IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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Is it a sin to break the ten commandments? I.suppose if you are Jewish and still keeping yourself under the Old covenant, yes. Elsewhere it is just not listening.to a teacher. The Ten or the 600+ laws were never written or imposed on the gentiles unless you listen to the SDA and Ms.White the false prophetess.

If you wish to deny God's WORD it is between you and God I do not judge you. It is God's WORD that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. To think and teach that God's 10 commandments are abolished would be to deny most of the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scriptures and not understand what the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS are.

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..


1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matthew 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matthew 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matthew 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Romans 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Hebrews 8:10-12
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Ephesians 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Romans 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Romans 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Romans 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Romans 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Romans 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Romans 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Galatians 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Romans 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Romans 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Hebrews 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Peter 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Peter 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Peter 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Peter 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Peter 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Peter 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Peter 3:5-14)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 11:13-27.

Hope this helps
 
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If you wish to deny God's WORD it is between you and God I do not judge
Good. Because I did not commit the sin you spoke of. The law of Moses was given to the Jew. I am not a Jew. The law of Moses was not written to me. Now the commandments of Christ were written to me. Bit you and I would disagree on what those are.
 
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Good. Because I did not commit the sin you spoke of. The law of Moses was given to the Jew. I am not a Jew. The law of Moses was not written to me. Now the commandments of Christ were written to me. Bit you and I would disagree on what those are.

Well my friend I will leave that one between you and God. You have to deny a lot of scripture to believe that as shown in post # 1218 linked click me. Please feel free to respond to the post and all the scriptures in it that disagree with you. Simply ignoring the scriptures do not make them dissappear.
 
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Hi Steve, what is not true? Your making things up now. God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.

Let's look at the scriptures in detail...

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

To be continued Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL...

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GOD'S WORD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES ISRAEL IS THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD.

GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN TO GOD'S ISRAEL.

ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

The root represents Christ...

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

[21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.
[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.
[23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
[26], And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

[27], For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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GOD'S WORD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES ISRAEL IS THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD.

ISRAEL IS NOT THOSE IN THE FLESH

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now listen to Jesus talking to the Jews...

JOHN 8:31-39
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
[37], I know that you are Abraham's descendant; but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you.
[38], I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do that which you have seen with your father.
[39], They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

Jesus is saying the same thing as Paul in ROMANS 9:6-8 above. God's ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT is not being a decendent of Abraham it is CONTINUING in God's WORD by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING it.

The children of the promise are counted for the seed (ROMANS 9:8) ...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

continuing this same line of thinking from Jesus and Paul earlier...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12

Hope this is helpful.
What I said was true. What you are presenting is a doctrinal house of cards. You even buried Romans eleven at the bottom now. It was at the top before.
 
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What I said was true. What you are presenting is a doctrinal house of cards. You even buried Romans eleven at the bottom now. It was at the top before.

Not really Steve, The scriptures you provided were responded to in detail in post #1207 linked click me showing you had left out context in your interpretation of them. You simply decided to avoid addressing this post and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. This was being dismissive of the post and the scriptures provided in them that disagree with you. Please feel free to address the linked post above if you disagree?
 
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JUDGING RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT

Let's use God's Word as our guide...

Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:47-48).

We are sinners and sre not to judge anyone, neither do I judge you. Only God's Word can judge another this is why it is written...

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment (John 7:24).

There is only one good (Righteous) and that is God (Matthew 19:17). This is why the Word of God will judge us all in the last days and only the Word of God can judge RIGHTEOUSLY. So then we are permitted according to the scriptures to judge RIGHTEOUSLY which is according to God's Word.

All who follow him who LOVES all have a duty of LOVE to GOD and their FELLOW MAN to preach the GOSPEL (the WORD of God) because SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM. God's sheep hear HIS VOICE (the WORD = RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT)

Now God's Word says...

He that says he KNOWS HIM and DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS is a LIAR and the truth in NOT IN HIM (1 John 2:3-4)

So if someone is professing to be from God and does not teach or keep God's Commandments is it RIGHTEOUS Judgement to BELIEVE GOD'S WORD that this person is a LIAR and Does not KNOW God?

and again...

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Now if someone comes along and starts teaching against God's Law and the prophets is it RIGHTEOUS judgement to BELIEVE God's WORD and know that person is not following God's WORD?

and again......

Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. (1 John 3:6)

Now if someone comes along and starts teaching that breaking God's law is OK, and KNOWINGLY breaks God's commandments is it RIGHTEOUS judgement to BELIEVE God's WORD and know that person is not following God's WORD and does NOT KNOW GOD?

and again......

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that commits sin is of the devil;
for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:7-8)

Once again, if someone comes along and starts teaching that breaking God's law is OK, and KNOWINGLY breaks God's commandments is it RIGHTEOUS judgement to BELIEVE God's WORD and know that person is not following God's WORD and does NOT KNOW GOD and is following the Devil?

and again........

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:15-23)

Once again, if someone comes along and starts teaching that breaking God's law is OK, and KNOWINGLY breaks God's commandments is it RIGHTEOUS judgement to BELIEVE God's WORD and know that person is not following God's WORD and does NOT KNOW GOD and is following the Devil, and that person is a false prophet (messenger). If Jesus tells us that we shall know them by their fruit (SIN or OBEDIENCE) It is RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT to BELIEVE God's WORD?

Now we can go on and on but I think you get the point.......

Severe as it may sound it is the Word of God telling us that those who teach against God's Word including the 10 commandments are NOT BELIEVING God's Word. Now you can spin it any way you want to but at the end of the day it is God's Word not mine. God's Word is RIGHTEOUS judgement and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT. UNBELIEVERS are those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word teaching against God's LAW (Matthew 5:19).

Now the scriptures teach and say this not me. Our part is to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word. If we do not then we are UNBELIEVERS because we do not believe and follow God's WORD and are in danger of the Judgement. If I have LOVE to you as my neighbor and God has revealed His Word to me then I have a duty of LOVE to help my fellow man and warn him to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand because God is not willing that ANY should PERISH and not be saved (Ezekiel 3:17-21; 2 Peter 3:9).

Even though the scriptures may appear harsh sometimes they are written in LOVE to wake up those who may miss out on the blessings that God wants to give to all mankind. Those who wish to FOLLOW God must REPENT and BELIEVE the Gospel. It is the Word of God if you here God's Word calling you BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you....

God's sheep hear His Voice....
You are playing the child's game of "Button. button, who's got the button?" here. Claiming you are not judging others when you use your posts with scriptures to do your dirty work of judging others. You included a quote from John chapter twelve that says, "... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day..."

But here you are misusing the word before the last day to judge others. Saying, "God's WORD disagrees with you." When it clearly doesn't.
 
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You are playing the child's game of "Button. button, who's got the button?" here. Claiming you are not judging others when you use your posts with scriptures to do your dirty work of judging others. You included a quote from John chapter twelve that says, "... the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day..."

But here you are misusing the word before the last day to judge others. Saying, "God's WORD disagrees with you." When it clearly doesn't.

Not at all Steve, please feel free to respond to the posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. If you cannot then we should believe God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.
 
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Not at all Steve, please feel free to respond to the posts and scriptures in them that disagree with you. If you cannot then we should believe God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.
Don't inflate yourself to godlike proportions. You are not posting "God's WORD". Your posts are NOT the standard for truth. Far from it.
 
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Don't inflate yourself to godlike proportions. You are not posting "God's WORD". Your posts are NOT the standard for truth. Far from it.

For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day.
 
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What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cornithians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)
 
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Don't inflate yourself to godlike proportions. You are not posting "God's WORD". Your posts are NOT the standard for truth. Far from it.
Godlike..............Does one have to keep the Jewish sabbath in the New Jerusalem?

John 10:34-36
Jesus answered to them "is not it is having been Written in the Law of ye that I say 'gods/qeoi <2316> ye are'?
If those He said gods, toward whom the Word of the God became and not is able to be broken/annulled the Writing, whom the Father hallows and commissions into the world, ye are saying that 'Thou are blaspheming' that I said 'Son of the God I am
'" [Psalms 82:6]

Romans 2:
23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of you, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written
.'
[Psalm 74:10]

Revelation 16:11
And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them, and not they reform out of the works of them

Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

 
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Godlike..............Does one have to keep the Jewish sabbath in the New Jerusalem?

John 10:34-36
Jesus answered to them "is not it is having been Written in the Law of ye that I say 'gods/qeoi <2316> ye are'?
If those He said gods, toward whom the Word of the God became and not is able to be broken/annulled the Writing, whom the Father hallows and commissions into the world, ye are saying that 'Thou are blaspheming' that I said 'Son of the God I am'" [Psalms 82:6]

Romans 2:
23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of you, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written.'
[Psalm 74:10]

Revelation 16:11
And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them, and not they reform out of the works of them

Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

So, where in the Bible is God's 4th Commandment called the "Jewish Sabbath"? Not sure how you believe the scriptures you have provided support anything you are saying in your post. Did you wish you explain yourself any further? It would be easier to read what your posting if you do not post multi-colour.
 
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So, where in the Bible is God's 4th Commandment called the "Jewish Sabbath"? Not sure how you believe the scriptures you have provided support anything you are saying in your post. Did you wish you explain yourself any further? It would be easier to read what your posting if you do not post multi-colour.
Here in God's country of Texas, we Christian rednecks know how to keep the 10 commandments.

 
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What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cornithians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)
That's interesting. Nine lies about one of the Ten Commandments. And with bogus "proof-texts" no less. Not that I am surprised. Number three is close. I'll give a half point on that.

Mark 2:28
So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
 
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That's interesting. Nine lies about one of the Ten Commandments. And with bogus "proof-texts" no less. Not that I am surprised. Number three is close. I'll give a half point on that.

Mark 2:28
So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

What scriptures do you feel are bogus Steve? There are a lot of them that disagree with your teachings. Thanks for providing the scripture from Mark 2:28. Jesus is indeed Lord even of the Sabbath day. It is God's Word not mine. Do you believe it? If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day then how can it be abolished?
 
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What scriptures do you feel are bogus Steve? There are a lot of them that disagree with your teachings. Thanks for providing the scripture from Mark 2:28. Jesus is indeed Lord even of the Sabbath day. It is God's Word not mine. Do you believe it? If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day then how can it be abolished?
Once again you put words in my mouth. (false witness)
I didn't say the scriptures were bogus. I said your "proof-texts" were bogus.
But importantly, the points you are trying to make with the "proof-texts" are bogus. Are you not concerned that you are misusing "God's WORD" to make your denominational doctrinal claims? As stated earlier, there is more than one way of looking at these things. (Romans chapter 14) "Accept the one whose faith is weak..." (those who have put themselves under the law)

The point Jesus was making is that man was not made for the Sabbath. But what do you say? Do you not make the Sabbath more important than the man?

And what does it mean to be Lord of something? Does not the Lord have the authority to abolish it? (and he did)

Mark 2:27-28
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
 
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What scriptures do you feel are bogus Steve? There are a lot of them that disagree with your teachings. ...
That's interesting. When you post, you call it "God's WORD" (that disagrees with me). When I post, you call it teaching. Which you claim, disagrees with "God's WORD" (your posts).
 
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Once again you put words in my mouth. (false witness)
What words did I put in your mouth Steve?
I didn't say the scriptures were bogus. I said your "proof-texts" were bogus.
Steve this is what you wrote here...
Saint Steven said: That's interesting. Nine lies about one of the Ten Commandments. And with bogus "proof-texts" no less. Not that I am surprised. Number three is close. I'll give a half point on that.
I asked you what scriptures do you feel are bogus? Your the one that said I used bogus proof texts. I asked which ones did you feel were bogus. They were your words not mine I am just asking you which ones.
But importantly, the points you are trying to make with the "proof-texts" are bogus.
Not really Steve I provided scriptures as proof texts earlier to show that the scriptures you provided were taken out of context and did not fit the interpretation you were trying to put on them. Now I do not mind what you think as they are God's WORD'S not mine. So your argument is between you and God. If you feel something that I have said is not correct please feel free to address the posts and scriptures that have been provided as a help to you and prove your accusations. All I hear so far is your words in place of God's WORD. We ought to obey God rather then the teachings and traditions of men that break ther commandments of God. *ACTS 5:29; ROMANS 1:5; MATTHEW 15:3-9.
Are you not concerned that you are misusing "God's WORD" to make your denominational doctrinal claims?
Not at all Steve, you have been provided scriptures proof for everything that has been posted to you. All your doing is making empty claims you cannot prove with scripture. Only God's WORD is true *ROMANS 1:5. We ought to obey God rather then the teachings and traditions of men that break ther commandments of God. *ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:3-9.
The point Jesus was making is that man was not made for the Sabbath. But what do you say? Do you not make the Sabbath more important than the man?
The point Jesus was making was that the Sabbath was made for man. I think you missed it or ignored the first half of the scripture in order to try and make it mean something else.
MARK 2:27, And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath.
And what does it mean to be Lord of something? Does not the Lord have the authority to abolish it? (and he did)
So where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLSHED and we are now commaded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY? (Scripture please Steve)
Mark 2:27-28 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
I am happy when I see you post these scriptures. What do you think they mean?

Thanks for sharing.
 
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I see a lot of scrap book theology.. meaning i see a lot of cut and pasting, places where you take verses out of their written biblical context and the pasted on the back of whatever you had to say...

riddle me this..

If God wanted what you said known the way you said it then why oh why is it not compiled or all written down one place in the bible?

After all if not for you or your religion this specific take this scrap book doctrine would not otherwise be known... Think about who else would have come up on this specific combination of verses? So then you should ask yourself to whom is God speaking if you need a specific combination of verse fragments pasted together with just the right sermon to get to your doctrine?

Why oh why would God make it so hard to read his bible? unless... he didn't. What if there was a single book that put everything sin and law in perspective? would you yield to this singular source teaching or would you deny it and bind yourself with the law? (which according to this single source you are more than welcome to do/Which is why I will not force it on you, lest my freedom become your stumbling block.) If you need the law if you have so much freedom you can bnd yourself with it, however there comes a warning that you must really really live by every letter..

So if when you are read to be free let me know, otherwise just thing about what I said about having to pull scraps of verses together to create doctrine, and who God is speaking to... would anyone else find this message out side my church/ my group of people who are taught to see these verses this way with this glued on message? if no then know God is not the one speaking you are, but again if there is grace when we sin there is also grace when we worship with all we have and come up with our own self served doctrines as well. God will allow you to serve under the law as long as you like if that is what you need. If however you are ready to live free then you are obligated to seek out the truth.
 
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I see a lot of scrap book theology.. meaning i see a lot of cut and pasting, places where you take verses out of their written biblical context and the pasted on the back of whatever you had to say...

All I see is your words written over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. If you believe your statement to be true then prove it with the scriptures. Now if you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD?

riddle me this.. If God wanted what you said known the way you said it then why oh why is it not compiled or all written down one place in the bible? After all if not for you or your religion this specific take this scrap book doctrine would not otherwise be known... Think about who else would have come up on this specific combination of verses? So then you should ask yourself to whom is God speaking if you need a specific combination of verse fragments pasted together with just the right sermon to get to your doctrine? Why oh why would God make it so hard to read his bible? unless... he didn't. What if there was a single book that put everything sin and law in perspective? would you yield to this singular source teaching or would you deny it and bind yourself with the law? (which according to this single source you are more than welcome to do/Which is why I will not force it on you, lest my freedom become your stumbling block.) If you need the law if you have so much freedom you can bnd yourself with it, however there comes a warning that you must really really live by every letter.. So if when you are read to be free let me know, otherwise just thing about what I said about having to pull scraps of verses together to create doctrine, and who God is speaking to... would anyone else find this message out side my church/ my group of people who are taught to see these verses this way with this glued on message? if no then know God is not the one speaking you are, but again if there is grace when we sin there is also grace when we worship with all we have and come up with our own self served doctrines as well. God will allow you to serve under the law as long as you like if that is what you need. If however you are ready to live free then you are obligated to seek out the truth.

Riddle me this why is it written in God's WORD the following scriptures and what do you think they means?

MATTHEW 13:14-15
[14], And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which said, By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive:
[15], For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

MATTHEW 3:19-21
[19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

1 CORINTHIANS 1:19-21
[19], For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
[20], Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[21], For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 CORINTHIANS 3:19
[19], For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men. Jesus says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9 and the reason that those who do not come to the light is because their deeds were evil. Who should we believe your words or God's? *ROMANS 3:4.

Hope this helps.
 
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