now believe that Satan is free to deceive all whon god has chosen to save?

So how do you know you are not deceived??? And when did this start????

YOu are sinking deeper and deeper into opinion and supposition and escaping further and further fro the bible to a reinterpretation of clear unambiguous passages!

 

[Dave L]

So you now believe that Satan is free to deceive all whon god has chosen to save?

So how do you know you are not deceived??? And when did this start????

YOu are sinking deeper and deeper into opinion and supposition and escaping further and further fro the bible to a reinterpretation of clear unambiguous passages!

D- on comprehension. Please re-read and resubmit your answer.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

yes for about two thousand years- He just got let loose I guess according to them.

He was bound, or he got loose ? 'according to them'
Why don't they believe Scripture ?

 

[BABerean2]

SCripture says that during that 1,000 years

"3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:"

But I showed you from Scripture that has not happened yet

Is Satan one of the angels that sinned?

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Is Satan one of the angels that left heaven?

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.



What is the light source the fallen angels once saw, but have now been banished from seeing, in "chains of darkness"?

Rev_21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


Rev_21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.


Rev_22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[nolidad]

Is Satan one of the angels that sinned?

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Is Satan one of the angels that left heaven?

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.



What is the light source the fallen angels once saw, but have now been banished from seeing, in "chains of darkness"?

Rev_21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


Rev_21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.


Rev_22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Those are the angels who sinned in Genesis 6 and came down and had sex with human women. We know this because Paul in Ephesians, Jesus in the gospels, God in JOb and Peter all say Satan is loose and still the god of this world for a short time.

 

[nolidad]

D- on comprehension. Please re-read and resubmit your answer.

I am just responding to all you have been trying to teach on this thread!

Do I need to scour the thread and post all your declarations to show you I have comprehended you correctly?

 

[nolidad]

Only the born again can see the kingdom. So many still look for the Pharisee version in the future.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)

And what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[Dave L]

And what does this have to do with the topic at hand?

It has a lot to do with it. If the kingdom has been here since Jesus preached it, and only the born again can see it, many looking for a future physical Millennium might not be born again.

 

[Dave L]

I am just responding to all you have been trying to teach on this thread!

Do I need to scour the thread and post all your declarations to show you I have comprehended you correctly?

One of your replies showed a failure to grasp the meaning.