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Whosoever believes is unconditional = salvation by grace. Whosoever chooses to believe is conditional = salvation by works.
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Whosoever believes is unconditional = salvation by grace. Whosoever chooses to believe is conditional = salvation by works.
the truly infinite doesn't have the luxury of random choiceDo you believe that you will be saved based on God's foreknowledge of your ultimate choice? OR
Based on God's random choice/selection?
What do you based that on?
(1) Do you believe Gods foreknowledge of an event means that event is predestined to come to pass?
(2) Did God predestinate the individual of His body or did God predestinate the body?
Choosing to believe as a condition of salvation robs God of his glory in salvation and applies some of it to yourself.I disagree with you.
study your bible and find out.
Choosing to believe as a condition of salvation robs God of his glory in salvation and applies some of it to yourself.
Good people = less sin = less grace = less glory for God in salvation = you rob God of his glory.I disagree. It makes God even more glorified to have people who willfully choose Him than having people who do it simply because they were designed that way. I believe to say that some are simply designed to choose Him and some are designed to reject Him is a glorified way of saying that God created robots that will choose Him and robots that couldn't choose Him--even if they wanted to. I fail to see how that brings God glory.
It isn't a work for me to choose Him. The fact that He allowed and even planned for me to have that choice is itself a Divinely Sovereign work. Jesus said "If I am lifted up, I will draw all men to Myself." And, yet, not all men come, to be saved, by their God-given choice. Paul said to Timothy that God wants "all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth." Peter said similar when he said that God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Yet, Jesus reports a different result in His foretelling of what is going to happen in the end of this age, both through the Gospels and in Revelation.
The most amazing part of God's Absolute Sovereignty to me is that He could force everyone, but what would He gain? But, allowing people to choose--something He speaks of over and over again (OT and NT)--and still able to bring about what He promises for those who do choose Him is an absolute show of how powerful and how amazing He truly is! Wow!!!!!! I stand in awe of Him!
In answer to your questions:
(1) NO! He just knows what is going to happen before it does. And, in fact, He knew it before the foundation of the world.
(2) Great question. This is what I believe:
"For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)
I believe based on God's foreknowledge, He foreordained individuals. Though this is just coming to me as I respond, I am reminded of King David as a type/shadow of us. He was, within time, foreordained/anointed to be king before he actually became king. God told Samuel that He looks at the heart when He chose David to be the future king.
This doesn't negate the necessity of biblical study.There are plenty of people who study their Bible with preconceived notions and end up just as wrong after studying as they were before they started.
I believe based on God's foreknowledge, He foreordained individuals.
I disagree. It makes God even more glorified to have people who willfully choose Him than having people who do it simply because they were designed that way.
the truly infinite doesn't have the luxury of random choice
This doesn't negate the necessity of biblical study.
We do not have to follow the book. Some people believe that everyone's name is written in the book of life before the foundations of the world. So their name has to be blotted out of His book in order for people to perish.But, if God writes every page of the book of our life before we are born, how do we truly have choice?
Absolutely nothing works if we do not have free will. WE have many choices that God requires us to make. We choose life or death, blessing or curse, sickness or health, poverty or prosperity. Everyone of God's promises for us is a choice because we have to do our part and then we can be sure God will do His part of the covenant.
God can not have a covenant with someone that does not have choice. He does write every page of the book of our life before we are born. The Angels and the Holy Spirit helps us to follow that book and God's plan for us. Some people choose not to follow God and they use their gifts, talents and abilities to serve themselves or to server the serpent.
Random really does not exist. Everything in the natural world follows the fibonacci sequence (3 5 8 13) For example sea shells follow this sequence to deal with the forces of gravity. Plants follow this sequence to make best use of the energy from light.
True. Nor the excuse of random choice.the truly infinite doesn't have the luxury of random choice
You seem to think that those are the only beliefs, and mutually exclusive.Do you believe that you will be saved based on God's foreknowledge of your ultimate choice? OR
Based on God's random choice/selection?
What do you based that on?
Do you believe that you will be saved based on God's foreknowledge of your ultimate choice? OR
Based on God's random choice/selection?
What do you based that on?
are these not conflicting thoughts?