Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

[JLB777]

When all else fails, pull out the straw man argument. Seeking salvation by works is not the obedience of faith.

If I'm teaching obedience and you are opposed to what I'm teaching, what else is there?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Those who do not obey the gospel are those who do not believe the gospel. *Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

Obeying the Gospel command to repent is how people are saved.


You can believe all day Lord that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead, but if you don't obey the command to repent then your faith is dead.


You are teaching people they don't have to repent, which is to disobey the Gospel.


Yours is the Gospel of disobedience.


I have asked you this question and you just made deceitful excuses about it.


Does Romans 10:10 say:


Believe in your heart unto salvation?

or


Confess with your mouth unto salvation?


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

JLB

 

[BNR32FAN]

Repentance precedes believing the gospel. Those who have truly repented believe the gospel and those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. *Two sides to the same coin. Producing fruit is the effect of salvation, not the cause.

Believing in Christ for salvation is sufficient to save because the OBJECT of our belief/faith (Christ's finished work of redemption) is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:22-28).

How can a person repent if they don’t believe? Repentance is the same as being born again. We are a new creation. It is turning away from sin and turning to God. A person cannot turn to God without first believing. Salvation is not received until we die or Jesus’ second coming. I think it could depend on if the person has the opportunity to produce fruit. For example a person on their death bed who accepts Jesus as their Savior could possibly be saved without having done works. My point is that works are evidence of our faith. A person who refuses to do good works will not be saved simply by believing.

 

[JLB777]

How can a person repent if they don’t believe? Repentance is the same as being born again. We are a new creation. It is turning away from sin and turning to God. A person cannot turn to God without first believing. Salvation is not received until we die or Jesus’ second coming. I think it could depend on if the person has the opportunity to produce fruit. For example a person on their death bed who accepts Jesus as their Savior could possibly be saved without having done works. My point is that works are evidence of our faith. A person who refuses to do good works will not be saved simply by believing.

That's the Gospel Paul preached, that was taught to Him personally by Jesus -


Words of Christ in red -


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20

• that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

Anything else is the devil's gospel of disobedience.



But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9




JLB

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's the Gospel Paul preached, that was taught to Him personally by Jesus -


Words of Christ in red -


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20

• that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

Anything else is the devil's gospel of disobedience.



But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9




JLB

Yes many people hear that all you must do is believe and think they’re saved without any kind of life change, change of heart, compassion for others, or good works. They believe they don’t have to have to stop getting drunk every weekend, they don’t need to help that homeless person on the side of the road, they don’t need to pay tithes to the church, they don’t need to stop cursing, etc. They think they don’t have to do anything except believe and they will be saved. People living that way don’t have Christ in them. I lived that way before I came to Christ and I praise The Lord for reaching out to me. He made my life a living hell before and I thank him with all my heart because He pulled me in to Him. If I had not suffered those hard times I would’ve never turned to God for help. Since I’ve come to Christ I’ve received more blessings than I can count. Last week my first child was born. My son. Praise Our Heavenly Father!!

 

[GodsGrace101]

Yes many people hear that all you must do is believe and think they’re saved without any kind of life change, change of heart, compassion for others, or good works. They believe they don’t have to have to stop getting drunk every weekend, they don’t need to help that homeless person on the side of the road, they don’t need to pay tithes to the church, they don’t need to stop cursing, etc. They think they don’t have to do anything except believe and they will be saved. People living that way don’t have Christ in them. I lived that way before I came to Christ and I praise The Lord for reaching out to me. He made my life a living hell before and I thank him with all my heart because He pulled me in to Him. If I had not suffered those hard times I would’ve never turned to God for help. Since I’ve come to Christ I’ve received more blessings than I can count. Last week my first child was born. My son. Praise Our Heavenly Father!!

CONGRATULATIONS!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yes many people hear that all you must do is believe and think they’re saved without any kind of life change, change of heart, compassion for others, or good works.

This is a blatant system of faith plus works for salvation. Yet there isn't ANY verse that says this. None at all. So why do you persist in believing that works are required for salvation?

The ONLY reason is that you just don't believe Scripture.

Eph 2:8,9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this (salvation) is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

The red words directly refute your unbiblical system.

Then Paul wrote about WHY we are saved:
10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

It's only WHEN we have been created IN Christ that we can do good works. That's the point.

Those who believe that anything they do regarding lifestyle etc will assist in their salvation will be sadly mistaken.

Consider this crowd, for example:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Note that Jesus doesn't call them liars, or challenges their claims, but He tells them plainly that He never knew them. That proves that they never believed.

Point is; works have no place in salvation.

Works are WHY we have been born again.

They believe they don’t have to have to stop getting drunk every weekend, they don’t need to help that homeless person on the side of the road, they don’t need to pay tithes to the church, they don’t need to stop cursing, etc. They think they don’t have to do anything except believe and they will be saved.

None of these things contribute to salvation. And you know there are no verses that support your claim. I've given a list of 24 verses all about how to have salvation and eternal life, and NONE of them mentions anything other than belief.

People living that way don’t have Christ in them.

Probably most, but not all. What you've described is what Eph 5:18 (grieve the Spirit) and 1 Thess 5:19 (quench the Spirit) looks like. These are believers way out of fellowship.

I lived that way before I came to Christ and I praise The Lord for reaching out to me.

To "come to Christ' means to believe in Him for salvation.

So, before you did that, of course you would live the way you described.

He made my life a living hell before and I thank him with all my heart because He pulled me in to Him.

It's called conviction of sin, per John 14:16.

If I had not suffered those hard times I would’ve never turned to God for help. Since I’ve come to Christ I’ve received more blessings than I can count. Last week my first child was born. My son. Praise Our Heavenly Father!!

Amen!! But none of this has anything to do with how to be saved.

But, just to be clear, please identify what you did specifically that assisted God in your salvation?

 

[Danthemailman]

If I'm teaching obedience and you are opposed to what I'm teaching, what else is there?

JLB

I'm opposed to salvation by works, which is not obedience.

 

[Danthemailman]

Obeying the Gospel command to repent is how people are saved.

Those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Those who truly believe the gospel already understand this. Acts 20:21 - ..repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Where you have one, you have the other. Two sides to the same coin.

You can believe all day Lord that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead, but if you don't obey the command to repent then your faith is dead.

You can believe "mental assent" in your head all day Lord that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" but if you don't repent and believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation, then your faith is dead.

You are teaching people they don't have to repent, which is to disobey the Gospel.

Yet another straw man argument. I NEVER once told anyone that they don't have to repent. Those who have truly repented believe the gospel and those who believe the gospel have already repented.

Yours is the Gospel of disobedience.

Yours is a "works based" false gospel. Mine is the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Notice in Acts 11:17 - Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift (Holy Spirit) as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

*In Acts 11:18, this is referred to as "repentance unto life." Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ have already repented.

I have asked you this question and you just made deceitful excuses about it.

Does Romans 10:10 say:

Believe in your heart unto salvation?

or

Confess with your mouth unto salvation?

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10 with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I made no deceitful excuses about it and I already thoroughly explained this to you just recently in post #1209 and NUMEROUS other times. As I said before, you just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear.

 

[Danthemailman]

How can a person repent if they don’t believe?

If one does not believe in the existence or historical facts about Christ, then they are not going to repent and believe the gospel.

Repentance is the same as being born again. We are a new creation. It is turning away from sin and turning to God. A person cannot turn to God without first believing.

Repentance is a change of mind and believing the gospel is the new direction of this change of mind. Repentance and believing the gospel are inseparable in salvation. Two sides to the same coin. Repentance actually precedes saving belief in Christ.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.

Mark 1:15 - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.

Acts 20:21 - .."repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." *Notice the order.

A person cannot believe (trust) in Christ alone for salvation without repenting (changing his mind) in the process. In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of repentance unto life (saving faith in Christ), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there.

The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind. *Where salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. *It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side, what you change your mind about and faith in Christ is on the positive side, the new direction of this change of mind. *Repentance and faith are two sides of the same experience of receiving Christ.

In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of repentance in receiving salvation (faith in Christ), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there. Repentance, metanoia, focuses on changing one's mind about his previous concept of God (as in Acts 17:30) and disbelief in God or false beliefs (polytheism and idolatry) about God (see 1 Thessalonians 1:9). On the other hand, this change of mind, focuses on the new direction that change about God must ultimately take, namely, trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Certain people misunderstand the term "repentance" to simply mean "turning from sin" or "completely stop sinning." That is not the Biblical definition of repentance. In the Bible, the word "repent" means to "change your mind." The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance (change of mind). Certain people confuse the "fruit of repentance" with the "essence of repentance" (and also do the same thing with faith) and end up teaching salvation by works.

I have heard certain people say, "If you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins." If turning from your sins means to stop sinning, then people can only be saved if they stop sinning. And in that case, it is unlikely that anyone will be saved, since we don't know anyone who has ever "completely stopped sinning."

Salvation is not received until we die or Jesus’ second coming. I think it could depend on if the person has the opportunity to produce fruit. For example a person on their death bed who accepts Jesus as their Savior could possibly be saved without having done works. My point is that works are evidence of our faith.

Don't confuse justification with glorification.

A person who refuses to do good works will not be saved simply by believing.

A person who claims to have faith, yet produces no works at all has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not genuine faith. How do you define believing?

 

[Danthemailman]

Yes many people hear that all you must do is believe and think they’re saved without any kind of life change, change of heart, compassion for others, or good works. They believe they don’t have to have to stop getting drunk every weekend, they don’t need to help that homeless person on the side of the road, they don’t need to pay tithes to the church, they don’t need to stop cursing, etc. They think they don’t have to do anything except believe and they will be saved.

Those who truly believe the gospel and are saved have experienced a life change (believers are new creations in Christ - 2 Corinthians 5:17 and the love of God has been poured out into the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to us - Romans 5:5). Praise God! I experienced a drastic life change upon my conversion several years ago that continues today, but I certainly don't claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time and apart from Christ I can do nothing.

There are also many people who think they are saved because they believe they are "doing all the right things," as you mentioned above, yet they don't truly believe/trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. We read about such people in Matthew 7:22-23 who trust in their works for salvation and Jesus NEVER knew them. *Self moral-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration, yet there are plenty of people who are "religious" but not right with God.

 

[JLB777]

Yes many people hear that all you must do is believe and think they’re saved without any kind of life change, change of heart, compassion for others, or good works. They believe they don’t have to have to stop getting drunk every weekend, they don’t need to help that homeless person on the side of the road, they don’t need to pay tithes to the church, they don’t need to stop cursing, etc. They think they don’t have to do anything except believe and they will be saved. People living that way don’t have Christ in them. I lived that way before I came to Christ and I praise The Lord for reaching out to me. He made my life a living hell before and I thank him with all my heart because He pulled me in to Him. If I had not suffered those hard times I would’ve never turned to God for help. Since I’ve come to Christ I’ve received more blessings than I can count. Last week my first child was born. My son. Praise Our Heavenly Father!!

Congratulations on your child!


You are blessed.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

Those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Those who truly believe the gospel already understand this. Acts 20:21 - ..repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Where you have one, you have the other. Two sides to the same coin.

If a person repents, it means they have turned to God in submission to Him as Lord.


If a person is called to turn to God, then by default they are called to turn away from Satan as their Lord.


They way we obey the Gospel command repent, is to turn to God in submission to Him as Lord, by confessing Jesus as Lord.


That's the Gospel Paul preached, that was taught to Him personally by Jesus -


Words of Christ in red -

• in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20

• that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

That is how we obey the Gospel, by confessing Jesus as Lord.


If Jesus is now your Lord, then we are to obey Him.


“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
Luke 6:46-49


Those who continue to obey Christ and His teaching continue to have God.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9




JPT

 

[BNR32FAN]

If one does not believe in the existence or historical facts about Christ, then they are not going to repent and believe the gospel.

Repentance is a change of mind and believing the gospel is the new direction of this change of mind. Repentance and believing the gospel are inseparable in salvation. Two sides to the same coin. Repentance actually precedes saving belief in Christ.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.

Mark 1:15 - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.

Acts 20:21 - .."repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." *Notice the order.

A person cannot believe (trust) in Christ alone for salvation without repenting (changing his mind) in the process. In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of repentance unto life (saving faith in Christ), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there.

The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind. *Where salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. *It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side, what you change your mind about and faith in Christ is on the positive side, the new direction of this change of mind. *Repentance and faith are two sides of the same experience of receiving Christ.

In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of repentance in receiving salvation (faith in Christ), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there. Repentance, metanoia, focuses on changing one's mind about his previous concept of God (as in Acts 17:30) and disbelief in God or false beliefs (polytheism and idolatry) about God (see 1 Thessalonians 1:9). On the other hand, this change of mind, focuses on the new direction that change about God must ultimately take, namely, trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Certain people misunderstand the term "repentance" to simply mean "turning from sin" or "completely stop sinning." That is not the Biblical definition of repentance. In the Bible, the word "repent" means to "change your mind." The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance (change of mind). Certain people confuse the "fruit of repentance" with the "essence of repentance" (and also do the same thing with faith) and end up teaching salvation by works.

I have heard certain people say, "If you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins." If turning from your sins means to stop sinning, then people can only be saved if they stop sinning. And in that case, it is unlikely that anyone will be saved, since we don't know anyone who has ever "completely stopped sinning."

Don't confuse justification with glorification.

A person who claims to have faith, yet produces no works at all has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not genuine faith. How do you define believing?

WOAH WOAH WOAH!! Wait a minute why didn’t you put the entire definition of metanoia from Strong’s concordance?

And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

repent


G3340


Lemma:

μετανοέω


Transliteration:

metanoéō


Pronounce:

met-an-o-eh'-o


Part of Speech:

Verb


Language:

greek


Description:

1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins"Repentance (metanoia, 'change of mind') involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 97.)

Perhaps you should read past the first sentence to get the full message. I think I’ve already mentioned this about reading the Bible. The same applies for strongs concordance. Repentance is turning away from sin and towards God. Hence believing is not the only requirement for salvation. Did you think I wouldn’t catch that? Lol

 

[BNR32FAN]

Those who truly believe the gospel and are saved have experienced a life change (believers are new creations in Christ - 2 Corinthians 5:17 and the love of God has been poured out into the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to us - Romans 5:5). Praise God! I experienced a drastic life change upon my conversion several years ago that continues today, but I certainly don't claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless 100% of the time and apart from Christ I can do nothing.

There are also many people who think they are saved because they believe they are "doing all the right things," as you mentioned above, yet they don't truly believe/trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. We read about such people in Matthew 7:22-23 who trust in their works for salvation and Jesus NEVER knew them. *Self moral-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration, yet there are plenty of people who are "religious" but not right with God.

There are also many people who think they are saved because they believe they are "doing all the right things," as you mentioned above

I’m confused the people I mentioned don’t do anything except believe. They haven’t changed their life at all. They think they just have to believe and can continue to live their same sinful life without repenting or producing fruit and they will be saved. The truth is they will be very surprised when they call Lord Lord and Jesus says ‘away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬

 

[Danthemailman]

If a person repents, it means they have turned to God in submission to Him as Lord.

If a person is called to turn to God, then by default they are called to turn away from Satan as their Lord. Words of Christ in red -

in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

I noticed that you did not bold the words, "they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me." When one repents and believes the gospel, they turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

They way we obey the Gospel command repent, is to turn to God in submission to Him as Lord, by confessing Jesus as Lord.

There are many works-salvationists who truly believe they have repented and turned to God in submission (but it was on their terms, not His) while confessing Jesus as Lord and just like these many people in Matthew 7:21-23, their repentance was nothing more that moral self-reformation while turning to their false religion in submission to it instead of submission to God and their confession of Jesus as Lord was merely "lip service" confession. *Notice what these many people in Matthew 7:22 were trusting in for salvation. WORKS. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Sobering words for those who trust in works for salvation!

That's the Gospel Paul preached, that was taught to Him personally by Jesus

The gospel that Paul preached is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). It's interesting how you mention nothing about BELIEVING the gospel.

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20

that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

That is how we obey the Gospel, by confessing Jesus as Lord.

If Jesus is now your Lord, then we are to obey Him.

You are confusing the fruit of repentance (do works befitting repentance) with the essence of repentance (to think differently or afterwards reconsider; after thought change of mind). When we repent and obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16; Acts 15:7-9), we turn to God and the fruit is performing deeds appropriate to repentance. So mere moral self-reformation is not repentance. Refusing to believe the gospel and continuing to trust in works for salvation along with "lip service" confession that Jesus is Lord not by the Holy Spirit is neither turning to God or obeying the gospel.

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

Like these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 who trusted in their works for salvation, but failed to do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21; John 6:40).

Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.” Luke 6:46-49

As we read in Matthew 7:24-27, we find two different foundations with two different results, and not salvation by works, as some would suppose. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the sand and it collapses.

Those deceived by their own self-righteousness in Matthew 7:22-23 were "outwardly" doing all the things that the righteous would do yet they did not truly know Christ (had no personal relationship with Christ) which stemmed from not truly believing in Him. The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone (1 Corinthians 3:11; 10:4). The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. *The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.

Those who continue to obey Christ and His teaching continue to have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Descriptive of believers.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.

Does not have God and never did. Descriptive of unbelievers.

If you were standing at the gates of heaven right now and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your EXACT answer? Lord, Lord didn't YOU or Lord, Lord, didn't "I"

 

[Danthemailman]

I’m confused the people I mentioned don’t do anything except believe. They haven’t changed their life at all.

If they have not changed their life at all and produce no works at all, then they demonstrate that they don't truly believe (1 John 3:9-10; James 2:14).

They think they just have to believe and can continue to live their same sinful life without repenting or producing fruit and they will be saved.

Who are these imaginary people? What exactly do they believe which results in no change at all? That is not the fruit of repentance. Neither is trusting in works for salvation.

The truth is they will be very surprised when they call Lord Lord and Jesus says ‘away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.”
Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬

There will be many unbelievers (who thought they were believers yet trusted in their works for salvation) who will be very surprised when they call Lord, Lord and Jesus says, I NEVER knew you. Depart from me you who practice lawlessness (Matthew 7:22-23).

 

[JLB777]

I noticed that you did not bold the words, "they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me."

Yes each of us who have obeyed the Gospel by repenting have an inheritance.

We all have the hope of inheriting eternal life.

That is what faith is:

The substance of the thing we are hoping for.

that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:7


JLB

 

[Danthemailman]

WOAH WOAH WOAH!! Wait a minute why didn’t you put the entire definition of metanoia from Strong’s concordance?

And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

repent

G3340

Lemma:

μετανοέω

Transliteration:

metanoéō

Pronounce:

met-an-o-eh'-o

Part of Speech:

Verb

Language:

greek

Description:

1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins" Repentance (metanoia, 'change of mind') involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 97.)

Perhaps you should read past the first sentence to get the full message. I think I’ve already mentioned this about reading the Bible. The same applies for strongs concordance. Repentance is turning away from sin and towards God. Hence believing is not the only requirement for salvation. Did you think I wouldn’t catch that? Lol

Believing is not without repentance. The Strong's Concordance that I have does not quote F.F. Bruce or the extended message that you quoted, yet that does not down play what I teach. Are you trying to imply that I'm not teaching abhorrence of one's past sins or turning with contrition from sin to God?

"Just believe and continue to live like the devil and you will be saved anyway?" -- Don't even think of pulling out that straw man card on me because that is not what I teach.

Believers have repented and no longer practice sin, but practice righteousness (1 John 3:9-10). Of course this does not mean that we become sinless, without fault or defect, flawless in of ourselves from that point on. Also, all the moral self-reformation in the world will not save you if you don't believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation.

If you were standing at the gates of heaven right now and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your EXACT answer? Lord, Lord didn't YOU or Lord, Lord, didn't "I"

 

[Danthemailman]

Yes each of us who have obeyed the Gospel by repenting have an inheritance.

We all have the hope of inheriting eternal life.

That is what faith is:

The substance of the thing we are hoping for.

that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:7

JLB

Those of us who have obeyed the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel have repented in the process of changing our mind and choosing to believe the gospel and have an inheritance and the hope of eternal life, which is not some cross your fingers wishy, washy kind of hope.

Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).