IS THE LORD'S DAY REALLY SUNDAY OR GOD'S SABBATH DAY?

[ToServe]

Just to throw into the works for your information, that the Law of God is not the Mosaic Law, for the Law of God is spiritual and is in vast contrast to the Mosaic Law that is fleshly.

Romans 7:14-16
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.

Read Romans 8 entirely.

God's Law is good and it was applied correctly in the Spirit by Jesus in fulfilling it to the letter of the heart (John 1:17).

Mosaic Law was bad and it was applied to the letter of the code in the flesh whereby flesh could not fulfill what was spiritual, that needed to be applied spritually by a mind governed by the Spirit (Romans 9:4-8).

Therefore the Mosaic Law was the enemy to God's Law and it infuriated God.

Isaiah 1:13
Stop bringing me your meaningless gifts; the incense of your offerings disgusts me! As for your celebrations of the new moon and the Sabbath and your special days for fasting--they are all sinful and false. I want no more of your pious meetings.

Hosea 2:11
I will put an end to her annual festivals, her new moon celebrations, and her Sabbath days--all her appointed festivals.

Amos 5:21
"I hate all your show and pretense--the hypocrisy of your religious festivals and solemn assemblies.

Saturday is a pretense owing to the hypocrisy of Mosaic religious sabbath festivals that are hated by God because they are applied in the flesh by a mind governed by the flesh.

If I observe Saturday in claiming to fulfil the Law of God then I make myself an enemy of God.

If I observe Sunday in claiming fulfillment of the Law of God then I make Christ's crucifixion the day commemorated before God as the true Sabbath of God.

We have truly entered God's Rest by commemorating it on the day of his crucifixion when Christ said it is finished and he in a single day granted us access to the Tree of Life.

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Mosaic fleshly ordenances do not give us the path to victory and do not apply the righteous requirement of the law in order that it might be fully met in us, who ought to not live according to the Mosaic fleshly sabbaths and feasts, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

Sunday is Christ's whereas Saturday is Moses's. We follow our High Priest Jesus. We do not follow Moses or his ordenances.

Jesus is God and therefore we enter God's Rest Day in commemorating Sunday.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only and friendly christian discussion.

We would like to show that the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find any scripture support for this teaching in any of God's WORD.

Let's start by looking at the scriptures that many use to claim SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"

REVELATIONS 1:9-11 [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10], I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!

NOW the only problem you have is the need to show scripture that says SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY.

Can you please provide scripture that says SUNDAY or the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the "LORD'S DAY"?

If you cannot find any scriptures to say that SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY" then you have a problem as your reading into the scriptures something that it is not saying.

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Now let's look at the scriptures that give the answer to our question

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?
A. MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

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Now friend's the SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of God's 10 Commandments and there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. The same as there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

John in the book of REVELATIONS 1:10 was in the SPIRIT on the SABBATH DAY not SUNDAY!

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HOW WAS THE LORD'S DAY CHANGED TO SUNDAY?

SUNDAY Worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break and ignore God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)

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ARE YOU FOLLOWING A MAN MADE TRADITION IN SUNDAY WORSHIP?

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

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What are your thoughts?

Friendly Christian discussion only please. (It is ok to agree to disagree)

God bless.

Two things:

1. Did you know that there were services TWICE DAILY in the Tabernacle and later the Temple. This practice continued when Synagogues were established in the Exile, and is TILL followed by Orthodox and Conservative synagogues to this day.

2. Why does the SDA ignore the spiritual and historical experiences of the pre-Reformation Eastern Churches? There is even no reference to them in the complete index of the writings of EGW?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Acts 15

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:

31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.

34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.

38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;

40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

Brother did you read post # 215 linked everything in this post of yours has already been addressed in detail. Please see the note sections for each of the scriptures you have highlighted. Nothing in your post show that ACTS 15 is talking about the 10 commandments. The shadow laws from the MOASIC BOOK of the law is not the 10 commandments. CIRCUMCISION is not one of the 10 Commandments. It is one of the shadow laws from the MOSAIC book of the covenant. Now please prove that ACTS 15 is talking about the 10 Commandments.

If the shadow law of CIRCUMCISON as a requirement for salvation was the CONTEXT and topic of conversation for ACTS 15 which is from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covenant *EXODUS 24:7. There is no mention of God's 10 Commandments not being a requirement anywhere in God's WORD.

That interpretation of the scriptures is like saying God has two laws one for JEWISH believers and another for Gentile believers and Gentile believers are free to lie, steal, commit adultery, murder, make other Gods etc etc and is a contradiction of what PAUL writes elsewhere for example...

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

You do not really believe that Gentile believers are free to break God's 10 Commandments now do you brother?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is simply not correct.

In AD 380, the emperor declared the Nicea creed the official religion of the Roman empire.
Christianity was in other words the official religion. This edict by the emperor does not give the Roman Catholic Church any authority.

The Roman Catholic church would not have any real power over other church regions, until centuries later.

Justinian I, who became emperor in Constantinople in 527, recognized the patriarchs of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem as the top leadership of the Church. (wikipedia)

See, the church in Rome was one of five church regions.

Even as late as 527 AD there was still five patriarchs of equivalent power. So don't start telling me that the Roman Catholic church was calling the shots before 527 AD. Because that is not true and is not based on church history.

Roman Catholics may trace their history back to Peter, they are entitled to do that. But history does not grant the Roman Catholic Church any real authority until well after 527 AD.

By the way, what pope changed the Sabbath day to Sunday?

Hello Brother David,

Now isnt' it funny that nothing you have posted above supports anything that you are trying to respond to in the post you are quoting from? What is it that you have provided above that you think responds to anything in the post you are trying to respond to?

Where have I ever said that the ROMANS CATHOLIC CHURCH controlled all aspects of God's Church (Those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD)? Your trying to make arguments that I am not even talking about or saying (strawman).

Now if I am not even talking about what you are discussing than why try and claim that I am? Or why try and make arguments that no one is talking about? Please address the scriptures and the posts provided to you. It is good that you finally agree that that Roman Catholic Church traces it's history back to the Apostles this is all that I have been sharing with you.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm not pretending, you have now showed me the word "Israel"

Brother Kenny, I am only showing you the same thing that I already had shown you that you said was not there. Anyhow as you can see it answered your questions and it is good that you agree and can see it now. You were making the claim that I had not answered your question when in your own words now you can see that it was answered all along. Perhaps you just did not see it.

but you have never once answered my question on how any scripture you have posted backs your claim we are grafted to Israel.

Well brother this statement seems a little contradictory to the one you made above doesn't it? It is also not a true statement. I suggest you read post # 195 linked as it discussed ROMANS 11:13-26 and than shows more scripture from the NEW TESTAMENT showing that God's people are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD'S WORD and that GENTILE Believers are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT brother you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise of * HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Where does the bible clearly state that as i have read it and just don't see what you claim it says...nothing. Again, I think someone explained all that to mean what you say it does, but they spun it to mean that, and now you are stuck here with no way to show us how it means what you claim, and quite honestly, that's because it never did, you just believed it without question and now you cannot defend it.

Well nothing you have posted above brother has any truth in it. The scriptures I shared with you earlier are a part of my own bible study in God's WORD. You have been provided a lot of scripture to show that God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL and if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL than you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise.

Now brother you were provided 36 scriptures in a detailed scripture study post # 195 linked that shows who God's ISRAEL is in the NEW COVENANT in reply you have not posted as single scripture except to say you disagree? Now who should we believe? You or God's WORD?

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Indeed. Where are the scriptures that teach God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY and where is the scriptures that says that the "LORDS DAY" is Sunday?

A Jew might be interested in a question related to the law.

Why would a Jew be interested in this question they already keep the Sabbath and know it is a part of God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and that if we break ANYONE of them we stand guilty before GOD of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

A Gentile is not under the law, so a Gentile never had a Sabbath to abolish. That is probably why you won't find the abolition of the Sabbath in the scripture.

No one is "UNDER THE LAW" if by the grace of GOD you have forgiveness and have repented of KNOWN sin *1 JOHN 1:9; ROMANS 8:1-4. However, those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are under God's law because they stand guilty before God od breaking it *ROMANS 3:19-20; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7.

By the way, you also won't find a statement saying, Gentiles are under the law. Nor will you find a statement in the New Testament; Gentiles must obey the ten commandments.

That has not truth in it whatsoever brother. God's WORD is for God's people. All through the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scriptures it shows that God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and that if we break ANYONE of them we stand guilty before GOD of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments. If we KNOWINGLY break it just like any of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPTENTANT SIN do not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the GIFT of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-26. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's not abolished for the Israelites, please pay attention to the fact you have not told us how those are a Gentile law. Show me where the bible actually say the Gentiles are the same as Israelites?

Already adressed with a detailed scripture reply in post # 195 linked.

Read my very first post to this thread.

Your first post does not answer the question where in God's WORD does it say God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and as we now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY and it also does provide any scripture to show that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It seems a little bit irrelevant to be saying that Genesis 2:1-3 significant but carry on ...

Genesis 2:1-3

1 And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.​

Rested :

ָשַׁבת
šaḇaṯ: A verb meaning to repose, to rest, to rid of, to still, to put away, to leave. Most often, the word expresses the idea of resting (i.e., abstaining from labour), especially on the seventh day (see Exo 20:8-11). It is from this root that the noun for Sabbath originates, a word designating the time to be set aside for rest. The verb is used of God to describe His resting after the completion of creation (Gen 2:2). This example of rest by God at creation set the requirement of rest that He desires for His people in order that they may live lives pleasing to Him, full of worship and adoration (Exo 31:17). In Joshua, the verb expresses a cessation of the provision of manna by God to the Israelites (Jos 5:12). The land was also depicted as enjoying a rest from the Israelite farmers while they were in exile (Lev 26:34-35).

Daniel uses this verb to indicate a ceasing of ritual sacrifice and offerings (Dan 9:27). In that passage, Daniel was speaking of the Messiah's coming and the establishment of the New Covenant, when there would be no more need for ritual sacrifices. In another context, the verb can mean to exterminate or destroy a certain object, such as in Amo 8:4 in which Amos addresses those who trampled the needy and did away with the poor. The verb means to cause, to desist from, as in God's declaration of action against the shepherds (Eze 34:10). The word suggests a removing of people or other objects (Exo 12:15; Eze 23:27, Eze 23:48; Isa 30:11). In still other contexts, the causative stem means to fail or to leave lacking. In Rth 4:14, God was praised because He did not leave Naomi without a kinsman-redeemer.​

Sabbath still means "rest" as a noun rather than as a verb, but I don't see how that makes one twenty four hour day in seven eternal or anything like it.

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It is not irrelavant at all brother you have posted the root word of Sabbath which is rest. This is exactly what I said to you found in GENESIS 2:1-3 which is the origin of God's 4th Commandment. That root word is not the meaning of the HEBREW words SABBATH. You have correctly shown the meaning of the root word for SABBATH which is rest.

The difference between these is this...

REST = SHABATH שׁבת (H7373) this is the root word for SABBATH which is שׁבּת SHABBATH (H7676). Although REST (SHABATH) is the root word for SABBATH (SHABBATH) they are different HEBREW words and they have different meanings.

REST SHABATH שׁבת (H7373) A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

NOTE: This word is the resting or the keeping of the SABBATH now look at the meaning of the word SABBATH..

SABBATH SHABBATH שׁבּת (H7676) Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

NOTE: While the root word means rest and keeping the SABBATH the HEBREW word for SABBATH in God's 4th commandments means from one SABBATH to ANOTHER or from one rest to another.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Which day does NOT belong to the Lord Jesus?

On which day are we FORBIDDEN to worship?

The Sabbath commandment in the Decalogue is not about worship, but a rest from labor that extended even to one's employees, slaves, and farm animals.

BTW--The name of the last book in the NT does not end with an S.

Here is the Eastern tradition about the real significance of the Sabbath:

Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, ‘And God blessed the seventh day’. For this is the blessed Sabbath; this is the day of rest on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all his works, through the dispensation in accordance with death, he kept the Sabbath in the flesh; and returning once again to what he was through the Resurrection he has granted us eternal life, for he alone is good and loves mankind.

In othe words, the Sabbath was fulfilled 2000 years ago by the Savior, and hence has passed away.

Hello brother Monk Brendan, JESUS came to fulfill all the law and the prophets not just GOD'S 4th commandment. If he had not than he would not have been our perfect sacrifice who was without sin and blemish *HEBREWS 4:15; 9:28. That does not mean that all of God's 10 Commandments are abolished? God's LAW (10 Commandments) includes God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. Even Jesus in his death rested on the SABBATH accoding to God's 4th Commandment.

There is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and traditions of men handed down from the Roman Catholic Church that has led many to break the commandment of God.

The scriptures teach that God's people are in every Church living up to all the light God has revealed to them. Those who love God's WORD will hear his Voice (the Word of God) and come out to worship him in Spirit and in truth. JESUS says that those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth is come calls all men everywhere to repent and follow his Word *ACTS 17:30-31

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I've already expressed (to the wrong person" the Eastern Chritians' understanding of the weekly Sabbath.

However, we also teach that this reference in Revelation (note there is no S at the end of the name, btw) is referring not to a day of the week, but to the period of time called "the Day of the Lord."

Remember when Jesus said, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day." You don't think he was referring to the Saturday sabbath, or any 24 hour period, do you?

Yes brother thanks for sharing your thought. For me however, I do not believe REVELATION 1:10 (thanks for the s correction bad habbit) is speaking about the day of the Lord's vengence if that is what you are referring to as JOHN was in the heavenly Sanctuary in the presence of JESUS *REVELATION 1:11-20 at the time of this vision and the GREEK is in ownership of the day not the day of the Lord's vengence. Thanks for sharing your view however.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I dunno why you wait for a Saturday to be the Lord’s day, but everyday is the Lords day on my end.

Hi salt-n-light, nice to see you and welcome here brother.

Not everyday is BELSSED, SANCTIFIED AND MADE A HOLY DAY *GENESIS 2:1-3 that God commands us in the 4th commandment not to do any work on. *EXODUS 20:8-11

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Everyday is the is the day the Lord has made and some of us worship every day, and I rest on Saturday as the Lord had suggested. Sunday is the day I celebrate the resurrection of our Lord Jesus and ensure I celebrate it by going to the Eucharist.

So to argue over which day we should set aside to worship God simply doesn't make sense to me, maybe it is just another way to ignore the teaching of Jesus' inclusion of all brothers and sisters in Christ. After all we are the Body of Christ.

Hello brother gordonhooker,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here and nice to meet you. Yes I agree we should worship God EVERYDAY. However this is not the problem. God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is a day that God has BLESSED, SANCTIFIED and MADE A HOLY DAY *GENESIS 2:1-3. God has commanded his people to keep it this way *EXODUS 20:8-11. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. The issue here is about keeping the day dedicated to GOD as a memorial of creation, where we are to rest and no work is to be done.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello MMD nice to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Some comments below for your consideration.

Amen! In Matthew 12:8, Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees who accused the disciples of doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath, which does not prove the Lord's Day is Saturday.

Yet we read in God's WORD as we ask the question...

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

Yep seems like God's SABBATH DAY is the LORD'S DAY alright and there is no scripture to say that the LORD'S DAY is Sunday.

There is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and traditions of men handed down from the Roman Catholic Church that has led many to break the commandment of God.

I believe however the scriptures teach that God's people are in every Church living up to all the light God has revealed to them. Those who love God's WORD will hear his Voice (the Word of God) and come out to worship him in Spirit and in truth. JESUS says that those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth is come calls all men everywhere to repent and follow his Word *ACTS 17:30-31. God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

Sabbatarians maintain that the "Lord's Day" is the Sabbath and maintain that Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath, however that is a weak argument and the actual evidence for the first day (Sunday) is stronger.

Not really brother

In Revelations 1:10 "Lords Day κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ does not link to any scripture reference in the NEW TESTAMENT to μιά των σαββάτων (the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK).

κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

Your challenge in this OP is to prove that the LORD'S DAY is in reference to the First day of the week and prove it from the scriptures.

The GREEK words used in REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to God's OWNERSHIP of the DAY κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ.

God owns all the days of the week but there is only one that he has BLESSED and made a HOLY DAY of REST and has commanded his people to REMEMBER and keep *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11

ISAIAH 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY [God's ownership of the day]; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words:

EXODUS 31:12-18 [12] Then the Lord said to Moses, [13] Say to the Israelites, You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

Yep seems like God's SABBATH DAY is the LORD'S DAY alright.

Now where is the scripture you claim you have proof of that Sunday (or the first day of the week) is the LORD'S DAY? You have made lot's of claims but provide no scripture in support of them.

In all the 5 books that John wrote, he always called the Sabbath "the Sabbath." If Revelation 1:10 was the Sabbath, John would have said, "I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath." This gives stronger evidence that it was not the Sabbath, but the first day of the week - Sunday.

So this is what you believe is your scripture proof that the LORD'S DAY is Sunday? Yet nothing you have provided says that the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY and you have provided no scripture that says SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY. Now if you have provided no scripture support showing that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY, how is this proof that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY? By the way JOHN'S reference was to JESUS as the creator of the SABBATH REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to God's OWNERSHIP of the DAY κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ that JESUS is the LORD GOD and creator of that he made for mankind *MARK 2:27-28.

Jesus rose on the first day (Sunday - Matthew 28:1 - After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week..) The Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost Acts 2:1, which always falls on a Sunday. Early writings referred to Sunday as the Lord's day, as you correctly pointed out in post #9.

So?? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLSIHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY?

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Monna]

Psalm 118:24 (RSV)
This is the day which the Lord has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.

Colossians 1:16 (RSV)
for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

As for me ... EVERY DAY is the Lord's Day. He made it, so it is his by creation; it is for him, therefore it is his by purpose; I will not only rejoice in this additional day he has given me to live, I will rejoice in HIM and give thanks. I can worship him every day. I do not need a separate day to dedicate to him; if I am living in constant communication with Him, it should be normal that I dedicate every day, from beginning to end, to Him and to his service. I am learning (all too slowly) to observe what He is doing in the world around me, to recognise Him in events and even more in people, and to give Him thanks. (cf Romans 1:21)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Psalm 118:24 (RSV)
This is the day which the Lord has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.

Colossians 1:16 (RSV)
for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

As for me ... EVERY DAY is the Lord's Day. He made it, so it is his by creation; it is for him, therefore it is his by purpose; I will not only rejoice in this additional day he has given me to live, I will rejoice in HIM and give thanks. I can worship him every day. I do not need a separate day to dedicate to him; if I am living in constant communication with Him, it should be normal that I dedicate every day, from beginning to end, to Him and to his service. I am learning (all too slowly) to observe what He is doing in the world around me, to recognise Him in events and even more in people, and to give Him thanks. (cf Romans 1:21)

Hi Monna, nice to meet you and big welcome. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here sister and nice to meet you .

God has indeed made everyday for us but the discussion here in the OP is over REVELATION 1:10. Did you have a chance to read it? We should rejoice and worship God EVERYDAY. However this is not the problem. God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is a day that God has BLESSED, SANCTIFIED and MADE A HOLY DAY *GENESIS 2:1-3.

God has commanded his people to keep it this way *EXODUS 20:8-11. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

The issue here is about keeping the day dedicated to GOD as a memorial of creation, where we are to rest and no work is to be done.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Alithis]

Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only and friendly christian discussion.

We would like to show that the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find any scripture support for this teaching in any of God's WORD.

Let's start by looking at the scriptures that many use to claim SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"

REVELATIONS 1:9-11 [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10], I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!

NOW the only problem you have is the need to show scripture that says SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY.

Can you please provide scripture that says SUNDAY or the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the "LORD'S DAY"?

If you cannot find any scriptures to say that SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY" then you have a problem as your reading into the scriptures something that it is not saying.

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Now let's look at the scriptures that give the answer to our question

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?
A. MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

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Now friend's the SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of God's 10 Commandments and there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. The same as there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

John in the book of REVELATIONS 1:10 was in the SPIRIT on the SABBATH DAY not SUNDAY!

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HOW WAS THE LORD'S DAY CHANGED TO SUNDAY?

SUNDAY Worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break and ignore God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)

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ARE YOU FOLLOWING A MAN MADE TRADITION IN SUNDAY WORSHIP?

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

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What are your thoughts?

Friendly Christian discussion only please. (It is ok to agree to disagree)

God bless.

it is Neither.. the lords day is one eternity .one eternal rest .

 

[LoveGodsWord]

it is Neither.. the lords day is one eternity .one eternal rest .

Hello Alithis, nice you meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Where does it say in God's WORD that the Lord's day is eternity? REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to God's OWNERSHIP of the DAY κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ that JESUS is the LORD GOD and creator of that he made for mankind *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

God bless.

 

[Alithis]

Hello Alithis, nice you meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Where does it say in God's WORD that the Lord's day is eternity? REVELATION 1:10 is in reference to God's OWNERSHIP of the DAY κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ that JESUS is the LORD GOD and creator of that he made for mankind *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts however.

God bless.

what is the final rest of the redeemed ? answer : to be with the lord in eternity forever .
you seek to encourage us to worship a day
rome sought to control others by imposing a different day .
Jesus came to set us free and redeem us and reconcile is unto the eternal God where we will have rest forever in him. God is spirit those who worship him must do so in SPIRIT not in the outer observance of days
in the new Jerusalem there is NO SUN no moon no day no night .. for the lamb is the light there of .. there is just one perpetual eternal DAY . the true sabbath,the final rest . the one on this earth is only a foreshadow of the real thing to come .
people really need to stop worshipping days .. its idolatry to do so

 

[LoveGodsWord]

what is the final rest of the redeemed ? answer : to be with the lord in eternity forever .
you seek to encourage us to worship a day
rome sought to control others by imposing a different day .
Jesus came to set us free and redeem us and reconcile is unto the eternal God where we will have rest forever in him. God is spirit those who worship him must do so in SPIRIT not in the outer observance of days
in the new Jerusalem there is NO SUN no moon no day no night .. for the lamb is the light there of .. there is just one perpetual eternal DAY . the true sabbath,the final rest . the one on this earth is only a foreshadow of the real thing to come .
people really need to stop worshipping days .. its idolatry to do so

Hello brother Alithis, thanks for your post but no, I do not seek to encourage you or anyone else here to worship a day but only to worship and follow God through his WORD.

No one has rest in Christ in disobedience and unbelief in his WORD because by doing this they are not following God. This is exactly what HEBREWS 3 teaches.

HEBREWS 3:10-12; 17-19
[10], Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

All those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD do not enter into God's REST.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

...........

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...........

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Danthemailman]

Hello MMD nice to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Some comments below for your consideration.

Yet we read in God's WORD as we ask the question...

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8[8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

Yep seems like God's SABBATH DAY is the LORD'S DAY alright and there is no scripture to say that the LORD'S DAY is Sunday.

It seems that way to you because that's the only thing you want to hear. Once again, in Matthew 12:8, Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees who accused the disciples of doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath, which does not prove the Lord's Day is Saturday. You maintain that the "Lord's Day" is the Sabbath and maintain that Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath, however that is a weak argument and the actual evidence for the first day (Sunday) is stronger, in spite of your long winded argument.

*In all the 5 books that John wrote, he always called the Sabbath "the Sabbath." If Revelation 1:10 was the Sabbath, John would have said, "I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath." This gives stronger evidence that it was not the Sabbath, but the first day of the week - Sunday.

Jesus rose on the first day (Sunday - Matthew 28:1 - After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week..) The Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost Acts 2:1, which always falls on a Sunday. The New Testament also uses the phrase "the first day of the week" both for the early morning (Mary Magdalene John 20:1) and evening (the disciples in John 2:19) of Resurrection Sunday, as well as for the breaking of bread at Troas (Acts 20:7) and the day for the collection at Corinth. (1 Corinthians 16:2) You can continue to worship a day and remain under the law if you like. I will continue to worship my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and commemorate His resurrection day, which is SUNDAY.