IS THE LORD'S DAY REALLY SUNDAY OR GOD'S SABBATH DAY?

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Danthemailman

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Not really brother, please address the OP and the posts and scriptures provided to you. There is no smoke screen. You either have God's WORD for your teachings or you do not.

If you do please share it and address the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and where is the scripture that says Sunday is the LORD'S DAY? I am happy to share God's WORD, how about you?
Yes, really. I have already addressed the OP and Matthew 12:8 does not support your premise that Saturday is the Lord’s Day. The evidence for Sunday is stronger, as I already explained in my previous posts.

Asking me to show you the scripture that says the 4th Commandment has been abolished is a loaded question, yet believers under the new covenant are not commanded to keep the 4th Commandment under the old covenant (Hebrews 8:13; Colossians 2:16-17).

Why don’t you show me the scripture in the NT where the Church is commanded to keep the Sabbath day? You can’t show me because there is no such scripture.
 
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Saturday evening is the close of sabbath but it is more likely that Paul would have been teaching on Saturday evening instead of on Sunday evening. Why is this so? Because the verse itself states that he kept on talking until midnight because he intend to leave the next day which would be Sunday. Thus Paul, would have been meeting on the sabbath as was his usual habit and kept on teaching past sundown because of his planned departure. That is even more evident when one examines Paul's habit of meeting in the chapters leading up to Acts 20.
Acts 13:14 “14 From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down….”

Acts 14:1 “At Iconium Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue. There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed”

Acts 16:12 From there we traveled to Philippi, a Roman colony and the leading city of that district of Macedonia. And we stayed there several days.13 On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer.

Acts 17:1-2: “When Paul and his companions had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures…”

As far as I'm aware, there's no scriptural record of Paul meeting on Sundays so I have no good reason to believe otherwise.

Except Paul tells us the day he was speaking using 1st century jewish customs of numbering days saying "one of the Sabbath" (mia ton sabbaton) and this means Sunday. This is a what the overwhelmingly majority of scholars agree on.

in 59 english translations there are as follows:

47 "first day of the week" (YLT uses "first of the week")
[KJ21, ASV, AMP, AMPC, BRG, CSB, CEB, SEC, DARBY, DLNT, DRA, EHV, ESV, ESVUK, EXB, GNV, HCSB, ICB, ISV, PHILLIPS, KJV, AKJV, LEB, MEV, MOUNCE, NABRE, NASB, NCV, NET, NIRV, NIV, NIVUK, NKJV, NLV, NLT, NRSV, NRSVA, NRSVACE, NRSVCE, NTE, RSV, RSVCE, TLV, WEB, WE, WYC, YLT]

7 Sundays (not including AEB, EXB which has sunday in parentheses and listed above, the EXB even goes so far to suggest Sunday night)
[ERV, GW, TLB, MSG, NOG, TPT, VOICE]

1 Yom Rishon (which is Sunday)
[OJB]

1 "first of the sabbaths"
[JUB]

1 "morrow after the Sabbath day"
[NMB]

1 Saturday evening
[GNT]

1 Motza’ei-Shabbat (which is Saturday evening)
[CJB]

Not one translation states that this gathering was on the Sabbath and the closest would be Motza’ei-Shabbat which is the time in the evening immediately following the Sabbath but technically a different day. Jews counted days sundown to sundown, where Greeks counted them by the morning. It is unclear what actually is meant here and it is possible it is Saturday evening which technically is the start of first day of the week or it could be Sunday evening depending on how the author is counting days but what is clear is that it is the day after the Sabbath and that the customer was to gather on this day to break bread.

We count our days differently and it is possible the value of when this gathering starts has shifted from saturday evening to sunday (morning) but it still captures the value of meeting on the first day of the week and that value was never on the Sabbath but after the Sabbath. This is probably so as not to disturb customs of practicing Jews that were believers.
 
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Indeed brother no one enters into God's rest while breaking any of his commandments. HEBREWS 3:10-19
That's not what the gospel says. Pretty well everybody enters into God's rest while breaking the commandments in the Law. Romans 5:6 Consider, moreover, the that Christ died for us: when we were still helpless and unable to do anything. 7 Few would be willing to die for an upright person; although, for a very good person, maybe someone would dare to die. 8 But see how God manifested his love for us: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us; 9 and we have become righteous, through his blood. And now with much more reason he will save us from any condemnation. 10 Once enemies, we have been reconciled with God through the death of his Son; with much more reason, now we may be saved, through his life. 11 Not only that, but we even boast in God because of Christ Jesus, our Lord, through whom we have been reconciled.
 
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Matthew 22:36-40
Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law? Jesus replied: “Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”​

In the following verses is Paul assuming that those led by the Spirit (verse 18) are already adhering to the first and greatest commandment implying it's more of a challenge to love your neighbor than loving the LORD (something to ponder) ??

Galatians 12:14, 18
For all the Law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.​

When Paul says, "one word" we assume he means "love" (1 Corinthians 13:4-7). Doesn't this imply that True Love is only attainable when led by His Spirit and unattainable when led by the best intentions of man's theology/philosophy (e.g. secular humanism).


 
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