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thanks for the somewhat unambiguous reply.
Well, i suppose one of us ought to be unambiguous.. I figured I'd go first
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thanks for the somewhat unambiguous reply.
Why do I want to explain it to you?
You're not explaining yourself well enough for me to even consider answering the question. Now you're in Isaiah attempting to prove the Lord already returned. You need to explain how you interpret the verse first.
By golly, I believe you may be on to something there......NOT ONE LINK I EVER LOOKED AT CLAIMED THIS PARABLE WAS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM OR THE TEMPLE. It is about the destruction of the chief priest and elders if they don't repent.
The managers of the vineyard, AKA the vinedressers, killed the messengers the landowner sent. Finally he sent his son and they killed him too thinking they could take control of the vineyard. The landowner judged and destroyed them. This reflects the chief priest and elders who plotted to kill Jesus. This likely refers to Israel because he Old Testament often used the picture of a vineyard to speak of Israel because a vineyard is associated with Israel in the OT. Maybe you agree so far.
Jesus warned the religious leaders that if they continued their rejection of God and His Messiah, God would pass the managing of His work on earth to others. Just like the parable.
"In Jesus’ parable, the "produce" was fine, but the delivery system was malfunctioning. The problem was not with the vineyard’s production but with the tenants themselves."
Emerson Powery
.......................Talk about a scrambled mess. I wish you could be more clear about what you're trying to get across. You go all over the place trying to support something. Most of the verses you quoted are speaking of things future like this...
I wish had time to debunk all your Preterists links but I don't.
I'm still around, but I usually avoid reading your rude and insolent posts.I remain hopeful and patient, however, since I've been dealing with your kind here on CF for almost 2 decades... you all come upon the scene with puffed up Bravado, pontificate the same old, tired, futurist argle-bargle, and like the rest you'll eventually take your ball and go.. you'll be replaced by another drive by poster soon enough and I shall remain, as I have for 18 years now, a staunch defender of the faith and steadfast champion of both Scripture and History.
I'm still around, but I usually avoid reading your rude and insolent posts.
As you say yourself, you like those who
correctly believe and who post that most prophecy remain unfulfilled, so as you can scoff and denigrate us.
You are the epitome of the people that 2 Peter 3:1-7 told us about.
I have yet to see you post any proof of past events that perfectly fulfilled a prophecy. We know how perfectly the prophesies about Jesus' first Advent were fulfilled; the virgin birth, the riding on a donkey, is death on a tree, etc.
Matthew 21:36-46, the Parable of the Landowner, does apply to those Jews who rejected and killed Him, but also to those who call themselves Jews today, in their continued rejection of Jesus. .... the nation the yields the proper fruit, awaits the end of the Christian era, when the new nation of Beulah will be formed. Isaiah 62:1-5
The prophesies of the Judgment of Fire, that Peter plainly says will happen and in 2 Samuel 22:8-16, for example, did not happen in David's time, those cosmic and dramatic things await literal fulfillment in the end times.
You and many choose to deny the possibility that you, personally may have to face difficult times, but if you are a faithful, born again Christian, you must face trials and testing. 1 Peter 4:1219, Revelation 14:12 +
Good verse Keras.You and many choose to deny the possibility that you, personally may have to face difficult times, but if you are a faithful, born again Christian, you must face trials and testing. 1 Peter 4:1219, Revelation 14:12 +
The REB and the NIV for 2 examples; do not say Then.... in 2 Samuel 22:82 Samuel 22:8 begins with "Then".
In that context, "then" means "at that time", i.e. at the same time as the preceding events of verses 1-7. In the Hebrew, "then" is encapsulated together with "shook" to convey chronological continuity.
David repeats virtually all of his expressions of deliverance verbatim in Psalms 18.
Why do you futurize only verses 8-16 of 2 Samuel 22?
Why do you deny David the opportunity to express the drama of his deliverance in the idiom of his choosing?
The REB and the NIV for 2 examples; do not say Then.... in 2 Samuel 22:8
The KJV is in error - again.
David WAS a prophet, his prophesies are interspersed among his exploits and over his life.
As you say, Psalms 18:7-15 also has this prophecy; there was no earthquake, no darkness, no hail of glowing coals, and the earths foundations were not laid bare when David and Saul confronted each other.
What David prophesied here and elsewhere remains unfulfilled and it relates to many other unfulfilled prophesies, like the Sixth Seal.
To say it has been, means that you think you are the arbiter of whether the Bible has anything of use for us, now at the cusp of the end of this Church age.
But it didn't.He declared that it occurred then.
And why they were consumed in the geheena hell fire of Jerusalem in 70........
You do know what the Hebrew meaning of that word is don't you? Just ask the Jews.
Matthew 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?
Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews
In Revelation, both a people and a great City are shown with smoke burning:
Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......
And of course Jerusalem:
Revelation 19:3
And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".
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I am well aware of those verses.Based on the scripture found below, there will be a future bodily resurrection and judgment of the dead described by Christ in John 5:27-30, and whose timing is found in Revelation 11:18.
Mat_12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Mat_12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
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I don't see the word 'then' in any of my interlinear's. 'Then' is the word 'az' or 'azay' and it's NOT there in the Polyglot, so somehow it was added. This is how Young's literal translation words it,
Young's Literal Translation
And shake and tremble doth the earth, Foundations of the heavens are troubled, And are shaken, for He hath wrath!
I looked into this, "Apostolic Bible Polyglot Interlinear" bible hub uses and I don't trust it. It was published in 2003. I use Biblehub a lot, but I never use its interlinear.
Young's translates it the same as my interlinear. "and·she-is-reeling."
Online Hebrew Interlinear Bible