IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

[LoveGodsWord]

as per my previous post, I will be stepping out of this conversation (once you break a 1000 replies I doubt anything can be added anyways), I wish the best to you.

Hello Damian, I am not sure why you do not wish to discuss the topic now or what you mean by 1000 replies? It is all good whatever you decide to do. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it. I wish you only the best in the Lord Jesus.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hello Damian, I am not sure why you do not wish to discuss the topic now or what you mean by 1000 replies? It is all good whatever you decide to do. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it. I wish you only the best in the Lord Jesus.

He is discussing the topic. You jump from the "traditions of men" to the Ten Commandments without a thought as to what it means. Even sitting in chairs at church is a western tradition of men. In new testament times they stood for the entire service. If you which to shun the traditions of men, get rid of those ghastly chairs in church. Do it like they did in ""God's WORD".

1 Corinthians 14:30
And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He is discussing the topic. You jump from the "traditions of men" to the Ten Commandments without a thought as to what it means. Even sitting in chairs at church is a western tradition of men. In new testament times they stood for the entire service. If you which to shun the traditions of men, get rid of those ghastly chairs in church. Do it like they did in ""God's WORD".

1 Corinthians 14:30
And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop.

Not really Steve,

Just some thoughts here that have been shared already with some others elsewhere.

There is nothing wrong with traditions for traditions sake. The question that needs to be considered is when is tradition wrong? God's WORD answers this question and says we must be careful placing man made traditions over the Word of God.

COLOSSIANS 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Jesus says it this way...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

and Peter makes this statement...

ACTS 5:29, Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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CONCLUSION: MAN MADE TRADITIONS and TEACHING are BAD when they lead us to break the commandments of GOD and lead us away from God's WORD. Jesus says those who do such things are not following God and Peter says we ought to obey God rather then man.

Hope this is helpful brother. There is a time when traditions is fine as long as it does not lead someone to break God's Commandments and lead others away from God's WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

They are not different from all the rest of the laws.

The blood of slaughtered clean animals must be poured on the ground and covered with earth. (Leviticus 17:10-16)

Actually many of the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. It is God's eternal laws written by God on the two tables of stone however that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172.

 

[Saint Steven]

Actually many of the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ. It is God's eternal laws written by God on the two tables of stone however that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172.

There are no "shadow laws".
The whole of the law is a shadow. (the reality is found in Christ)

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There are no "shadow laws".
The whole of the law is a shadow. (the reality is found in Christ)

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Hello Steve, nice to see you.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?

You mix up God's eternal law [10 Commandment] that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172 with the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

Let's look at the scriptures and show the context you leave out...

HEBREWS 10:1-19
[1], For the law having a SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things [WHAT LAW WAS A SHADOW?], can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the ones approaching perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshipers once purged should have had no more consciousness of sins.
[3], But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
[4], For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you desired not, but a body have you prepared me:
[6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

.............

NOTE: What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 for remission of sin not the 10 commandments written by God on two tables of stone...

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

.............

Continuing..

[8], Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [MOSIAC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7]
[9], Then said he, Lo, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW

[10], By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12], But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
[15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
[16], This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

NOTE: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE * ROMANS 13:8-10.

……………..

CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT is made up of 1. God’s LAW (10 Commandments) and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Both laws had a difference purpose under the OLD COVENANT. God’s 10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to point out what sin is and the standard of righteousness, while the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT pointed to Christ as our true sacrifice for sin and God’s plan of salvation from sin under the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps...

 

[Saint Steven]

Hello Steve, nice to see you.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?

You mix up God's eternal law [10 Commandment] that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172 with the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

Let's look at the scriptures and show the context you leave out...

HEBREWS 10:1-19
[1], For the law having a SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things [WHAT LAW WAS A SHADOW?], can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the ones approaching perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshipers once purged should have had no more consciousness of sins.
[3], But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
[4], For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you desired not, but a body have you prepared me:
[6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
[7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

.............

NOTE: What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 for remission of sin not the 10 commandments written by God on two tables of stone...

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

.............

Continuing..

[8], Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [MOSIAC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7]
[9], Then said he, Lo, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW

[10], By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12], But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
[15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
[16], This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

NOTE: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE * ROMANS 13:8-10.

……………..

CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT is made up of 1. God’s LAW (10 Commandments) and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Both laws had a difference purpose under the OLD COVENANT. God’s 10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to point out what sin is and the standard of righteousness, while the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT pointed to Christ as our true sacrifice for sin and God’s plan of salvation from sin under the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps...

I didn't mix up anything except maybe a bitter pill for you to swallow. Speaking of swallowing... We are NOT swallowing your story about "shadow laws".

The law is a singular thing. You like to split it up so you can put a bit here and a bit there. But it is all one thing.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I didn't mix up anything except maybe a bitter pill for you to swallow. Speaking of swallowing... We are NOT swallowing your story about "shadow laws".

The law is a singular thing. You like to split it up so you can put a bit here and a bit there. But it is all one thing.

Swallow...........

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

Numbers 16 [Jude 1:11 Revelation 12:16]
31 As soon as Moses had finished saying all this, the ground beneath them split open,
32 and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them and their households, all Korah’s men and all their possessions.
33 They went down alive into Sheol with all they owned. The earth closed over them, and they vanished from the assembly.

Revelation 12
15 and the serpent did cast forth after the woman, out of his mouth, water as a river, that he may cause her to be carried away by the river,
16 and the land did help the woman, and the land did open its mouth and did swallow up the river, that the dragon did cast forth out of his mouth;

Jude 1:11
Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I didn't mix up anything except maybe a bitter pill for you to swallow. Speaking of swallowing... We are NOT swallowing your story about "shadow laws".

The law is a singular thing. You like to split it up so you can put a bit here and a bit there. But it is all one thing.

Hello Steve, nice to see you.

You can choose to believe God's WORD or not believe God's WORD you have been provided the scriptures in post # 1186 linked above. These are God's WORD not mine. Your disagreement is with God not me.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hello Steve, nice to see you.

You can choose to believe God's WORD or not believe God's WORD you have been provided the scriptures in post # 1186 linked above. These are God's WORD not mine. Your disagreement is with God not me.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

I hope you are not implying that you are somehow posting "God's WORD". Not by a long shot.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I hope you are not implying that you are somehow posting "God's WORD". Not by a long shot.

Now Steve, please stop making things up. There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you in post # 1186 linked above. Does this not concern you? It should. You do not have to respond to the scriptures posted in the linked post if you do not wish to. Maybe you can pray about it at home. These are God's WORD not mine.

 

[Saint Steven]

Now Steve, please stop making things up. There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you in post # 1186 linked above. Does this not concern you? It should. You do not have to respond to the scriptures posted in the linked post if you do not wish to. Maybe you can pray about it at home. These are God's WORD not mine.

Yes, I am quite concerned. But not for me.

Galatians 4:17
Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, I am quite concerned. But not for me.

Galatians 4:17
Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them.

Now Steve, how does what you have posted relate to anything we are discussing from the scriptures in relation to the Shadow laws in post # 1186 linked above? You have been provided with God's WORD showing what the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. These are not God's ten commandments as you claimed earlier. You were provided the scripture CONTEXT also to what you posted earlier. Can you see your error here?

 

[Saint Steven]

Now Steve, how does what you have posted relate to anything we are discussing from the scriptures in relation to the Shadow laws in post # 1186 linked above? You have been provided with God's WORD showing what the shadow laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. These are not God's ten commandments as you claimed earlier. You were provided the scripture CONTEXT also to what you posted earlier. Can you see your error here?

I already posted "God's WORD" about the law being a shadow. But you rejected "God's WORD".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I already posted "God's WORD" about the law being a shadow. But you rejected "God's WORD".

Indeed and you were shown in post # 1186 linked above that you took those scriptures out of context and refuse to respond to the scripture in the linked post that disagree with you.

 

[Saint Steven]

Indeed and you were shown in post # 1186 linked above that you took those scriptures out of context and refuse to respond to the scripture in the linked post that disagree with you.

There's nothing out of context about it if you understand that the law is a singular thing. Besides you didn't respond to both the scriptures I posted. I can see why this one was too hot to handle.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There's nothing out of context about it if you understand that the law is a singular thing. Besides you didn't respond to both the scriptures I posted. I can see why this one was too hot to handle.

Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you as shown in the scriptures in post # 1186 linked above. You mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal laws that give us a knowledge of what sin is. The SHADOW laws and special ceremonial Sabbath connected to the JEWISH annual feast days are not God's 4th Commandment weekly Sabbath.

These "SPECIAL" ceremonial Sabbath were referred to in COL 2 are not God's 4th Commandment. These were yearly Sabbaths connected to the Jewish annual festivals that could fall on any day of the week and were connected to the annual festivals.

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you. As shown in post # 1186 linked above, your mixing up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal laws [10 Commandments] that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS

Hope this helps

 

[Saint Steven]

Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you as shown in the scriptures in post # 1186 linked above. You mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's eternal laws that give us a knowledge of what sin is. The SHADOW laws and special ceremonial Sabbath connected to the JEWISH annual feast days are not God's 4th Commandment weekly Sabbath.

These "SPECIAL" ceremonial Sabbath were referred to in COL 2 are not God's 4th Commandment. These were yearly Sabbaths connected to the Jewish annual festivals that could fall on any day of the week and were connected to the annual festivals.

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you. As shown in post # 1186 linked above, your mixing up the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal laws [10 Commandments] that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS

Hope this helps

Sorry, the whole subject of "Shadow laws" is an unbiblical fabrication. The Bible teaches no such thing. It is only found in your denominational doctrine, nowhere else to my knowledge.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sorry, the whole subject of "Shadow laws" is an unbiblical fabrication. The Bible teaches no such thing. It is only found in your denominational doctrine, nowhere else to my knowledge.

Yet here we are with a lot of biblical scripture that disagrees with you and you are not able to respond to in post # 1186 linked above and elsewhere. Does it not worry you Steve, that God's WORD disagree with you?

 

[Saint Steven]

Yet here we are with a lot of biblical scripture that disagrees with you and you are not able to respond to in post # 1186 linked above and elsewhere. Does it not worry you Steve, that God's WORD disagree with you?

No, here we are with a doctrinal house of cards that the Bible does not teach. You are attaching cherry-picked "proof-texts" to your own fabricated ideas and then claiming that it is "God's WORD" that agrees with you and not me. Nonsense.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to be concerned. You promote the Ten Commandments night and day, yet the title "Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the New Testament. It's that important.