The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[FineLinen]

Everyone (all Men) "Saved"???

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God???

Forget the question marks! "All flesh shall see the salvation of God"!!!

And, assuming you grasp what being IN/en the God of glory means, we will now tune our heart and mind to the following>>>>>>>

"Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, You are Lord to the glory of God the Father."

And what is this worship and confession based"? IN the Name of Jesus.

Here comes the Baptist's

"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampsh). First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina. Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22 ;Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13 . Under the earth (katacqoniwn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. Here only in the N.T." -A.T Robertson-

 

[Der Alte]

Christian Universalism | CARM.org

Conclusion
"Christian Universalism" really isn't Christian and it is meshed with many other unorthodox and erroneous teachings. This belief system should be avoided.

But, Ron they have all those proof texts and any verse which disproves UR can be explained away. Eternal does not mean eternal. Punishment does not mean punishment.

 

[FineLinen]

Eternal does indeed mean eternal! Aidios is found in exactly 2 passages of Canon: both centered firmly in the eternal/aidios God!

 

[needhugs]

But, Ron they have all those proof texts and any verse which disproves UR can be explained away. Eternal does not mean eternal. Punishment does not mean punishment.

punishment means punishment too... but you are missing the point

 

[FineLinen]

46 These (unbelieving goat NATIONS) will go away into eternal punishment, (SEPARATION)
but the righteous (believing sheep NATIONS) into "eternal (SPIRITUAL)life".

I believe you will find, if you check with Der Alter, the goats & sheep are individuals in the nations. Either way, please tell us what are the characteristics that define a "goat" and a "sheep" in the Masters parable of Matthew 25 (and only within the context of the chapter.)

Goats receive aionios punishment for=

Sheep receive aionios life for=

 

[needhugs]

yeah, it's CERTAINLY NOT just unbelievers who get hucked in the lake of fire!!!

 

[Der Alte]

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<FineLinen,quote> Forget the question marks! "All flesh shall see the salvation of God"!!!
And, assuming you grasp what being IN/en the God of glory means, we will now tune our heart and mind to the following>>>>>>>
"Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, You are Lord to the glory of God the Father."
And what is this worship and confession based"? IN the Name of Jesus.
Here comes the Baptist's
"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampsh). First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina. Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22 ;Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13 . Under the earth (katacqoniwn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. Here only in the N.T." -A.T Robertson-<end>

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In-context

Isaiah 45:23-25
(23) By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
(24) They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are deliverance and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.
(25) But all the descendants of Israel will find deliverance in the LORD and will make their boast in him.
Psa 110:1
(1) Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."[Act 2:35, Heb 1:13, Heb 10:13]​

With the foot of the conquering king on their necks I think those defeated enemies will finally be saying, "Jesus is Lord."

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[FineLinen]

Ron Gurley, post: 72861706,

"Christian Universalism" is the theological position that: ALL of mankind will ultimately be "saved" through Jesus whether or not spirit-led FAITH / BELIEF leads to salvation in this life."

Actually Ron "Christian Universalism" believes the Will of all wills has declared He is the Saviour of all mankind with an "especially of those who believe/trust in Him" as part of the statement>>>>>>

But wait there is more!

God is not a potential Saviour: He is the Saviour of all mankind and "especially of those who trust in Him/who believe"

But wait there is more

God is not only the Saviour of all mankind>>>>>>

He reconciles the polus "made sinners" in Adam1 by the Master the Last Adam who makes that same polus "righteous!

 

[needhugs]

Well done Needhugs! It is evident many cannot grasp the fact that "Our God is the Saviour of all men", and we are commanded to preach it!

Did you watch that cheery video? lol only parts were cheery, coz we who were chosen out for this glorious revelation HAVE TO SUFFER MORE lol

so i'm not sure if this WASN'T the place for my sufferings lol

 

[Der Alte]

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<quote,Finelinen>.I believe you will find, if you check with Der Alter, the goats & sheep are individuals in the nations. Either way, please tell us what are the characteristics that define a "goat" and a "sheep" in the Masters parable of Matthew 25 (and only within the context of the chapter.)
Goats receive aionios punishment for=
Sheep receive aionios life for=<end>

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I am well aware that goats and sheep are in the nations but I am equally aware that everybody in any given nation is a goat or that everybody is a sheep. So I think it is incorrect to refer to sheep nations and goat nations.
.....My Bible has 31,102 verses I would not want to use 16 verses alone to know the requirements for salvation or "punishment."

 

[needhugs]

I recall the Apostle Paul getting some bizarre revelation from a weird scripture in the OT...
sometimes you only need one verse to prove that God's will WILL be done, and everybody knows that God's top will is that none should perish but all come to repentance:

Isaiah 46:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:

 

[FineLinen]

<quote,Finelinen>.I believe you will find, if you check with Der Alter, the goats & sheep are individuals in the nations. Either way, please tell us what are the characteristics that define a "goat" and a "sheep" in the Masters parable of Matthew 25 (and only within the context of the chapter.)
Goats receive aionios punishment for=
Sheep receive aionios life for=<end>
I am well aware that goats and sheep are in the nations but I am equally aware that everybody in any given nation is a goat or that everybody is a sheep. So I think it is incorrect to refer to sheep nations and goat nations.
.....My Bible has 31,102 verses I would not want to use 16 verses alone to know the requirements for salvation or "punishment."

According to the context (and only the context) of St. Matthew chapter 25, what qualifies a "goat nation" & what qualifies a "sheep nation"?

Answers=

1. A goat receives "everlasting punishment" because>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>??

2. A sheep qualifies for "everlasting life">>>>>>>>>>>??

 

[Der Alte]

punishment means punishment too... but you are missing the point...

I am missing nothing. I have been a Christian since Johnson was president. I have been preaching and teaching for more than 4 decades. I have studied Theology, the Bible etc. at the graduate level. I don't believe anything simply because my grandmother believed it. There is no video you can link to, no scholar you can quote, no scripture you can cite etc. which will convince me that UR is scriptural.

 

[needhugs]

I am missing nothing. I have been a Christian since Johnson was president. I have been preaching and teaching for more than 4 decades. I have studied Theology, the Bible etc. at the graduate level. I don't believe anything simply because my grandmother believed it. There is no video you can link to, no scholar you can quote, no scripture you can cite etc. which will convince me that UR is scriptural.

then why are YOU HERE???
it's in the Bible that not all will believe in this life.
It's in the bible that many are called but few are chosen
i do NOT expect that God will reveal the Glorious Gospel to many people in Mainstream Christianity
which believes (possibly) that Jesus came to save the world, but was an utter failure as the second Adam
we had no choice with the first adam, but somehow we have choice with the second adam?
you are simply hanging out in the wrong thread i guess

 

[FineLinen]

<FineLinen,quote> Forget the question marks! "All flesh shall see the salvation of God"!!!
And, assuming you grasp what being IN/en the God of glory means, we will now tune our heart and mind to the following>>>>>>>
"Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, You are Lord to the glory of God the Father."
And what is this worship and confession based"? IN the Name of Jesus.
Here comes the Baptist's
"That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ina en twi onomati Ihsou pan gonu kampsh). First aorist active subjunctive of kamptw, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ina. Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus who carries his human name and nature to heaven. This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22 ;Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13 . Under the earth (katacqoniwn). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead. Here only in the N.T." -A.T Robertson-<end>
In-context

Isaiah 45:23-25
(23) By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
(24) They will say of me, 'In the LORD alone are deliverance and strength.'" All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame.
(25) But all the descendants of Israel will find deliverance in the LORD and will make their boast in him.
Psa 110:1
(1) Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."[Act 2:35, Heb 1:13, Heb 10:13]​

With the foot of the conquering king on their necks I think those defeated enemies will finally be saying, "Jesus is Lord."

​

The passage under consideration is not Isa. but Philippians. The worship and confession IN the Name of Jesus extends to all dimensions of the earth, the heavens and the underworld! Further it is not perfunctory genuflections but willing worship to the glory of God the Father!

 

[FineLinen]

I am missing nothing. I have been a Christian since Johnson was president. I have been preaching and teaching for more than 4 decades. I have studied Theology, the Bible etc. at the graduate level. I don't believe anything simply because my grandmother believed it. There is no video you can link to, no scholar you can quote, no scripture you can cite etc. which will convince me that UR is scriptural.

Well goody for you. I have been a Christian for over 60 years, well goody for F.L. The length of time one has been a Christian is worth nada! Quantity will never stand with quality!

 

[Der Alte]

Eternal does indeed mean eternal! Adios is found in exactly 2 passages of Canon: both centered firmly in the eternal/aidios God!

Romans 1:20
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [ἀΐ́διος/aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

In Romans 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26 Paul refers to God as “aionios,” evidently Paul considers “aidios” and “aionios” to be synonymous.

 

[needhugs]

oh my dog!!!! ok, i'm leaving again lol

 

[Der Alte]

Well goody for you. I have been a Christian for over 60 years, well goody for F.L. The length of time one has been a Christian is worth nada! Quantity will never stand with quality!

I was not talking to you so I think you should butt out. Someone made a false assumption concerning me. I responded to that person. My response to that person is nobody else's business.

 

[needhugs]

Romans 1:20
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [ἀΐ́διος/aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

In Romans 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26 Paul refers to God as “aionios,” evidently Paul considers “aidios” and “aionios” to be synonymous.

ok, ok, the word that Paul used for God is in strong's
STRONGS NT 166 without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be

i personally don't have a problem with Paul calling GOD that... but to call PUNISHMENT to be without beginning or end, or punishment that has always been and always will be????

it doesn't even makes sense to call our 'eternal' LIFE by that word!