Illegal immigration cost US taxpayers 116 billion

[Mountainmanbob]

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

M-Bob

 

[trophy33]

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

M-Bob

"Broadly, the costs include $29 billion in medical care, $23 billion for law enforcement, $9 billion in welfare, $46 billion for education."

I do not get it. How can you educate illegal immigrants? And why is the law enforcement so expensive?

I partially understand the medical care, even though the amount is also suspiciously high (hospitals milking the state budget as much as possible...?)

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Illegal aliens are net consumers of taxpayer-funded services and the limited taxes paid by some segments of the illegal alien population are, in no way, significant enough to offset the growing financial burdens imposed on U.S. taxpayers by massive numbers of uninvited guests. This study examines the fiscal impact of illegal aliens as reflected in both federal and state budgets.

FAIR now estimates that there are approximately 12.5 million illegal alien residents.


The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

 

[SkyWriting]

"Broadly, the costs include $29 billion in medical care, $23 billion for law enforcement, $9 billion in welfare, $46 billion for education."I do not get it. How can you educate illegal immigrants? And why is the law enforcement so expensive?I partially understand the medical care, even though the amount is also suspiciously high (hospitals milking the state budget as much as possible...?)

The only issue is Do they produce more than they use? I argue they do.

 

[SkyWriting]

Illegal aliens are net consumers of taxpayer-funded services and the limited taxes paid by some segments of the illegal alien population are, in no way, significant enough to offset the growing financial burdens imposed on U.S. taxpayers by massive numbers of uninvited guests. This study examines the fiscal impact of illegal aliens as reflected in both federal and state budgets.


The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

But then if you allow them to be citizens, then they pay taxes directly.
Assuming we go back to every income level paying taxes, which we should.

 

[SkyWriting]

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

M-Bob

Immigrants come here looking for jobs, and millennials want to avoid work and just text all day. Can we export all Millennials?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

The only issue is Do they produce more than they use? I argue they do.

You argument is hallow if you read the statistics.

M-Bob

 

[Dave-W]

But then if you allow them to be citizens, then they pay taxes directly.

If you do that you deprive the economy of super sub-minimum wage workers.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Simple math.

That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend.

M-Bob

 

[trophy33]

The only issue is Do they produce more than they use? I argue they do.

Maybe, but I do not understand how can bills of what they "use" be so high.

a) how can an illegal immigrant get a state education when he is in the state illegally?
b) why are their hospital bills so astronomical? Do they all have cancer or is a tooth extraction in 15 minutes worth of 1,000 dollars or why?
c) why are their law enforcement bills so high? Are prisons 5 stars hotels?

 

[Hank77]

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

M-Bob

Here is the article that the OP article is based on. There is a lot of 'we believe' rather than straight up facts.
The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

 

[Hank77]

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

M-Bob

If American employers would stop illegally hiring them they wouldn't come here for jobs.

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe, but I do not understand how can bills of what they "use" be so high.

a) how can an illegal immigrant get a state education when he is in the state illegally?
b) why are their hospital bills so astronomical? Do they all have cancer or is a tooth extraction in 15 minutes worth of 1,000 dollars or why?
c) why are their law enforcement bills so high? Are prisons 5 stars hotels?

a. They have kids. Their children are required to attend school. I consider that a gain.
b. They only use emergency care for health problems becasue they have no insurance plans.
c. Immigrants are low income and those groups use the most police services.

 

[trophy33]

a. They have kids. Their children are required to attend school. I consider that a gain.
b. They only use emergency care for health problems becasue they have no insurance plans.
c. Immigrants are low income and those groups use the most police services.

a) how can you know that they have kids, how can their kids go to school, if they are illegal? Or am I missing something? For me, an illegal immigrant is a person hiding from authorities.
b) exactly, so why is emergency care so expensive in the USA?
c) I understand, but why are police services so expensive?

 

[Brightmoon]

Some illegals get off-the-books jobs or use fake ID and they do pay taxes . Out of fear of La Migra aka ICE they don’t file for refunds . So the government keeps that money . I live in NYC . I see this and have neighbors going thru this. Every child in America is entitled to a free public education by the way.

 

[SkyWriting]

If American employers would stop illegally hiring them they wouldn't come here for jobs.

Then who will fill all those janitorial positions and pick your fruit?
In tourist areas in my state we get permits and bring in workers from Russia to fill the summer jobs.

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants - CBS News
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[SkyWriting]

a) how can you know that they have kids, how can their kids go to school, if they are illegal? Or am I missing something? For me, an illegal immigrant is a person hiding from authorities.

They are not hiding. They work were you work in many cases.
The only illegals deported are criminals anymore. For the most part.
They can still get driving tickets and minor crimes and not be deported.
Many buy "borrowed" names and SS numbers but not all do.
All children must attend public school. No ss number is required.
I've worked with illegals at my job for over a decade, and have two grandkids
with an illegal dad. The oldest has a full ballet scholarship for 6 years.

 

[Hank77]

In tourist areas in my state we get permits and bring in workers from Russia to fill the summer jobs.

If they have work permits they aren't illegal.

 

[trophy33]

They are not hiding. They work were you work in many cases.
The only illegals deported are criminals anymore. For the most part.
They can still get driving tickets and minor crimes and not be deported.
Many buy "borrowed" names and SS numbers but not all do.
All children must attend public school. No ss number is required.
I've worked with illegals at my job for over a decade, and have two grandkids
with an illegal dad. The oldest has a full ballet scholarship for 6 years.

Aaah, ok... so the situation is quite different from what we have here. Everybody here has to have a birth number (social number) and who is illegal, is deported or wating for deportation.

If your illegals are "illegally legal" and can somehow work, if practically anonymous children can get education etc., then I uderstand the tension in the USA more...

 

[SkyWriting]

If they have work permits they aren't illegal.

I mentioned that regarding how americans don't want to work seasonal jobs or temp jobs that illegals flock to.