Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[Major1]

Nearly all of my interpretations are beyond normal exegesis. I was guided by the Holy Spirit. Nearly all of my interpretations are REVOLUTIONARY BECAUSE IT COMES FROM THE HS.
As to that magic show....God works in mysterious ways. I regard the man who did that show an angel of God. But, more importantly, allowing a magician to spout ET prophecies at a major military training center, is miraculous in it's own right. Never before or after have I seen anything like it, in THAT venue.....
As to hurting my feelings : I have walked the trenches of life, with the poor. I have been annealed in the fires of life. Rest assured, there is nothing you can say that will hurt my feelings, Major ! ....but, I do take back your promotion !

Honestly Mike........Major is my name and not a rank, so it does not matter one way or the other.

I am saying to you that the ends do not justify the means. If something is said by God to us that we are not to do then we better give that due respect and obey the Word of God.

Just to show you what I mean......."You said the man was an angel of God". Really?????

Mike....Angels do not preach the gospel!!
During the current dispensation in which we live - the church age - angels are not permitted to preach or share the Gospel message of Jesus with people.

True story brother. About 25 years ago, a missionary we supported visited our church and we gave him an opportunity to speak, He told me that he was a magician and wanted to do magic during his speaking. I told him NO and cited the same reasons to him that I already did to you.

He did not obey and did the magic anyway and two days later he had a heart attack and died. He was 4o years old and in good health, but he disobeyed the Word of God.

 

[Archmike]

So you admit that you actually DON"T have any proof !
You make outlandish claims and say you have proof - but refuse to show us that proof-
and when pressed for that proof - you admit it is nothing more than a hunch !

You should have said that in the beginning that you have a hunch - that would have been truthful

Outlandish claims....If I recall, the Sanhedrin claimed the same of Christ.

You folks haven't heard nearly all I have to offer. Indeed, you have been witness to a small portion of the Truthes I have uncovered....for instance, do you know most of the references to angels in The Revelation are actually referencing men, alive on earth ? ...That they are indeed, "earthly Angels" ? That the two instances of women, described in The Revelation ( chp 12 & chips 17/18 ) are used as symbols there because only women can give birth ? And that they are a belief system that begets an "offspring" belief system ? And my list goes on.....if these things rankle your feathers, I sorry. But, maybe your cages need rattling.....

 

[seventysevens]

Again and Again
what scripture support do you have to prove you claims ?
show scripture and how you support what you say it means

Outlandish claims....If I recall, the Sanhedrin claimed the same of Christ.

You folks haven't heard nearly all I have to offer. Indeed, you have been witness to a small portion of the Truthes I have uncovered....for instance, do you know most of the references to angels in The Revelation are actually referencing men, alive on earth ? ...That they are indeed, "earthly Angels" ? That the two instances of women, described in The Revelation ( chp 12 & chips 17/18 ) are used as symbols there because only women can give birth ? And that they are a belief system that begets an "offspring" belief system ? And my list goes on.....if these things rankle your feathers, I sorry. But, maybe your cages need rattling.....

 

[Archmike]

Hi Archmike,

Just to set your mind at rest, that scripture in 2 Peter 1: 20 is referring to scripture itself. It means that no scripture is of its own interpretation, it needs the whole of scripture to dove tail together.

A doctrine cannot stand on one scripture but needs be developed throughout scripture and fit into the whole purpose of God.

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn, thank you so much ! A friendly face in the crowd ! Thank you for clarifying that scripture ( I have an understanding of the scripture, and was trying to force the accuser to elaborate ). But, you certainly did remind me that Peter was stressing that DOCTRINES CANNOT STAND ON ONE SCRIPTURE ALONE ! I had forgotten that. Indeed, there are many, MANY, churches / denominations in Christianity who should reconsider their doctrines, based on Peter's statement alone ! It seems to me that of late, new churches are started on a "whim" because someone doesn't like something their minister said. Christianity has truely become a Divided House, in a sense.

Thanks again, Marilyn

 

[Archmike]

The proper system of interpretation is found plainly written in the Bible.

On the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:25-27 the risen Savior reveals that the whole Old Testament is about Him.

He is the seed of the woman in Genesis 3:15.

He is the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the earth would be blessed in Genesis 12.

He is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53.

He is the one who would fulfill the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The timeline of His arrival is found in Daniel chapter 9.

The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1.
This fact is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

The Greek word "diatheke" was translated as "testament" in some places and "covenant" in other places in the KJV of the Bible.
It is the same Greek word.
If the KJV translators had consistently translated the word as "covenant", the New Covenant of Christ would be obvious to all readers.

No end-time interpretation system which ignores the New Covenant of Christ can be correct.

We find in John 1:1 that the whole Bible is a book about Him.

In 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 Christ returns in "flaming fire".

The fire also comes in 2 Peter 3:10.

When does the fire come in Revelation chapter 20?

The seventh trumpet is the last trumpet found in the Bible.

The "time of the judgment of the dead" is found in Revelation 11:18.

Revelation 11:15-18 reveals that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.

Until a person faces the reality of the above, their system of interpretation cannot be correct.

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Test a prophet today : if their predictions do not come-to-pass, then they are a charlatan. Like you, I am merely interpreting what a true prophet has already revealed to be Truth. I am "inventing" nothing ....

 

[Major1]

The proper system of interpretation is found plainly written in the Bible.

On the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:25-27 the risen Savior reveals that the whole Old Testament is about Him.

He is the seed of the woman in Genesis 3:15.

He is the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the earth would be blessed in Genesis 12.

He is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53.

He is the one who would fulfill the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The timeline of His arrival is found in Daniel chapter 9.

The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1.
This fact is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

The Greek word "diatheke" was translated as "testament" in some places and "covenant" in other places in the KJV of the Bible.
It is the same Greek word.
If the KJV translators had consistently translated the word as "covenant", the New Covenant of Christ would be obvious to all readers.

No end-time interpretation system which ignores the New Covenant of Christ can be correct.

We find in John 1:1 that the whole Bible is a book about Him.

In 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 Christ returns in "flaming fire".

The fire also comes in 2 Peter 3:10.

When does the fire come in Revelation chapter 20?

The seventh trumpet is the last trumpet found in the Bible.

The "time of the judgment of the dead" is found in Revelation 11:18.

Revelation 11:15-18 reveals that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.

Until a person faces the reality of the above, their system of interpretation cannot be correct.

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Excellent comments brother and I agree with almost everything you said.

You asked ............
"When does the fire come in Revelation chapter 20?"

I hate to assume but you did not specify so I am thinking you were talking about Rev. 20:10-15.

If that is the case then the answer is "At the end of the 1000 year Rule of Christ".

Rev. 20:5........
"And the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED..........".

Then you said..............
"The seventh trumpet is the last trumpet found in the Bible."

That is correct, however the Trumpets are NOT the final judgments.

The 7th Trumpet judgment is actually the set of 7 "BOWL" judgments.

There are 3 sets of 7 Judgments with the 7th of each one being the complete set of the next 7.

You see, the 7th SEAL judgment is the set of 7 Trumpet judgments and the 7th Trumpet judgment is the set of 7 BOWL judgments with the 7th BOWL judgments being Armageddon.

You then said...........
The "time of the judgment of the dead" is found in Revelation 11:18.

NOPE! One of the things that must be understood is the fact that John uses several PARENTHECTICAL VERSES and Rev. 11:18 is just that.

In the middle of the judgments, God has John insert (Parenthetical) these verses for the encouragement of the believers who will be on the earth who are sealed. By now with all the things going on they will be discouraged and living in fear.


You said.............

Revelation 11:15-18 reveals that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.
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I can not agree with that and I do believe that Rev. is in fact in chronological order.​

Please take a moment to go to and look over............
The Chronological Order Of Revelation

Other than those comments I actually agree with you.

 

[Major1]

Test a prophet today : if their predictions do not come-to-pass, then they are a charlatan. Like you, I am merely interpreting what a true prophet has already revealed to be Truth. I am "inventing" nothing ....

No need to Mike as there are NO PROPHETS today! NO prophets and NO APOSTELS.

Both of those offices ended when the Bible was completed.

Hebrews 1:1-2.......
"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."

 

[Major1]

Outlandish claims....If I recall, the Sanhedrin claimed the same of Christ.

You folks haven't heard nearly all I have to offer. Indeed, you have been witness to a small portion of the Truthes I have uncovered....for instance, do you know most of the references to angels in The Revelation are actually referencing men, alive on earth ? ...That they are indeed, "earthly Angels" ? That the two instances of women, described in The Revelation ( chp 12 & chips 17/18 ) are used as symbols there because only women can give birth ? And that they are a belief system that begets an "offspring" belief system ? And my list goes on.....if these things rankle your feathers, I sorry. But, maybe your cages need rattling.....

Where in the Bible is your claim found?????

Mike. Several people here have told you that in BIBLE prophecy and BIBLE teaching, YOU must produce the BIBLE verses that validate your claim or the claim is absolutely nonsense and it will be rejected out of hand.

You continually make this mistake and I am not trying to be harmful to you but what YOU have studied for 42 years is meaningless unless YOU CAN VALIDATE IT WITH BIBLE SCRIPTURES.

 

[Archmike]

Honestly Mike........Major is my name and not a rank, so it does not matter one way or the other.

I am saying to you that the ends do not justify the means. If something is said by God to us that we are not to do then we better give that due respect and obey the Word of God.

Just to show you what I mean......."You said the man was an angel of God". Really?????

Mike....Angels do not preach the gospel!!
During the current dispensation in which we live - the church age - angels are not permitted to preach or share the Gospel message of Jesus with people.

True story brother. About 25 years ago, a missionary we supported visited our church and we gave him an opportunity to speak, He told me that he was a magician and wanted to do magic during his speaking. I told him NO and cited the same reasons to him that I already did to you.

He did not obey and did the magic anyway and two days later he had a heart attack and died. He was 4o years old and in good health, but he disobeyed the Word of God.

First, I was using a little levity when I called you the military "Major". Seems you didn't get too mad about it. It meant nothing. Just trying to keep things on a lighter side.....

My "Angel of God" was just that......He wasn't preaching the Gospel, ...he was giving us a message. Angels deliver messages....and his "magic" was benign and did not detract from God in anyway, shape or form. Btw, modern forms of magic are nothing more than eye trickery. That's all....nothing anti-God about it. That is totally differenot than horoscopes, and the rest, which attempt to replace God

 

[Major1]

Marilyn, thank you so much ! A friendly face in the crowd ! Thank you for clarifying that scripture ( I have an understanding of the scripture, and was trying to force the accuser to elaborate ). But, you certainly did remind me that Peter was stressing that DOCTRINES CANNOT STAND ON ONE SCRIPTURE ALONE ! I had forgotten that. Indeed, there are many, MANY, churches / denominations in Christianity who should reconsider their doctrines, based on Peter's statement alone ! It seems to me that of late, new churches are started on a "whim" because someone doesn't like something their minister said. Christianity has truely become a Divided House, in a sense.

Thanks again, Marilyn

Again MIke, you are not understanding the meaning of 1 Peter 1:20.

Peter is saying that NO ONE can interpret Scripture to make it say what they WANT IT TO SAY. "YOU" or me or no one else has that ability.

No portion of the Scriptures can be interpreted apart from the other references to the same subject. If you can not get the whole body of Scriptures to confirm your doctrine then you had better get a new doctrine my dear brother because God does not tell YOU something different from what He tells everyone else in His Word.

That is exactly whay we keep asking YOU to produce the Scriptures to validate your comments.

 

[Major1]

First, I was using a little levity when I called you the military "Major". Seems you didn't get too mad about it. It meant nothing. Just trying to keep things on a lighter side.....

My "Angel of God" was just that......He wasn't preaching the Gospel, ...he was giving us a message. Angels deliver messages....and his "magic" was benign and did not detract from God in anyway, shape or form. Btw, modern forms of magic are nothing more than eye trickery. That's all....nothing anti-God about it. That is totally differenot than horoscopes, and the rest, which attempt to replace God

Now the problem with that thinking is this. How do YOU know that it was an angel of God?

Now I already posted what God said in Deut. and that is that magic is actually DECEPTION. Now in case that was not understandable or that it was said a long time ago, God had Paul update it.

Galatians 1:8 ............
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!"

Now Hebrews 1:1-2 says that we do not get messages from angels today.
"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."

 

[Archmike]

No need to Mike as there are NO PROPHETS today! NO prophets and NO APOSTELS.

Both of those offices ended when the Bible was completed.

Hebrews 1:1-2.......
"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also that's he made the universe."

That's not helpful, getting hung-up on semantics. Yes, I know, Christ revealed The Revelation to John....the Revelator. So, your point ?

 

[Major1]

What makes you think the Holy Spirit which is inside of you is somehow different from the Spirit in the rest of us?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

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More importantly is why the Holy Spirit would tell anyone something different that what He has already said in the Scriptures.

 

[Major1]

That's not helpful, getting hung-up on semantics. Yes, I know, Christ revealed The Revelation to John....the Revelator. So, your point ?

You said........"ASK A prophet today"

Can not be done as there are NO prophets today. That is not sematics but Bible truth my brother.

John who wrote the Revelation was both an Apostle and a Prophet and he died.

 

[Archmike]

Now the problem with that thinking is this. How do YOU know that it was an angel of God?

Now I already posted what God said in Deut. and that is that magic is actually DECEPTION. Now in case that was not understandable or that it was said a long time ago, God had Paul update it.

Galatians 1:8 ............
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!"

Now Hebrews 1:1-2 says that we do not get messages from angels today.
"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."

Well, times are a-changin'....we're in the End Times. The guy was alerting us to the signs of the times. Nothing more, nothing less.

Something tells me you would rely on your own expert understanding of The Bible before believing Christ if he walked-up and talked to you.

There is a much more powerful force at work in individuals than listening to self-assured Bible experts. It's called Faith, Major. Put that in your pipe and smoke it !

 

[Major1]

Outlandish claims....If I recall, the Sanhedrin claimed the same of Christ.

You folks haven't heard nearly all I have to offer. Indeed, you have been witness to a small portion of the Truthes I have uncovered....for instance, do you know most of the references to angels in The Revelation are actually referencing men, alive on earth ? ...That they are indeed, "earthly Angels" ? That the two instances of women, described in The Revelation ( chp 12 & chips 17/18 ) are used as symbols there because only women can give birth ? And that they are a belief system that begets an "offspring" belief system ? And my list goes on.....if these things rankle your feathers, I sorry. But, maybe your cages need rattling.....

Mike..........you are only giving us HUNCHES and SPECULATION and GUESSES.

I am sure you are a well meaning person but your Bible theology is non-existent my dear friend.

Listen bro, I will be more than happy to help you as would most everyone here.

Do you have a question about a Scripture in the Bible that you would like to pray over and ask"

Just ONE at a time and allow those here to respond.

 

[Major1]

Well, times are a-changin'....we're in the End Times. The guy was alerting us to the signs of the times. Nothing more, nothing less.

Something tells me you would rely on your own expert understanding of The Bible before believing Christ if he walked-up and talked to you.

There is a much more powerful force at work in individuals than listening to self-assured Bible experts. It's called Faith, Major. Put that in your pipe and smoke it !

I do not smoke! Never did and never will!

First of all..........I do not have an EXPERT understanding of the Bible.
I have in years past been extremely blessed to sit under some of the most outstanding Bible scholars to have ever lived.

BEFORE that happened I was given the FAITH to believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ for the payment of MY sin.

Secondly, I have had the opportunity to teach and produce materials now for over 50 years and the fact is this.......Jesus Is NOT going to walk up and start to talk to me and that again confirm 2 Peter 1:20.........
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

You see the Bible says that the NEXT time we see Jesus He will be coming in the AIR to receive all the believers that make up His church. He is not coming to talk to me as He has already said everything He wanted and needed to say in His Bible.

Acts 1:11...........
“Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

That means He will not be walking up to talk to me!

 

[Archmike]

Mike..........you are only giving us HUNCHES and SPECULATION and GUESSES.

I am sure you are a well meaning person but your Bible theology is non-existent my dear friend.

Listen bro, I will be more than happy to help you as would most everyone here.

Do you have a question about a Scripture in the Bible that you would like to pray over and ask"

Just ONE at a time and allow those here to respond.

Thanks Brother. No, no questions.

I am tired of debating. The reason why I don't produce evidence and scripture. Not to mention this clumsy method of communication. It's tiring to me....oh, I have a considerable digital file of my proofs, and conversations I had in another forum as a moderator, years back. But, like I said, I'm tired of the debate.

Frankly, there are thousands upon thousands, and hundreds and hundreds of "self-proclaimed" experts on The Revelation and end time prophecies. Their works are recorded in the hundreds and thousands of books they've published,,and the hundreds of end time forums they have sanctioned. Yet none of them have definitively interpreted the ET prophecies so that the "common" Christian can understand it. Have you ? Has anyone in this forum ?

If you knew the prophecies as well as you all claim, I suppose, by now, your interpretations would be common knowledge. They aren't....so, until that day comes, debate onward, my brothers !

Maranantha !

 

[Major1]

Thanks Brother. No, no questions.

I am tired of debating. The reason why I don't produce evidence and scripture. Not to mention this clumsy method of communication. It's tiring to me....oh, I have a considerable digital file of my proofs, and conversations I had in another forum as a moderator, years back. But, like I said, I'm tired of the debate.

Frankly, there are thousands upon thousands, and hundreds and hundreds of "self-proclaimed" experts on The Revelation and end time prophecies. Their works are recorded in the hundreds and thousands of books they've published,,and the hundreds of end time forums they have sanctioned. Yet none of them have definitively interpreted the ET prophecies so that the "common" Christian can understand it. Have you ? Has anyone in this forum ?

If you knew the prophecies as well as you all claim, I suppose, by now, your interpretations would be common knowledge. They aren't....so, until that day comes, debate onward, my brothers !

Maranantha !

I completely understand your position and if I were you I would have done what you just did.

So long Mike and maybe we will talk again some day and if you would like to ask a Bible question you can PM me anytime.

 

[seventysevens]

Again and Again
what scripture support do you have to prove you claims ?

Thanks Brother. No, no questions.
I am tired of debating. The reason why I don't produce evidence and scripture.It's tiring to me.

You folks haven't heard nearly all I have to offer. Indeed, you have been witness to a small portion of the Truthes I have uncovered....for instance, do you know most of the references to angels in The Revelation are actually referencing men, alive on earth ? ...That they are indeed, "earthly Angels" ? That the two instances of women, described in The Revelation ( chp 12 & chips 17/18 ) are used as symbols there because only women can give birth ? And that they are a belief system that begets an "offspring" belief system ? And my list goes on.....if these things rankle your feathers, I sorry. But, maybe your cages need rattling.....

Show scripture and how you support what you say
it means- as long as you think you can make claims that will not be questioned you're all in..
But when you are asked to provide scripture and support that what you claim has merit then you say you are tired of the debate , That is a cop-out
If you truly have truths you would be willing to share how you can show they are truths