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well, good luck on creating your own religion.
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In Matthew 13 there is a parable about wheat and tares (bearded darnel). A man planted wheat in his field. Later an enemy sowed a malicious weed seed in the same field. During the harvest, the workers cut the stalks, and saved the wheat. They put the weeds in a pile to be burned. Not everything planted will be kept.The hope of creation, (although most have no idea of this) is for deliverance. The Plan of the Will of all wills=
"The whole of created life shall be delivered/set/free/emancipated from the tyranny of change and decay..."
Not some of created life, not the elect only, not the "especially" only>>>>>>
"The whole of created life"!
Universalism is another way of saying the age old demonic lie: "Did God really say" ~ SatanIn Matthew 13 there is a parable about wheat and tares (bearded darnel). A man planted wheat in his field. Later an enemy sowed a malicious weed seed in the same field. During the harvest, the workers cut the stalks, and saved the wheat. They put the weeds in a pile to be burned. Not everything planted will be kept.
There are other passages a Gospel reader may recall.
"For many are called, but few are chosen." Matthew 22:14 KJV
Matthew 7:13 “Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. 14 How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it." (WEB - Public Domain).
It is not as if every path leads to heaven. Nor can all people be saved. Consider what happened to Judas. Jesus said it would have been better if Judas had not been born (Mark 14:21).
In Matthew 13 there is a parable about wheat and tares (bearded darnel). A man planted wheat in his field. Later an enemy sowed a malicious weed seed in the same field. During the harvest, the workers cut the stalks, and saved the wheat. They put the weeds in a pile to be burned. Not everything planted will be kept.
There are other passages a Gospel reader may recall.
"For many are called, but few are chosen." Matthew 22:14 KJV
Matthew 7:13 “Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. 14 How narrow is the gate, and restricted is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it." (WEB - Public Domain).
It is not as if every path leads to heaven. Nor can all people be saved. Consider what happened to Judas. Jesus said it would have been better if Judas had not been born (Mark 14:21).
Universalism is another way of saying the age old demonic lie: "Did God really say" ~ Satan
Jesus said in John 3:36
"the one who rejects the Son will not see life; instead, God’s wrath remains on him."
Jesus said in John 5:28-29
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their
graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good
will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be
condemned."
FYI Joh 3:16 says nothing about "trespasses" and nothing about "sins". You are assuming something that is based upon your indoctrinated belief system. And it is that which I am challenging.john 3:16
You mean, like Paul "paid homage" in his salvation experience on the Damascus road?also, the reference to phil 2 isn't saying everyone will be saved but rather that everyone shall pay homage to the King(who is Christ).
FYI Joh 3:16 says nothing about "trespasses" and nothing about "sins".
no, it just says that eternal life is for those who are believers, not for everybody. and in contrast, those who don't believe will perish. this contrast is further stated as you read to the end of that chapter.
clearly you guys are well invested in your pet doctrine and no one is going to convince you of anything so i'm not gonna waste anymore of my time. if you want to talk to yourselves thats fine, have at it, but you're not gonna get that far in persuading anyone to your position.
In St. Matthew 25 the Lord Jesus Christ lists the qualifying standards for #1 "everlasting life & #2 "everlasting punishment" are we to assume you agree with Him?no, it just says that eternal life is for those who are believers, not for everybody. and in contrast, those who don't believe will perish. this contrast is further stated as you read to the end of that chapter.
clearly you guys are well invested in your pet doctrine and no one is going to convince you of anything so i'm not gonna waste anymore of my time. if you want to talk to yourselves thats fine, have at it, but you're not gonna get that far in persuading anyone to your position.
FYI Joh 3:16 says nothing about "trespasses" and nothing about "sins". You are assuming something that is based upon your indoctrinated belief system. And it is that which I am challenging.
JOH 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
I see you've already folded here, so you may not answer back. But all I'm doing is asking the questions I had to ask myself when I was 'seeking the truth' wherever it led, instead of just trying to fight to defend my indoctrinated belief system.
You mean, like Paul "paid homage" in his salvation experience on the Damascus road?
ACT 9:3 Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. 4 And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" 5 And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting;
Here the answer: 1 Timothy 6The same question just presented below, you can also answer. While all of us wait patiently for a response, consider this>>>>>>
"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction." Romans 9:22
Fitted/ Prepared=katartivzw
Katartivzw=
To render or to fit.
To make sound or complete.
To mend what has been broken or rent.
To repair what has been broken or rent.
To put in order.
To arrange. To adjust.
To fit or frame for one's self.
To strengthen, to perfect, to complete.
To make one what he aught to be.
Dr. Marvin Vincent
Fitted/prepared= kathrtismena=
Literally: adjusted or mended.
"ei de qelwn o qeoV endeixasqai thn orghn kai gnwrisai to dunaton autou hnegken en pollh makroqumia skeuh orghV kathrtismena eiV apwleian"
Twin: The Restitution of all things has been spoken in/by the mouths of the prophets from earliest ages. Those words stare you in the face and satan (with a small s)knows very well the game is up! Focus on the fact that every being, in every dimension of the universe (heavens/ earth/ and underworld) will bow and confess IN worship before Him. You will note this is not by perfunctory genuflections but IN the Name of all names.Universalism is another way of saying the age old demonic lie: "Did God really say" ~ Satan
With all the despair we have created with all the zillions of religions in various forms that is what we need?well, good luck on creating your own religion.
have a good day.
Matthew 18:2-4 New International Version (NIV)"Love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love."
Matthew 18:2-4 New International Version (NIV)
2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children,A)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-23731A" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
What does the passage Mean?
When I was a child I did not fear approaching nor of being near to him but there was a fear in me of him, just the same. I did not fear being reproved, he often disciplined me for the foolish actions I committed. No, my fear was rooted in my love for him and the times we were doing this or that, together. I feared disappointing him and thus causing his heart to ache.
After my first five years of studying the scriptures the Holy Spirit revealed this truth to me and the depth of this passage became without bottom or limit. I find it sad that Satan has managed to update the meaning of fear to exclude the most important aspect of fear, canceling love from it's usage.
When I spanked my children, very seldom, is best illustrated by the incident of going to the Movie Theater together for the first time with my namesake. He pulled his hand from my grasp and darted in front of a car in the Parking Lot.
Without thought or planning, I reacted with my hand on his butt. I was wrong! I did not make it clear why he was being spanked before the act. Crying, both of us after the punishment, we sat on the curb and I, then, let him know he had disappointed me and why. From that moment, forward, he feared disappointing me. That is the fear YHWH seaks of when we are taught to fear Him.
All the while you are just believing 'your bible' and discounting all the bibles that disagree. And the errors started long ago, according to Jeremiah.Universalism is another way of saying the age old demonic lie: "Did God really say" ~ Satan
Jesus said in John 3:36
"the one who rejects the Son will not see life; instead, God’s wrath remains on him."
Jesus said in John 5:28-29
You do know there are several Greek words translated as "judgment" don't you? And this Greek word in John is 'krisis', the same word from which we get 'crisis' from. IOW we go through 'crisis/krisis' many times over in this life as we; "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"....so what? Those who were never "called, chosen, predestined" or "ordained to believe" in this age, by God, will be called in the ages to come to undergo their time of 'krisis'. You simply reveal your heart when you can justify a God of Love torturing most of His beloved creation for eternity....as well as for no purpose at all.“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their
graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good
will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be
condemned."
I am aware of 'this pastor'. The verse which hit him like a ton of bricks as he wrestled with a congregant challenging him with Ultimate Reconciliation was the following;My friend thank you again for your continued participation on this thread. I am fully aware of the struggle all of us face when brought to behold the freshness of Him whose ways are past finding out. Every last vestige of Him must come by disclosure, the opening of the mind and heart and ears. If the 12 who walked with Him in the flesh needed their understanding opened "to understand the Scriptures", we present day disciples also stand on the same ground of need. I was reading of a pastor who in a flash, as he walked through a door into his home, heard the Living One speak something to him he had never entertained until that awakening moment. We will not change one heart, one mind, one person: that requires ONE who by the Holy Ghost can make you tremble. What we can do is testify in a small measure to what burns in our beings. May He bless you my brother abundantly and all of us.
ONE WHO BT THE hOLY gHOST CAN MAKE YOU TREMBLE