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AOC melts down because she was fact checked

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That's because Trump has been a public person with a known track record of activities (some worthy of hatred) going back DECADES.

You may not be very old, but some of us still remember the 80's and even some into the 70's! Trump has been around a long time and he's been known for some...shall we say...questionable behavior before. We could go back to the 1970's when he and his dad were charged by the US government for discriminatory housing practices, or maybe we could look to the time his dad broke gaming laws in order to bail Donald out when one of his casinos went belly up. Or maybe it's the many bankruptcies. Or how about the countless contractors he failed to pay as he shepherded his millions.
He did show a little boy the way when he got lost in his hotel, though.
 
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If we just use the Left's playbook, we could use words like "Temper tantrum, hissy fit, infantile, etc" like they have. Since it would be an imitation of what we've heard so far, consider it a flattery.
True, but you couldn't call it a Trumper tantrum like we can! ^_^
 
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How many Tweets has he made? There are so many people who are obsessed about such things, so I'm sure there will be an answer.
Up until January of 2018 it was 2700. But that's only 1 year.
How long did it take for people to hate on Trump? Hint: It started before he even took office.
He's either hated or disliked because his behaviours invite it.
She's also on the side of the Trump haters, so she seems to be getting a pass.
I DO think she should be held to account in regards to her fact checking. But given her, let's be real, relatively small impact on the system as a whole (and INCREDIBLY, disproportionately smaller amount of time in service), certainly you could agree that similar numbers of fact checks to SHS doesn't make sense.
 
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There's a difference between lying and presenting false information with regards to intent. The end result is the same...misinformation. However, truly believing that you're telling the truth (and being wrong) isn't the same as intentionally disseminating, what you know to be, false info.

Now, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm on-board with all elected parties being subjected to fact checking.

But here's the question I have for Trump supporters...why are these sources that are fact checking AOC suddenly credible in your eyes? They're bias, inaccurate, and "fake news" when they're fact checking Trump. Remember?

Can't have it both ways...


Also, the fact that the right wing outlets have to lean on someone like AOC to attempt to portray a counterbalance to Trump says more about him than it does about her...

They have to harp on 1/435th of one half of one branch of government in order to to try to counterbalance with the person holding the most elite position in all of government (and possibly the world). Really?
 
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Let me understand this, she goes out and publicly speaks and in her speaking she lies or is in accurate, politifact the people that the left out is 100% accurate when it comes to the president gives her for Pinocchios.

She goes on Twitter and melts down, has a teenage girl hissy fit. And you want me to believe it’s the conservatives fault.
First, Politifact doesn't give Pinocchios that is WaPo. Politifact rate her statement as false but noted "miss understanding the data."
So it wasn't because she lied but because she didn't have someone in the know explain the numbers to her, she didn't do, due diligence, imo.

She didn't call anyone names, didn't write in CAPS as though she were yelling at anyone, and she definitely didn't sound like a teenage girl having a 'hissy' fit. Therefore, I am rating your statement as 'false' but with a note that says 'lack of experience with teenage girls.'

Aside from that I will agree that she was whining, especially about Sanders not being fact checked more often then she is. If she is going to be so thin skinned she will never make it in politics. I would think she'd be more concerned about getting her facts straight and then tweet that she had made a mistake and explain it correctly.
 
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Is it not possible that the Left is more likely to excuse it (like we're seeing in this thread) if it happens on the Left?
Sure, but the Left is more likely to excuse missteps coming from a young person just starting out while the Right is more likely to excuse lies and insults coming from a mature man, well, age-wise anyways, in the highest office in the land. Go figure.
 
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And he made a mistake that time when he said 57 states! Who could forget that!?!!

Yeah, I know! Geez... And he only had ONE marriage to the same woman and he fathered children with the same woman too. He wasn't in his third marriage to a former mistress. He didn't have an affair with a porn star, whom he would later call a horseface after paying her off to keep her silent about their affair. He didn't have any locker room banter of groping women to brag about either.
 
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Sure, but the Left is more likely to excuse missteps coming from a young person just starting out while the Right is more likely to excuse lies and insults coming from a mature man, well, age-wise anyways, in the highest office in the land. Go figure.
Well, from any white man really....
 
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You are correct he very politely screwed millions of people out of their healthcare.

What a fascinating falsehood because the ACA required everyone to have health insurance. And the only ones who screwed people out of it were Conservatives in states that refused to set up exchanges or shut down popular and successful ones like Kynect.

He very politely lied to the American public for almost a year. You can keep your policy you can keep your doctors.

“So, just to sum up, I would do various things very quickly. I would repeal and replace the big lie, Obamacare.” [New York, NY, 6/15/15]

“We have to repeal Obamacare, and it can be — and — and it can be replaced with something much better for everybody. Let it be for everybody. But much better and much less expensive for people and for the government. And we can do it.” [New York, NY, 6/15/15]

“We are going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better, much better much better.” [Waterloo, IA, 10/7/15]

“I think Obamacare is a very big issue. I see it, we are going to repeal it or replace it with something much better and much less expensive. We have a lot of different things we are going to do.” [FOX, 2/10/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare and we are going to win with its replacement.” [Dayton, OH, 3/12/16]

“Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced with something much less expensive that works much better.” [CNN, 5/14/16]

“We will repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare. You will be able to choose your own doctor again.” [Acceptance speech in Cleveland, OH 7/21/16]
 
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I thought she was an American politician, educator, and political activist who was elected to represent New York's 14th district. Let's have some expectations of her beyond having meltdowns on Twitter.

Let's go ahead and see if there's any reality to this supposed meltdown.

Ocasio-Cortez attacks fact-checkers for 'false equivalency,' 'bias'

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
>> Facts are facts, America. We should care about getting things right. Yet standards of who gets fact-checked, how often + why are unclear. This is where false equivalency+bias creeps in, allowing climate deniers to be put on par w/scientists, for example. <<

HOLY MOLY! The woman is clearly unhinged! :doh:

She continues:
>> For example, it looks like @PolitiFact has fact-checked Sarah Huckabee Sanders and myself the *same* amount of times: 6. She’s been serving for almost 2 years. I’ve served 4 days. Why is she fact-checked so little? Is she adhering to some standard we don’t know about? <<

>> Or why did @washingtonpost give my confusing tweet on military accounting offsets the same “Pinocchios” as Trump’s flat denial of how many Americans died in Puerto Rico? These are legitimate questions not intended to attack. Who makes these decisions? How? Is there a rubric? <<

>> Another question for @politifact: some officials’ statements (ex. Andrew Cuomo) get rated “true” frequently. I say true things all the time - I’d hope most do. When does Politifact choose to rate true statements? Is there a guide? I’d be happy to repost if there is. <<

She's crazed with madness! But then she does something that not even Trump would ever do:

accepts the criticism of her...
Sal Rizzo on Twitter
>> Sal Rizzo‏Verified account @rizzoTK

No one likes to be fact-checked. There's a simple way to avoid it. And there's a big difference between the colossal amount of time we spend fact-checking Trump (7,645 false/misleading claims and counting) and TWO fact-checks of @AOC <<
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
> Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez‏Verified account @AOC

Fact-checking is critically important. It’s not always fun. But that’s okay! It pushes me to be better. It’s important that if fact-checkers are referees, everyone know the rules - and those rules be as clear + fair as possible for all to play. Thank you for the work you do. <<

I wonder if the Daily Caller included this last exchange in it's hit piece the way Fox News did.
 
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He did show a little boy the way when he got lost in his hotel, though.
Why is everyone giving me setups for one-liners that would get me reported? It’s a conspiracy!
 
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Its only me, mate.
No, it’s happening in other threads, too! Can’t you see them?
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Let's go ahead and see if there's any reality to this supposed meltdown.

Ocasio-Cortez attacks fact-checkers for 'false equivalency,' 'bias'

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
>> Facts are facts, America. We should care about getting things right. Yet standards of who gets fact-checked, how often + why are unclear. This is where false equivalency+bias creeps in, allowing climate deniers to be put on par w/scientists, for example. <<

HOLY MOLY! The woman is clearly unhinged! :doh:

She continues:
>> For example, it looks like @PolitiFact has fact-checked Sarah Huckabee Sanders and myself the *same* amount of times: 6. She’s been serving for almost 2 years. I’ve served 4 days. Why is she fact-checked so little? Is she adhering to some standard we don’t know about? <<

>> Or why did @washingtonpost give my confusing tweet on military accounting offsets the same “Pinocchios” as Trump’s flat denial of how many Americans died in Puerto Rico? These are legitimate questions not intended to attack. Who makes these decisions? How? Is there a rubric? <<

>> Another question for @politifact: some officials’ statements (ex. Andrew Cuomo) get rated “true” frequently. I say true things all the time - I’d hope most do. When does Politifact choose to rate true statements? Is there a guide? I’d be happy to repost if there is. <<

She's crazed with madness! But then she does something that not even Trump would ever do:

accepts the criticism of her...
Sal Rizzo on Twitter
>> Sal Rizzo‏Verified account @rizzoTK

No one likes to be fact-checked. There's a simple way to avoid it. And there's a big difference between the colossal amount of time we spend fact-checking Trump (7,645 false/misleading claims and counting) and TWO fact-checks of @AOC <<
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
> Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez‏Verified account @AOC

Fact-checking is critically important. It’s not always fun. But that’s okay! It pushes me to be better. It’s important that if fact-checkers are referees, everyone know the rules - and those rules be as clear + fair as possible for all to play. Thank you for the work you do. <<

I wonder if the Daily Caller included this last exchange in it's hit piece the way Fox News did.

The only melt down appears to be Trump supporters grasping for any reason to criticize someone on the left for dishonesty, when there guy does it unabashedly every single day.
 
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True, but you couldn't call it a Trumper tantrum like we can! ^_^

Don't terms like that violate the same rules as saying things like Obummer, or Oh Blah Blah? Has about the same amount of constructiveness too.
 
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