I didn’t make things up. I quoted what you said. “Those who God FOREKNEW would follow him he PREDESTINED (PREDETERMINE) to be called into His image v29-30.” Your words.
Well let's examine your claims through the scriptures? You claim that I put into scriptures something that they were not saying. Yet it is God's Word that says...
ROMANS 8:28-30 [28], And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [29], For whom he did
FOREKNOW, he also did
PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. [30], Moreover whom he did
PREDESTINATE, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Your interprestation of v30 is that God does not give mankind freewill to choose Salvation.
Where does it say that in the scriptures above?
Post # 270 linked and
post # 285 linked above shows the context and the greek word meanings you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures.
You quoted the above scripture to claim that mankind does not have free will to choose salvation or not choose salvation yet the scripture you quoted says no such thing.
If mankind does not have a free will why does the gospel have to be preached to the whole world?
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In relation to ROMANS 8:29-30; and your earlier claims, that I was adding to the scriptures something not supported by scripture, here is some food for thought in relation to God FOREKNOWING who would CHOOSE to believe and follow him and who would CHOOSE not to BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him.
Posted earlier...
"Those who God FOREKNEW
would follow him he PREDESTINED (PREDETERMINE) to be called into His image v29-30.”
Is free will or having CHOICE to CHOOSE to believe and follow God or not supported by the scriptures?
JOHN 7:17
ANYONE WHO CHOOSES (θέλω, ἐθέλω)
to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
DEUTERONOMY 30:16-20
[16], In that I command you this day to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply: and the LORD your God shall bless you in the land where you go to possess it. [17], But if your heart turn away, so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
[18], I denounce to you this day, that you shall surely perish, and that you shall not prolong your days on the land, where you pass over Jordan to go to possess it. [19], I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:
THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE, that both you and your seed may live: [20], That you may love the LORD your God, and that you may obey his voice, and that you may hold to him: for he is your life, and the length of your days: that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
JEREMIAH 24:14:15
[14], Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve you the LORD. [15], And if it seem evil to you to serve the Lord,
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
PSALMS 24:12 [12], What man is he that fears the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that HE SHALL CHOOSE
PROVERBS 1:23-30
[23], Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit to you, I will make known my words to you.
[24], Because I have called, and you refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
[25], But you have set at nothing all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
[26], I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear comes;
[27], When your fear comes as desolation, and your destruction comes as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish comes on you.
[28], Then shall they call on me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
[29],
FOR THAT THEY HATED KNOWLEDGE AND DID NOT CHOOSE THE FEAR OF THE LORD
[30], They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
PROVERBS 3:31 [31], Envy you not the oppressor, and
CHOOSE NONE OF HIS WAYS.
ISAIAH 56:4 [4], For thus said the LORD to the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths,
AND CHOOSE THE THINGS THAT PLEASE ME AND TAKE HOLD OF MY COVENANT.
ISAIAH 65:11-12
[11], But you are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering to that number.
[12], Therefore will I number you to the sword, and you shall all bow down to the slaughter:
BECAUSE WHEN I CALLED, YOU DID NOT ANSWER, WHEN I SPOKE, YOU DID NOT HEAR; BUT DID EVIL BEFORE MY EYES AND DID CHOOSE THAT WHERE IN I DELIGHTED NOT.
ISAIAH 66:4 [4], I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears on them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before my eyes,
AND CHOOSE THE IN WHICH I DELIGHTED NOT.
JOSHUA 24:15
[15],
And if it seem evil to you to serve the LORD,
CHOOSE THE DAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell:
but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
JOHN 1:11-12 [11], He came to his own, and
his own received him not.
[12],
BUT AS MANY AS RECEIVED HIM, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name
JOHN 5:39-40
[39], Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[40], And YOU WILL NOT COME TO ME THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIFE.
REVELATION 3:20 [20], Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:
IF ANY MAN HEAR MY VOICE AND OPEN THE DOOR , I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
There are too many scriptures on free will in God's Word only some have been posted above. There are many more ...
Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord GOD, and not rather that they should turn from their ways and live?… Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed against me, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, says the Lord GOD. Turn, then, and live. *EZEKIEL 18:5; 9; 20; 23; 31-32.
No point in posting them all. The scriptures posted above only support what I have provided to you in earlier posts that God did FOREKNOW who would CHOOSE to BELIEVE and FOLLOW Him and who would not. Seems like a lot of scripture that supports a free will for mankind to choose to believe or not believe God's Word, don't you think brother?
Now where does it say in God's Word that mankind does not have a free will to CHOOSE to BELIEVE or not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word? You have none do you.
The reason not everyone CHOOSES to believe and follow God's Word is that men love darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil *JOHN 3:19.
Only sent in love and as a help to you brother. Maybe you can pray about it and study it out further.
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.