Do you think Christians sin? If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

[Bible Highlighter]

People who take pleasure in unrighteousness? You are describing people who are not filled with the Spirit of God! That is NOT what I'm talking about. Those are not trespasses, but lawlessness. People who walk in darkness are not filled with God. I don't know how to repeat myself over and over and make you understand.

There are people who call evil good, and good evil. They substitute darkness for light, and light for darkness. They substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. They may do these things in ignorance (like today's Democratic party), but only because they do NOT have the Spirit of God in them, and they have been indoctrinated to believe the lie. They are committing willful sins in ignorance, but they are still lawlessness. Trespasses are debts - not sins of lawlessness. Ignorance is not the operative word. LAWlessness is the operative word.

You have brought up lying as if it is a minor sin. But there is no way someone can lie without knowing it is a lie. All brains have to work harder when telling a lie; thus, how lie detectors spot a lie. Lying is not minor in anyone's book. Certainly not God's. Even when I wasn't saved, I knew not to lie or to steal. These are not minor. You can do neither in "ignorance."

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

No. I did not say lying was a minor sin. You said that I said that. In fact, if you were to read my other posts in this very thread, I already made a point about Revelation 21:8 already in how all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. I am saying that just because somebody commits the sin of lying in ignorance does not mean they are saved while doing that sin. You see the sin of ignorance as minor transgression. I do not. I see the "sin of ignorance" as being defined as any sin that a person is not aware of. It does not mean they are saved if they are committing that sin in ignorance.

I am also not in disagreement that people who walk in the Spirit will be quick to recognize sin because they have the Spirit. I am talking about those who have sinned and fallen away and became spiritually dead from God temporarily like King David did.

I see minor sins that do not lead unto spiritual death as being called, "sins not unto death." But lying is always a grievous sin that can cause spiritual death (Whether one is ignorant or aware of it). Not sure how you would think I said otherwise by what I said. My definition for the "sin of ignorance" is not the same as yours.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I agree, except 1 John 1:9 is how to become a Christian, not an endless cycle of sinning and repenting. Acts 2:38 says to REPENT! Once is all it should take. It is how you receive the 'off switch' to sin, the Holy Spirit. He is the key to being "free indeed" John 8:34-36. He is the seed in us preventing us from continuing in sin, so there are no future willful sins. 1 John 3:9.

John says to the brethren (My little children), and not unbelievers (who are about to accept Christ) the following:

"My little children,... sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1).

The words "little children" is an indication that he is talking to those believers who need to mature in their faith in obeying GOD. Most Christians do not go from zero to hero overnight. Many of them need time to put away grievous sin out of their lives. But if they do not overcome sin and mature at some point and they remain spiritual babies and just think they are saved by having a belief on Jesus and there is no upright walk with GOD, then they need to prove that Christ is in them unless they are reprobate. We can have an assurance in knowing the Lord if we find that we are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3).

That does not mean the Holy Spirit takes away our free will. But our desire is to do righteousness, not evil. We love what God loves, and hates what God hates. However, the apostles have taught us to not put ourselves in the line of constant fire from the enemy. We are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. We are to walk in the Spirit, and it not just a suggestion, but a command to not quench the Spirit. He is our Spirit of Truth.

I totally agree with what you said here.

 

[1stcenturylady]

There are many times Christians who think they did not do wrong at one point in time and then later that sin is revealed to them and they later repent of it (i.e. Seek forgiveness with the Lord). I imagine many times this would be like lying or indulging in a movie that is sinful, etc.

I responded to this. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I know your point. That is why 1 John 3:9 says that a Christian cannot sin. Some have twisted 1 John 3:4 to say "practice" sin, but the word is commit - one time. We are to "practice" righteous, but to not commit sin.

I agree. 1 John 3:9 is not talking about practicing sin. 1 John 3:15 says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them. A person who murders once is considered a murder in both God's eyes (Numbers 35:16-18), and in our criminal justice system.

1 John 3:6 holds the key to understanding 1 John 3:9. 1 John 3:6 says whosoever abides in Him (Christ) sins not. So the person who is in the born again state and has the seed of Christ in themselves cannot sin while being in the born again state and while abiding in Christ. They have to switch sides to the devil by choosing to sin of their own fleshy human free will. If we are abiding in Christ and His good ways, and we want to remain that way, we will not sin. But we do have free will and can choose not to abide in Christ and choose not be in the born again state.

 

[1stcenturylady]

John says to the brethren (My little children), and not unbelievers (who are about to accept Christ) the following:

"My little children,... sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1).

The words "little children" is an indication that he is talking to those believers who need to mature in their faith in obeying GOD.

I agree. John is speaking to Christians here. But notice there is no reference to repentance for Jesus to be our Advocate. That refers back to 1 John 1:7, the type of sin one commits WHILE walking in the Spirit who DOES NOT lead anyone into lawlessness - lying, stealing, adultery, homosexuals, killing, etc.

Many of them need time to put away grievous sin out of their lives.

Those are not babes in Christ. But someone the Holy Spirit is still drawing, but has not indwelt. They are not saved. This is why Paul told the Corinthians to remove the young man sleeping with his step-mother. He wasn't a Christian. It is also why they were not to even have lunch with anyone calling themselves a Christian who weren't.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I agree. 1 John 3:9 is not talking about practicing sin. 1 John 3:15 says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them. A person who murders once is considered a murder in both God's eyes (Numbers 35:16-18), and in our criminal justice system.

1 John 3:6 holds the key to understanding 1 John 3:9. 1 John 3:6 says whosoever abides in Him (Christ) sins not. So the person who is in the born again state and has the seed of Christ in themselves cannot sin while being in the born again state and while abiding in Christ. They have to switch sides to the devil by choosing to sin of their own fleshy human free will. If we are abiding in Christ and His good ways, and we want to remain that way, we will not sin. But we do have free will and can choose not to abide in Christ and choose not be in the born again state.

I agree.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I responded to this. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said it.

Well, you misunderstood me. Your quote of these particular words by me is my talking about other Christians who think that doing these things are okay (When they clearly are not). That is the whole point of this thread. To point out grievous sins like lying, etc. and how they can destroy our souls (even if we do them once). Grievous sin leads to spiritual death (Which would include just one sin of lying - unless it is repented of or confessed to the Lord).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I think that Christians sin but those may not be held in account. IOW, how much faith do we have in God? Anything not of faith is sin. So how much of ourselves have we turned over to the Spirit which we receive through baptism?

That is not for me to judge.

Jesus says we can judge righteous judgment.
We are allowed to correct and rebuke according to the Scriptures (according to Paul). Paul says have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

So we can judge by the Word of God if somebody is justifying a sin that the Bible clearly condemns. What kind of sins can condemn if they are not repented of (confessed to the Lord Jesus)? Take your pick: Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, 1 John 3:15, etc.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well, you misunderstood me. Your quote of these particular words by me is my talking about other Christians who think that doing these things are okay (When they clearly are not). That is the whole point of this thread. To point out grievous sins like lying, etc. and how they can destroy our souls (even if we do them once). Grievous sin leads to spiritual death (Which would include just one sin of lying - unless it is repented of or confessed to the Lord).

I agree.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes Christians sin. He forgives all sin.

Further clarification:
If you are a Christian you will probably be convicted by the Holy Spirit to repent for your sin. If you are unaware that you have sinned then I believe God does not hold it against you.

So.... George Sodini, a professed Eternal Security Proponent who committed mass murder and then suicide was saved?

To learn more about George Sodini, check out this article here.

 

[Yarddog]

Jesus says we can judge righteous judgment.
We are allowed to correct and rebuke according to the Scriptures (according to Paul). Paul says have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

That has nothing to do with the question that I replied to. You didn't ask what was scripturally right or wrong, you ask what sin Jesus would forgive. That is up to Jesus to decide, not me.

 

[W2L]

Materialism and covetousness.

 

[disciple Clint]

Not true. A belief alone in Jesus will not save a person. Sin can destroy a person's soul. Sin can mean there is no eternal life abiding in them.

Proverbs 6:32 says,
"But whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

1 John 3:15 says,
"Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." ​

We have to confess and forsake sin to have mercy (See 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Proverbs 28:13, Matthew 12:41 cf. with Jonah 3:6-10).

Jason, you have the right to believe what ever you want to believe however you do not have the right to say that what I have said is "not true". I did not lie, I just happen to believe a different truth from the one you believe. Blessings

 

[JIMINZ]

Do you think Christians sin?

NO.

If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

Do you not know what Scripture says?

1Jn. 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You are building a new Theology by your making up of the word UNCONFESSED in relation to Scripture, this word does not appear in the Bible.

 

[JIMINZ]

To point out grievous sins like lying, etc. and how they can destroy our souls (even if we do them once). Grievous sin leads to spiritual death (Which would include just one sin of lying - unless it is repented of or confessed to the Lord).

You make it very difficult to discuss things with you when you continually make things up.

Everything you have said above, cannot be verified from the Bible, I guess that is why you have not provided any Scripture which would do so.

 

[JacksBratt]

Correction:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1).

I am "in Christ Jesus" and I "walk after the spirit, not after flesh" Yet, I am human and though I try not to.. I sin..

There is also no Bible verse that says we can die unrepentant grievous sin and still be saved. On the contrary, Jesus warned how certain sins can keep a person out of God's Kingdom (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62). Even John says that to just hate your brother means that you are a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Proverbs 6:32 says he that commits adultery destroys their own soul. So no, what you say here is correct.

So, I will give you a scenario:

You get up in the morning, you do your daily devotion, Repent of your sins and start your day.
On your way to work you see a nice car and ponder owning it (covetousness). Then you proceed to the freeway where the traffic is going 10 mph over the limit but you stay with the flow for safety and so you don't cause a line of cars behind you. (speeding, breaking a law, sin). At work, it's time to take a client to lunch, you are on the company tab and eat too much..(gluttony). The waitress is young and very attractive, you stare a bit too long (did Christ not say that this is adulterous).
You land that big contract with the client and tell yourself how valuable you are to the company (pride).

Any one of these is a sin.. not to mention all the others that can happen in a day..

Now, lets say that on your way home.. you have a heart attack.. and die... before repenting of these sins...

Are you going to be saved? Or are you condemned.

 

[friend of]

George Sodini sure thought the way you did, and he murdered a bunch of people and took his own life (See this article here to learn more about him)

I'm not one to be offended, but I resent the accusation that my way of thinking is somehow in sync with someone guilty of such horrific crimes against humanity. You've taken this Sodini example and are pushing it to an extreme. By what you've displayed of your thoughtwork, if a Christian has so much as one disobedient thought for all of 0.977 seconds the very next logical step, according to you, is that they will become a mass murderer. To myself and other Christian's, the logical next step for a brother or sister who harboured a flicker of disobediance is the expectation that they will be sorry about it, not think that they have acquired a license to sin and go on a sin binge. It is very humbling that Christ has washed us clean by his holy blood and we as Christians, thought not perfect, when we happen to transgress, do not forfeit our respect and awe of God's great mercy either willingly or no. One can be mindful of walking in holiness without drowning themselves in despair the moment an intrusive, sinful thought pops into awareness.

Admittedly, I sinned by swearing a few times yesterday. My corresponding inclination wasn't to go out and kill as many people as possible before offing myself.

Maybe others are simply more sensitive to their true desperate sinful state than you are to yours. And just because a Christian is sensitive to the nature of their sin and their failings as a faliable human being doesn't mean they must also hold an attitude of reckless abandon when it comes to sin, nor is your assertion correct that an acknowledgement of ones sin transforms said Christian into a George Sodini. It is remiss to think that a Christian's shortcomings by way of sin should immediately toss all their sanctification efforts to the gravel and force them to be champing at the bit to imitate George Sodini. No, George Sodini was a fundamentally misguided human exception and it is quite unwise (and lazy) for you to extrapolate this example and imply that his life is an accurate representation of those who offer disagreement with your salvific theology, which seems to be a works-based revolving door.

If you are attempting to obtain salvation outside of grace then you must adhere to the law utterly and totally. If you have already sinned in the past even once, you are already not eligible for salvation by keeping the law. James 2:10, Galatians 3:11, Roman's 3:21-26

If an old man is on his death bed surrounded by family and happens to lie to spare their feelings and forgets to explicitly call out to God for forgiveness (despite doing so his entire life) due to his weariness, does he somehow forfeit his justification and salvation by the blood of Christ? What kind of relationship is that? What is the Christian concept of justification to you if it is subject to constant refundability?

 

[JacksBratt]

So this means George Sodini was saved. He was a mass murderer and he then committed suicide. He was a huge believer in Eternal Security and he wrote in his suicide letter that his sins would be paid for by Jesus.

See this article here.

If he believed in Christ, as the risen savior... and accepted Christs work on the cross as something for everyone..If this was the true attitude of his heart, that he was a sinner and needed Christ to forgive him. If he gave all his sins to Christ, admitted that he was wrong..... YEPPERS.

Are you saying that he couldn't be saved?

 

[JacksBratt]

I know he forgives sins done out of a motive of love for others.

He forgives all sins... Except for one.. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Devin P]

Do you think Christians sin?
If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

For example: Do you think lying, or cursing, or porn (lusting), hating, coveting are automatically covered by the blood of Jesus by having a belief alone on Him?

It's not about the sins Jesus forgives, it's about the heart of the one He forgives.

If you forgive others and love Him and others, He'll forgive you of much. If you don't love Him and you don't love others and you don't forgive, He won't forgive you for much.

All of those you mentioned can be covered by the blood, only if the person repents from each of them. If they desire not to watch porn, if they desire not to hate, if they desire not to lie, but they still trip up and occasionally do, so long as they hate what they've done and strive to change their ways so as to not do it anymore, I believe there is forgiveness for that person. But, if they are happy living in their ways, watching porn, cursing others, lying, stealing, etc, there won't be forgiveness for that person. Not without repentance.