Is the Sabbath Commandment proof that the TCs are not for Christians?

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John 16:8 says that it is The Holy Spirit who does the work of convicting the world of sin, and of leading us into all the knowledge of the truth, and Romans 12:2 tells us to "come out of her, my people" - become fashioned into the likeness of Christ. So, it isn't reasonable to expect that a Christian is going to instantly be made into the fullness of Christ, rather it takes time for Him to do that work by teaching us.

There is a critical difference between the Torah of God being in our heart, and the knowledge of right and wrong. Knowledge takes time to grow, whereas the Torah written on our heart is a spiritual disposition: love.

The change that happens when God puts the Torah in our heart is that we stop resisting the truth that convicts us, instead we crave to learn more and more about His ways (Proverbs 18:15).

Knowledge, OTOH, comes through daily exposure to the word of God (Matthew 4:4, Ephesians 4:15-16), and it is God's work that makes us grow (John 15:1-2).

That would be sad, it really would, but it does seem that you have to make a decision now as to who you will follow. You cannot serve two masters, and I have just shown you that it is The Holy Spirit who will guide you into all knowledge of the truth.

On one hand, I am showing you that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, that He has said "observe the Sabbath day - keep it holy, do no labour on it, either yourself, your slave or your animals".. and I have shown in post #86 how that has been subverted through the Pagan assault on Christianity through Constantine.

.. Let me know if there is anything that seems wrong to you in what I am saying, that I may be able to clarify.
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds
.

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
Heb10:16&17

Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4

Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20

You cannot hide from law placed in your most inward parts, you must be conscious you sin when you wilfully transgress it. I repeat, I have no consciousness of sin by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath, never have had. But I have been conscious of much sin in my life.
If you are suggesting gentile Christians must observe all of torah, I assume you must believe the leaders of the Jerusalem church gave gentiles a licence to sin(Acts ch15)
 
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Are we sinning if we keep the Ten Commandments legalistically and not in love? Paul says we can be martyrs to no avail if not done in love.

Dave,

So, is it not a sin if someone is murdered and I judge that person legalistically according to OT and NT commands?

I don't find any of the 10 commandments (Ex 20; Deut 5) in the OT that state, "Thou shalt love one another".

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<wbdb>Why would you need to see a direct command in the NT to keep the Sabbath when the early Christians referred to OT writings for guidance?
You do realize that the NT, as we know it today, didn't exist during the time of the Apostles, right?
Paul was referring to the OT when he said, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
(2 Timothy 3:16–17, New King James Version)
No direct command needed to be given to the Gentiles regarding the Sabbath because it wasn't an issue. Christians of the first century were keeping the Sabbath day holy.
"The earliest Christians did not reject Judaism, but were convinced that their faith was the fulfilment of the Messiah whom Jews over the ages had been anticipating. For this reason, Christianity in Jerusalem continued to keep the Sabbath and attend worship at the Temple. To this they added the observance of the first day of the week, in which they gathered to break bread in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus." (The Story of Christianity by Justo L. Gonzalez, The Church in Jeruslem, pg. 27)
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How does this work? You ignore my post completely, where OBTW I quoted historical evidence from the Jewish Encyclopedia, and quote some guy named Justo Gonzalez who offers zero evidence?
Please explain to me when did the gentile Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Thessalonika and all the other gentile locations mentioned in the NT were given copies of or were taught Torah? You claim that "Christians of the first century were keeping the Sabbath day holy" but there is no evidence of that in the NT.
.....Yes Paul did say "
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” and he was referring to the OT since the NT did not exist at that time, to Timothy. But Timothy's must have been a Jew because Paul said he knew the scriptures from childhood. But that does not explain how gentile Christians throughout the Mediterranean could have had the OT or that they were Sabbath keepers.
Don't expect any further response from me until you use proper format for quotations. Your post is a mess! And I am not going to fix it. With the amount of comments you have, you should know better by now.

By the way, doing a simple search on Google will show you who Justo L. Gonzalez is. He is an authoritative source when it comes to Christian history.
 
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The NT says that we are not under the law. The TCs are part of that law that we are not under. One either accepts the whole package, or rejects the whole package. You can't really pick nine out of the 613 and claim you have this figured out.

Steven,

I beg to differ. This is the NT teaching:

"14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)" [Rom 2:14-15 NIV].​

I don't pick and choose which ones I agree with. I, as a born-again Gentile, have God's law written in my nature, my heart, my conscience and these internal mechanisms alert me (bear witness) to thoughts that accuse me or are cleared.

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Don't expect any further response until you use proper format for quotations. Your post is a mess! With the amount of comments you have, you should know better by now.
I use proper quotation format. Someone throwing a hissy fit and refusing to respond to my post does not make me wrong.
 
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I use proper quotation format. Someone throwing a hissy fit and refusing to respond to my post does not make me wrong.
Your quotation style is not according to proper format for this platform. Use the tools provided in the way they are meant to be used. Messy posts (like yours) are not easy to follow or respond to.

By the way, I gave you a valid response. Because you didn't get the point doesn't make it invalid.
 
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Steven,

I beg to differ. This is the NT teaching:

"14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)" [Rom 2:14-15 NIV].​

I don't pick and choose which ones I agree with. I, as a born-again Gentile, have God's law written in my my nature, my heart, my conscience and these internal mechanisms alert me (bear witness) to thoughts that accuse me or are cleared.

Oz
We are in agreement except on definitions. (I added bold highlights to your post)

There is a difference between "God's law" and "the law".

As you say, we have "God's law" written on our conscience. That's what the scripture you quoted is talking about. When we follow that law, we are fulfilling the requirements of "the law". Even though we do not have "the law".
 
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Your quotation style is not according to proper format for this platform. Use the tools provided in the way they are meant to be used. Messy posts (like yours) are not easy to follow or respond to.
By the way, I gave you a valid response. Because you didn't get the point doesn't make it invalid.
I will have to assume you don't now what you are talking about since you will not or cannot clarify what you mean and I have been active at this forum for almost 2 decades and you are the first person to criticize my quoting style. I use quotation marks when necessary and block quotes which are more than 2-3 lines long as I have been doing since college and grad school.
 
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I will have to assume you don't now what you are talking about since you will not or cannot clarify what you mean and I have been active at this forum for almost 2 decades and you are the first person to criticize my quoting style. I use quotation marks when necessary and block quotes which are more than 2-3 lines long as I have been doing since college and grad school.
hahaha

Whatever...

Have a nice day!
 
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That's not the point.

Sure it is, it makes the fitting point I'm trying to make perfectly...that's why you didn't answer the question.

Are you under the law or under grace?

I'm under grace that God would bother to save me to begin with, however, call it law or whatever, one would have to be living in lala land, and be completely delusional to not see that we are expected to obey the rules in the following verses. They say what we cannot live like or do as a lifestyle, and say exactly what will happen if we do...clear as a bell.

Once you read the scripture, tell me if you can do those things as a lifestyle and still be saved? I ask because I seem to remember posting some of that scripture already and there was no comment on it...it's there for a reason, repeated several times for a reason, and it can be evaded, but it won't go away....ever.

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

Gal 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eph 5:3-6 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No sexually immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

Rev. 22:12-16 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

Matt 25:41-46 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
 
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I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Are you taking that to say we can break the law willy nilly, but we are still saved, because we are saved by grace?

No, righteousness cannot be gained by the law but were does anyone get the idea salvation cannot be lost/put in jeopardy by breaking at least some of the law/rules...like some I just mentioned. It absolutely can, and it says it right there in the scripture in my prior post.

Nowhere in any of the scripture you mention does it say we can sin certain sins and remain saved, as a matter of fact, once again, the scripture I posted says we absolutely cannot.

Why does being saved by grace rule out loss of salvation due to breaking clear rules? I'll tell you why, because that's what people want to get out of those scriptures. Problem is, being saved by grace, and loss of salvation due to certain sin are both scriptural, but some insist on throwing the one out and keeping the one that allows them to do as they wish.

Stop looking for permission to live in sin as a lifestyle, it is not and never will be biblical.
 
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I have a theory that the very presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten informs us that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.

Is the presence of the Sabbath Commandment
proof that the TCs are not for Christians?


The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.
That being the case, how could a set of commandments carrying
the Sabbath commandment be for anyone else?

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12, 20
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy. 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”

While the Law was only given to Israel, it was never meant only for Jews, but rather Jews were given the role by God of being a light to the nations, of blessing them by teaching them to repent from their sins and how to walk in God's ways in obedience to His Law (Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6, Deuteronomy 4:5-8). In Exodus 12:38, there was a mixed multitude that came up out of Egypt with Israel and in Joshua 8:33, Israel was inclusive of both the foreigner and the native born, so there have always been righteous Gentiles who have sought by faith to repent from their sins and to learn how to walk in God's ways. In Acts 15:16-17, they quoted the prophecy in Amos 9:11-15 in application to themselves, so they certainly saw themselves as being the restoration of Israel in fulfillment of prophecy rather than as a brand new entity that was distinct from Israel. In Romans 9:6-8, Israel is not made up of those who are descended from Israel, but of those who have faith in the promise. In Ephesians 2:19, through faith in Messiah, Gentiles are no longer strangers of aliens, but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God. In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are part of God's chosen people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession, which is Israel, so Gentiles have the privilege of getting the obey the instructions that God gave to Israel for how to fulfill those roles. However, if you want to be a stickler about what was only for Israel, then according to Jeremiah 31:31 the New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, so it is only through becoming joined to Israel through faith in Messiah that Gentiles are able to partake of the New Covenant.
 
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I have a theory that the very presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten informs us that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.

Is the presence of the Sabbath Commandment
proof that the TCs are not for Christians?


The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.
That being the case, how could a set of commandments carrying
the Sabbath commandment be for anyone else?

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12, 20
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy. 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”

I think that these verses clearly indicate that the Sabbath was also for Gentiles who had affiliated themselves with the God of Israel:

Isaiah 56:1-7 Here is what Adonai says: “Observe justice, do what is right, for my salvation is close to coming, my righteousness to being revealed.” 2 Happy is the person who does this, anyone who grasps it firmly, who keeps Shabbat and does not profane it, and keeps himself from doing any evil. 3 A foreigner joining Adonai should not say, “Adonai will separate me from his people”; likewise the eunuch should not say, “I am only a dried-up tree.” 4 For here is what Adonai says: “As for the eunuchs who keep my Shabbats, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant: 5 in my house, within my walls, I will give them power and a name greater than sons and daughters; I will give him an everlasting name that will not be cut off. 6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to Adonai to serve him, to love the name of Adonai, and to be his workers, all who keep Shabbat and do not profane it, and hold fast to my covenant, 7 I will bring them to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”
 
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While the Law was only given to Israel, it was never meant only for Jews, but rather Jews were given the role by God of being a light to the nations, of blessing them by teaching them to repent from their sins and how to walk in God's ways in obedience to His Law (Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6, Deuteronomy 4:5-8). In Exodus 12:38, there was a mixed multitude that came up out of Egypt with Israel and in Joshua 8:33, Israel was inclusive of both the foreigner and the native born, so there have always been righteous Gentiles who have sought by faith to repent from their sins and to learn how to walk in God's ways. In Acts 15:16-17, they quoted the prophecy in Amos 9:11-15 in application to themselves, so they certainly saw themselves as being the restoration of Israel in fulfillment of prophecy rather than as a brand new entity that was distinct from Israel. In Romans 9:6-8, Israel is not made up of those who are descended from Israel, but of those who have faith in the promise. In Ephesians 2:19, through faith in Messiah, Gentiles are no longer strangers of aliens, but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God. In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are part of God's chosen people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession, which is Israel, so Gentiles have the privilege of getting the obey the instructions that God gave to Israel for how to fulfill those roles. However, if you want to be a stickler about what was only for Israel, then according to Jeremiah 31:31 the New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, so it is only through becoming joined to Israel through faith in Messiah that Gentiles are able to partake of the New Covenant.
Thanks for your post. Welcome to the thread. Good to see you again.

We have discussed this before, as you may recall. And while the scripture you share support the concept that Israel was reaching out to the world, it seems it was never carried out to any sizable degree. Converts to Judaism were rare indeed. I agree that it happened, but it was an anomaly. After Pentecost and through Christianity this changed dramatically. The Apostle Peter was led to the house of Cornelius and the Apostle Paul was also led to the gentiles.

But more to the point, the Israelites had little interest in gentiles, whom were considered uncircumcised and thus unclean. And as Peter said when he entered the house of Cornelius, "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile." - Acts 10:28

And in reference to the new covenant, the Apostle Paul writes: "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." - 2 Corinthians 3:6

Therefore, the new covenant is not of the letter (the law), but rather of the Spirit.
 
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I think that these verses clearly indicate that the Sabbath was also for Gentiles who had affiliated themselves with the God of Israel:

Isaiah 56:1-7 Here is what Adonai says: “Observe justice, do what is right, for my salvation is close to coming, my righteousness to being revealed.” 2 Happy is the person who does this, anyone who grasps it firmly, who keeps Shabbat and does not profane it, and keeps himself from doing any evil. 3 A foreigner joining Adonai should not say, “Adonai will separate me from his people”; likewise the eunuch should not say, “I am only a dried-up tree.” 4 For here is what Adonai says: “As for the eunuchs who keep my Shabbats, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant: 5 in my house, within my walls, I will give them power and a name greater than sons and daughters; I will give him an everlasting name that will not be cut off. 6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to Adonai to serve him, to love the name of Adonai, and to be his workers, all who keep Shabbat and do not profane it, and hold fast to my covenant, 7 I will bring them to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”
Again, I agree with what you are saying in theory, and the scripture confirms God's intentions for the gentiles. But in practice we see something else.

In fact, in many scriptures I have to ask, "Where's the news?". Meaning, why was this message important enough to dry an animal hide, mix ink, and cut a quill to write it and then preserve the scroll to be read for millennia? Obviously God gave this message to the prophet and it was recorded for us. But do we have any historical or biblical record that it was taken to heart by the people? Or were they more likely to relate to their separateness from the nations. That they alone were the chosen people.

In the day of Jesus we see a nation that hated the gentiles. Even Samaritans were despised. Jesus made a point of this in the parable of the good Samaritan. And when he spoke to the Samaritan woman she remarked: "You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.) - John 4:9

Jesus spoke of sheep "not of this sheep pen" (Israel) that he must also bring. So, think he saw them as separate too. I suppose the question is, who is the one flock? Is it Israel, or what do call the redeemed?

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
 
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Dave,

So, is it not a sin if someone is murdered and I judge that person legalistically according to OT and NT commands?

I don't find any of the 10 commandments (Ex 20; Deut 5) in the OT that state, "Thou shalt love one another".

Oz
It still remains, the Ten Commandments were aimed at wicked people to keep them civil under threat of death. But no one could actually keep them except the born again through a motive of love.

Are you good if you do not steal under threat of death? No, you are only good if you give in love instead of stealing.
 
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I have a theory that the very presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten informs us that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.

Is the presence of the Sabbath Commandment
proof that the TCs are not for Christians?


The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.
That being the case, how could a set of commandments carrying
the Sabbath commandment be for anyone else?

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12, 20
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy. 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
In Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. This was stated, by God, before there was a Jewish person so either Genesis is in error about what God expect of us, or no matter how you slice it, the 10 Commandments are for Jew and Gentile alike. ALL of them. Some folks seem to work so hard at avoiding God's leadership that they are missing the TOTALITY of Biblical teaching. It is not just the fact that there are consequences that will take you further and further from God. If we take out even one Commandment, study then the impact that would make on the whole Word of God. For example, take out "Thou shalt no commit adultery." Throw it out and the story of David ceases in it's entirety because it wasn't just that David was a great man in the eyes of God, he paid the consequences for what he did. Stole another mans wife. Had her husband murdered. Watched the son of that illicit union die. How much of the story of David would be impacted to the point that there would be NO message from David's story. 1. Do not have any other gods before Me. 2. Do not not make for yourself a carved image... 3. Do not not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. 4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 5. Honor your father and your mother... 6. Do not not murder. 7. Do not not commit adultery. 8. Do not steal. 9. Do not not bear false witness against your neighbor. 10. Do not covet...anything that is your neighbor’s. These are the cornerstone of being a Christian. Take the Sabbath observance out of the 10 Commandments and you would still and must comply with Genesis 2:3, or be in denial of God's sovereignty. May all of us be blessed to believe the Word of God.
 
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I have a theory that the very presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten informs us that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.

Is the presence of the Sabbath Commandment
proof that the TCs are not for Christians?


The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.
That being the case, how could a set of commandments carrying
the Sabbath commandment be for anyone else?

Exodus 31:13
Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20:12, 20
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy. 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”


His commandments are for all who are a part of His Kingdom.


Please understand that the law of Moses was temporarily added to the Covenant, until the Seed should come.



Abraham kept His commandments and laws, 430 years before the law was added.


because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:5



However, it is imperative to note that before the law was added, the Sabbath was man for man to rest.


The way the Sabbath was observed under the law, is what changed.


His commandments are very much a part of the New Testament.

His commandments are all about love.

Loving God, and loving our neighbor.



Here are a few examples:


  • and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”



Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10


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For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


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He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


  • " I know Him" is the definition for eternal life. [John 17:3]



The way we remain in Christ is by obeying Him and His teachings, commandments,word, doctrine.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



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Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9



  • Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.




JLB
 
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