Did humans descend from Apes?

[Jimmy D]

False, since Apes have been around only Millions of years and Humans (descendants of Adam) were around BEFORE the beginning of our Universe, 13.8 Billion years ago, according to Genesis. Do you know more than Genesis?

It appear that you think that you "know more than Genesis".

Where does science "say" that humans were around before the beginning of the universe by the way?

 

[Aman777]

Can you name a feature of apes that is not shared by humans?

Human Intelligence or the ability to know both good and evil, which is like God. Gen 3:22

Can you name a feature of humans that would exclude them from the specific biological definition of apes - either as Hominoidea or Hominidae?

We descended from Adam but you seem to reject God's Truth in favor of what the present Earth shows. Don't you know that our Earth was NOT made until the end of the 5th Day which was some 9 Billion years after the Big Bang and long AFTER Adam was made? IF Apes resemble Humans, it's because Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people) who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. That does NOT make Humans Apes. The ToE is in great need of repair.

 

[Aman777]

Not all apes are alike, no. Doesnt change the fact that humans are apes. Your belief has nothing to do with this fact.

The only evidence you can produce is that Humans have inherited our DNA and ERVs from the common ancestor of Apes. God told us why in Gen 6:4. Read it and see if you understand that Humans (descendants of Adam) and the sons of God (descendants of the last universe common ancestor) are NOT the same, no matter how many times scientists believe that Lie. Prehistoric people are THEIR kinds and Humans are HIS kinds. The willing ignorance of the false ToE has confused many.

 

[Aman777]

Was just about to post something similar to Speedwell.

Why are you trying to turn it into a religion vs atheism debate? All the Christians I know fully accept the Theory of Evolution.

False, since I am a Christian but not a worshiper of Evolutionism. I've known you for years online so quit breaking the 9th Commandment so easily. Are you related to Trump?

 

[Aman777]

It appear that you think that you "know more than Genesis".

Where does science "say" that humans were around before the beginning of the universe by the way?

Today's Science is "willingly ignorant" that Adam's entire world was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 The ToE has confused them so much, they THINK they know more than God. Lucifer thought the same.

 

[Jimmy D]

Today's Science is "willingly ignorant" that Adam's entire world was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 The ToE has confused them so much, they THINK they know more than God. Lucifer thought the same.

I thought science 100% agreed with your unusual theological ideas?

 

[Aman777]

Your religion, is not science. It's just your religion and what you happen to believe.

I have no religion since religion is man's attempt to find the God's Truth. God lives inside me and allows me to understand His Holy Word. Your changeable religion is a figment of your imagination. In the end, God is the winner because His Truth is the Truth in every way, Scripturally, Scientifically and Historically.

 

[Aman777]

I thought science 100% agreed with your unusual theological ideas?

Since God knows much more than people, He shows things which are FUTURE discoveries of Science, in the last days. In the end, everyone will see that only God's Truth AGREES in every way with every discovery of mankind. Act 2:17 Today's Science is currently confirming God's Truth in Genesis.

 

[Aman777]

Because there is no empirical evidence for any of the Gods, but plenty for evolution.

False. Unless you can explain How ancient men, who lived more than 3k years ago, knew and correctly wrote the scientific Truth that "every living creature that moveth" came from Water.

Scripture:>>Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Science:>>Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things Jul 25, 2016

I don't think you can show how ancient goat herders, you think wrote Genesis, got that one correct. It's because God is the Author of Scripture and Genesis 1:21 is Empirical Evidence of God, which refutes you. Try again?

 

[Halbhh]

Amen. Where did you get your faith that a man rose from the dead?

Do you mean how did I come to believe in Christ Jesus as more than just an idea or tradition, but totally real, risen, for real? Several steps, but one of the key was that as Paul wrote "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." -- actually listening to Christ's words! Actually, not just being in a church, etc. (just merely professing or saying one is Christian, merely being raised in a church -- that is not faith). For me I wanted to know why did He say "love your enemy"; I really wanted to understand that, the why, so that tug made me read more, and more carefully, and then as Paul wrote -- this very listening, actually trying to hear -- this is what allowed me start to have real faith (not merely a tradition or thinking one has faith, but actual faith, the kind of which even a mustard seed amount is very potent). There was more, but that was one of the key things. Also this! --

7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

This is for real. There is no subsitute. A person not having done this, where are they? They would be merely in their own stuff perhaps. Only what He says is the way, not some other stuff.

There is no other way, but Him.

Alone.

Not creationism -- that's "sand" as He told us in Matthew chapter 7, so far as being the basis for faith. Those building on merely a version of creationism are on sand, and will be destroyed unless they do instead what He said in Matthew chapter 7, verses 21-27.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Do you mean how did I come to believe in Christ Jesus as more than just an idea or tradition, but totally real, risen, for real? Several steps, but one of the key was that as Paul wrote "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." -- actually listening to Christ's words! Actually, not just being in a church, etc. (just merely professing or saying one is Christian, merely being raised in a church -- that is not faith). For me I wanted to know why did He say "love your enemy"; I really wanted to understand that, the why, so that tug made me read more, and more carefully, and then as Paul wrote -- this very listening, actually trying to hear -- this is what allowed me start to have real faith (not merely a tradition or thinking one has faith, but actual faith, the kind of which even a mustard seed amount is very potent). There was more, but that was one of the key things. Also this! --

7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

This is for real. There is no subsitute. A person not having done this, where are they? They would be merely in their own stuff perhaps. Only what He says is the way, not some other stuff.

There is no other way, but Him.

Alone.

Not creationism -- that's "sand" as He told us in Matthew chapter 7, so far as being the basis for faith. Those building on merely a version of creationism are on sand, and will be destroyed unless they do instead what He said in Matthew chapter 7, verses 21-27.

You might have learned it by now but if You have not then this was my lesson if I forgive my enemies my prayers are more easily answered. So if We learn to love our enemies it is also easier to forgive. Jesus also died for our enemies as He died for us. If our enemies kill us then God still is God and has the power to let us live forever with Him and if He wish and someone pray sometimes miracles out of the ordinary happens and someone that is dead come back to life. But it is rare. Today also it is almost impossible to get understanding among christians but God is still God and has His plan, we do not always know what or why. Maybe we needed to be strengthened by Jesus Himself before we return into this world. But this is probably a too big bite for the evolutionists to swallow but I assume soon they too will face the Lord.

 

[Halbhh]

You might have learned it by now but if You have not then this was my lesson if I forgive my enemies my prayers are more easily answered. So if We learn to love our enemies it is also easier to forgive. Jesus also died for our enemies as He died for us. If our enemies kill us then God still is God and has the power to let us live forever with Him and if He wish and someone pray sometimes miracles out of the ordinary happens and someone that is dead come back to life. But it is rare. Today also it is almost impossible to get understanding among christians but God is still God and has His plan, we do not always know what or why. Maybe we needed to be strengthened by Jesus Himself before we return into this world. But this is probably a too big bite for the evolutionists to swallow but I assume soon they too will face the Lord.

That's right. No particular verion of creationism, not mine, not Ralph's nor Jane's, not anyone's, is saving. Instead we are all saved only by faith in Christ, and that faith will make us follow Him, not our mere preferred guesses about small details of how God created biology, whether time passed and how much, etc. Only faith in Christ. Acts 4:12, John 3:16.
I really like your wonderful point about love your enemy! I find that when I forgive, my enemy is already becoming my neighbor, in my eyes.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Was just about to post something similar to Speedwell.

Why are you trying to turn it into a religion vs atheism debate? All the Christians I know fully accept the Theory of Evolution.

Beg Your pardon Jimmy, I was only telling my belief and that is I do believe God created humans in His image not monkeys that evolved into humans. If I would believe that Adam and Eve were apes then I could not see that they were in the image of God. If God himself tell me I am in error on this when I meet Him after this life on earth I think He is testing me at first but I would ask Him how and what He means. Like I would ask how long is a day if it is not 24 hours. If God created the world on was it 6 days and rested on the seventh. A lot of christians I know do not believe in evolution.

 

[Brightmoon]

Not all mammals have proportionally big brains. Hedgehogs, for instance.

All mammals have larger brains than they need. Humans just have that trait to an exaggerated degree

 

[Brightmoon]

are you kidding?

No he’s not kidding about apes being able to use language. in fact vervet monkeys (which are monkeys not apes ) can use nouns as sentences. Small children frequently use nouns like that. Theyll say “doggie!” Which any adult understands as “There is a dog here! “ The vervet have 3 words in their language that we understand snake,leopard and eagle. If you record and broadcast them saying snake, the whole troop will look around at the ground trying to find that snake. The ability to use languages was acquired gradually by humans just like some anatomical traits were.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Imagine, now we are talking evolution and apes versus Gods creation. If we had i-phones many many years ago we would perhaps have debated wether the world was flat or round and who has sailed whereabout and where does the water or earth stop. If the redhaired greeneyed people were not in the image of God but indeed of the devil and were witches and had to be killed and if they were responsible for all disease and evil on earth. When we check historyfacts that is in the north- scandinavia we see that where the church was active there were less witchhunts but where the church was less powerful there were more witchhunts. It is indeed good that we have "evolved" away from banning people.

 

[Roseonathorn]

No he’s not kidding about apes being able to use language. in fact vervet monkeys (which are monkeys not apes ) can use nouns as sentences. Small children frequently use nouns like that. Theyll say “doggie!” Which any adult understands as “There is a dog here! “ The vervet have 3 words in their language that we understand snake,leopard and eagle. If you record and broadcast them saying snake, the whole troop will look around at the ground trying to find that snake. The ability to use languages was acquired gradually by humans just like some anatomical traits were.

Have You seen the funny talking dog as well in Britain's got talent. Parrots can learn some as well as rawens and our kitten has recently started to houl like a wolf, that kind of upsets me... I don't want Him to end up being wolffood.

 

[GeorgeJ]

Meh....I don't lose any sleep at night worrying about it either way.

 

[SilverBear]

False. Unless you can explain How ancient men, who lived more than 3k years ago, knew and correctly wrote the scientific Truth that "every living creature that moveth" came from Water.

Scripture:>>Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

move IN the water - Swim. and not made from water

Apes (at least in this part of Genesis) were made with land animals
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; Gen 1: 24-25

Of course in this part of Genesis humans both male and female were created together "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.…" Gen 1:27

 

[Brightmoon]

And most of the Christians I know accept mainstream science . In fact it wasn’t until about 15 years after I graduated from college that I met my first evolution denier.