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I had problems before uploading images to Christian Forums.
Let me help you. The solution is to:
#1. Go to Christian Forums main page.
#2. Click on the Media button.
#3. Click on the Add Media button.
#4. Choose from drop down box to "Create Album" and name it.
#5. Click upload image.
#6. Click the Save button.
#7. Select the Image to View it in your Media Gallery.
#8. Right Click on the Image you want to use.
#9. Select the Option called "Copy Image Address."
#10. Go back to the thread you want to a post a picture at.
#11. Select the picture icon (Next to the video icon).
#12. Paste the image link in the pop up window and voila!
I hope that helps;
And may God bless you.
I’m using my IPhone and having problems attaching images. I’ll try later from my home computer.
The only difference (with your Iphone) is that you have to:
(a) Click on "Menu" to select "Media" and
(b) Scroll to the bottom and copy the image code (once the image is saved in your gallery).
Well, I am not in disagreement with God's grace, friend.
I believe we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace (Who is a person named Jesus Christ).
Without God's grace, we would all be doomed.
But God's grace is not a license to sin (Which is the envitable conclusion when somebody says Jesus pays for our future sin). Nowhere will you ever read about how Jesus paid for our future sins. God's grace does not teach ungodliness (i.e. that we can sin and still be saved). Titus 2:11-12 says that the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live godly and righteously in this present world. Hebrews 5:9 essentially says that Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him.
That's what they used to accuse Paul of, making grace a licence to sin...
You said:have YOU ever been accused of making grace a licence to sin?
You said:Well then you must be preaching a different gospel to Paul.
Do you believe future sin is forgiven a believer and do you teach that?
The lukewarm believing church was spewed out of the Lord's mouth because they lost their first love. They were told to repent and do the first works. They were not told to just believe on Jesus's sacrifice and they are all good to go. Again, it seems like you believe in a contradiction. You say on the one hand that you are saved by God's grace and not of works and yet you contradict yourself and say that is how you are saved because you say that sin can separate a believer from God. Sin is merely the breaking of God's laws. So you believe in keeping God's laws as a part of salvation.
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Take david as an OT example. We can use that example because the bible says all scripture is given for doctrine and reproof.
1) My version of grace states, we should not sin, but if we do, God will forgive us
2) Your version states if you sin you have broken God's law and will not be forgiven, for it is a grievous sin, only past sin is forgiven
But we see from David, he committed a sin worse than any we are likey to commit. Yet he was forgiven, and he moved on. He was surely BEFORE he committed the sin a Jew, but yet he committed a sin as a believer, and was forgiven. So his future sin was forgiven.
As believers we are to use examples, to test our faith, if we use David's example, we see future sin is forgivable.
The new testament backs this thought through verses like:
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
That verse says, a) We should not sin (current tense), but if we do (future tense) we will be forgiven.
What I am saying makes perfect sense if you see God as merciful, God would have us live without sin, that is true, but He has grace given in case we sin. God is not a merciless judge, but a kind kinsman. Yet he does not give us licence to sin. The way the Holy Spirit works is to convict us of sin, as the bible says "the one who is with out correction is illegitimate and not a son", the Holy Spirit draws us away from sin.
But where you are incorrect is you say only past sin is forgivable, you create a terminal sin.
Take david as an OT example. We can use that example because the bible says all scripture is given for doctrine and reproof.
1) My version of grace states, we should not sin, but if we do, God will forgive us
2) Your version states if you sin you have broken God's law and will not be forgiven, for it is a grievous sin, only past sin is forgiven
But we see from David, he committed a sin worse than any we are likey to commit. Yet he was forgiven, and he moved on. He was surely BEFORE he committed the sin a Jew, but yet he committed a sin as a believer, and was forgiven. So his future sin was forgiven.
As believers we are to use examples, to test our faith, if we use David's example, we see future sin is forgivable.
The new testament backs this thought through verses like:
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
That verse says, a) We should not sin (current tense), but if we do (future tense) we will be forgiven.
What I am saying makes perfect sense if you see God as merciful, God would have us live without sin, that is true, but He has grace given in case we sin. God is not a merciless judge, but a kind kinsman. Yet he does not give us licence to sin. The way the Holy Spirit works is to convict us of sin, as the bible says "the one who is with out correction is illegitimate and not a son", the Holy Spirit draws us away from sin.
But where you are incorrect is you say only past sin is forgivable, you create a terminal sin.
Salvation for the Jews was retrospective, that is after the cross, David was forgiven his sin before he even asked or confessed his guilt...just as we are once we are saved. But David lovers know he was never the same after, his life became hard. That is how it is.
And David's was adultery and murder.
hi .just in your last sentence there .want to clarify . not repented OR confessed but rather confessed AND repented ofWell, you misunderstood me. Your quote of these particular words by me is my talking about other Christians who think that doing these things are okay (When they clearly are not). That is the whole point of this thread. To point out grievous sins like lying, etc. and how they can destroy our souls (even if we do them once). Grievous sin leads to spiritual death (Which would include just one sin of lying - unless it is repented of or confessed to the Lord).
also to clarify - David sis not only confess when confronted by the conviction of god via the prophet . he also repented - HE NEVER did that behaviour again .So a person can be like a King David and commit murder and adultery for a short amount of time and be saved while doing so as long as they confess it later?
What is the point of confessing such a sin if one is already forgiven of such a sin beforehand? David was seeking forgiveness in his letter of confession to God for his sins. He was confessing so as to be forgiven of sin. He was not already forgiven. People who are already forgiven by God do not need to confess their sins. It makes no sense. To say that David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder is to say that a Christian can do the same thing (Which is teaching that God's grace is a license for immorality or sin). Imagine if you will, teaching this to a child. You can commit murder and adultery and be saved as long as you at some point pay lip service to God. But the act of grievous sin itself will not separate you from God. Can you imagine if this child turned out to be the next George Sodini because they believed they could sin and still be saved like a King David?
George Sodini is also a strong proponent of Eternal Security and or that your future sins are forgiven you (i.e. all sins are paid for by Jesus if you have a belief in Him). Yet, George murdered a bunch of people and took his own life. George confessed in his suicide letter the following words:
“Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”
This is the true fruits of Eternal Security. This is why the belief that says future sin is forgiven you or the Eternal Security belief is so dangerous.
To learn more about George Sodini, check out this article here. Such a belief makes light of sin and can turn a person into a monster. Sure, some here will say that does not happen to a true believer, etc., etc. But I see no difference between what George said about his belief vs. what many here say have said about their belief. Jesus said we will know a tree by it's fruit; And George's fruit was not good (Which is no doubt a direct result of his wrong belief).
King David committed adultery and murder but he was not forgiven of these sins while he was doing them. It is why he needed to confess of these sins. David needed to be forgiven of his sins. It's why he was confessing them. It is illogical to confess sin if you are already forgiven. Some say that David was merely restoring His fellowship and it had nothing to do with salvation. But David was asking for his sins to be forgiven and blotted out. If one's sins are not blotted out, then one is not forgiven or saved. David did not remain an adulterer or as a murderer. David did not justify his sin by saying he was saved and forgiven so there was no need for him to confess his sin to God. Folks are turning God's grace into a license for immorality. It is wrong.
Justifying sin and evil for a short amount of time under God's grace is just as wrong as justifying sin and evil all the time. Justifying habitual sin starts with justifying one grievous sin. It is evil and wrong to do so from the very beginning and it does not become evil and wrong by the 15th time (or more) a person commits that grievous sin.
Do you think Christians sin?
If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?
For example: Do you think lying, or cursing, or porn (lusting), hating, coveting are automatically covered by the blood of Jesus by having a belief alone on Him?
Well, I see the Bible repeatedly describe the word "repent" as the same thing as confessing sin and or as seeking God's forgiveness. I see the Bible describing forsaking sin and doing good deeds as what the Bible calls: "fruits of repentance." The "fruit of repentance" cannot be the same thing as "repentance;" That wouldn't make any sense. Anyways, here is...hi .just in your last sentence there .want to clarify . not repented OR confessed but rather confessed AND repented of
also to clarify - David sis not only confess when confronted by the conviction of god via the prophet . he also repented - HE NEVER did that behaviour again .
repentance that knowingly repeats the offence is simply evidence of hypocrisy. pretence insincerity and manifestation of the true motive of the heart .a declaration of whom and what the person truly loves .