Was Adam the FIRST Food Producer??? GENERATIONS ???

[SkyWriting]

No, it isn't, not at all in fact and in truth, nor according to all YHWH'S Word, YHWH'S PURPOSE, PLAN and SALVATION IN JESUS.

Not understanding YHWH'S Word , may not be the unforgivable sin, but it does lead to many other compounded sins.

If it violates the foundation of scripture, then not so.


So in everything,
do to others
what you would have them do to you,
for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Matthew 7:12

The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.
Mark 12:31

Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble.
1 Peter 3:8

No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.
1 Corinthians 10:24

Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
1 Thessalonians 5:11

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Galatians 5:14

 

[SkyWriting]

As I said---there were females born to Adam and Eve never mentioned and who knows how many children Cain and Abel had before Able was killed. Today, women have been known to have over 20 children in a puny 40 year birth giving lifespan---those people lived for hundred of years and had no health issues. My husbands brother is 9 mths younger than he----those women could have easily spit out hundreds of children in their lifespan, at least one a year not counting twins or more (of which, it has been credibly argued, Cain and Abel were)---2 people could populate a whole town in no time, just with their children, much less when their children started spitting them out!

True. But that adds a lot to scripture that doesn't exist.
I'm avoid adding anything.

All life has come from the land, under God's direction.

24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.

This is where wild man came from that Adam's offspring had children with a filled the world and built cities.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You guys do the same thing ... only you call it "peer review."

Take your own medicine.

I can guarantee you that if you ask working scientists the following broad questions:
- how old is the earth
- how did humans originate
- how does evolution work
- ...

You'll get pretty synchronised answers.

Meanwhile, you folks have a book that supposedly reflects the lessons, information and wishes of an all-knowing, all-powerfull entity... all you have to do is read. And you can't even agree on the basics of what it says concerning these subjects.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No, it's not a genetic trait. It's a spiritual position as with all genealogies provided in scripture.

But it is past on to off-spring?
How, if not genetically?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I confess that my far liberal views are a different conclusion than most theologians and not even promoted by any organised group of Christians. I have a very fringe opinion and am deemed a heretic by many. But having been ulrtra-conservative in the past, I have no malice toward those holding traditional beliefs. I even defend the flat-earth position as 99.98% correct. (The difference between a flat plane and the curve of the earth is a 0.02% deviation. )

It's not just you versus the rest though.
From the looks of it, every single individual theist in this thread is NOT agreeing with all other individual theists in this thread.

As in, if 10 theists are engaging in this thread, we are looking at 10 different versions.


EDIT: LOL! I was just done typing this message, scrolled further to see the new posts in the thread and what do I see? 4 theists arguing amongst themselves about what the story does and doesn't say.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And you can't even agree on the basics of what it says concerning these subjects.

"You" being a group of who ? (can't really identify those who oppose Scripture even though they say they are believers, in most sections of the forum)
See? All those who are taught the truth and believe it, following Jesus and immersed in His Name, do agree. (all over the world wherever they may be found, FEW that we/they are)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's not just you versus the rest though.
From the looks of it, every single individual theist in this thread is NOT agreeing with all other individual theists in this thread.

As in, if 10 theists are engaging in this thread, we are looking at 10 different versions.


EDIT: LOL! I was just done typing this message, scrolled further to see the new posts in the thread and what do I see? 4 theists arguing amongst themselves about what the story does and doesn't say.

Who ever once ever anywhere said 'theists' will agree on anything ?

 

[DogmaHunter]

LOL!---Though you do have a point, I do not see where atheism has brought about unity of hearts in all those who believe there is no God.

1. atheism is not the claim or belief that "there is no god". atheism is a single position on the claim "there IS a god". And that position is: "I see no reason to accept that claim as true" - which does not mean that one accepts the opposite claim.

2. as atheism makes no claims, there is nothing in atheism to agree or disagree about.

Anytime you get 2 people together, you will have a differing of opinion.

Except here, the subject matter is not "opinion". It is rather "what is reality?".
Reality isn't a matter of "opinion".

This isn't "I like blue" and "I prefer red".

This is about what is true / accurate and what isn't. Which is a matter of fact and evidence, not a matter of preferences or opinions.

Even in the closest of relationships, there will be disagreements. We may disagree on the meaning of words, on differing doctrines, on time lines, and so forth, but as atheists believe there is no God and do not agree on much anything else

Again, while believing or claiming "there is no god" is obviously compatible with atheism, it isn't inherent to it.

Most atheists are agnostic atheists.

-----we all believe there is a God, that He loves us so much He sent His Son to die for us and save us from our sins, that we will be with God and His Son for Eternity after death, that this world will be made new one day and that the bible is His word.

Yet you can not agree what that word is all about. Eventhough you're all reading the same book. This reflects upon your god-model as well. If you can't agree about the lore, then that disagreement inevitably reflects on this god as well.

Remember, some of you (you = christians) are saying things like "if you believe evolution, you will go to hell" - and that includes christians who don't have issues with modern biology. Like the Pope.

Which all in all---is still a lot to be in agreement about.

Actually, not really.

God did not create synchronized robots. We do not ask that anyone believe us--we ask that you read His word.

I did read his supposed word and I didn't see any difference (in terms of believability) in comparision with any other religious book out there.

You folks are also reading his supposed word and even among you, you cannot agree on what it says. What makes you think that when I would read it, I would understand it like you do? Not even christians understand it like you do, apparantly.

Again, I think you might first want to agree among yourselves what it says, before any of you ask us to agree with you.

The messengers may be less than perfect, that does not make the message wrong.

What message? The one you christians can't even agree on?
That's the thing, isn't it....

If even bible believers can't agree on what the texts are saying, what do you really expect from an atheist reading those books?

 

[bhsmte]

I can guarantee you that if you ask working scientists the following broad questions:
- how old is the earth
- how did humans originate
- how does evolution work
- ...

You'll get pretty synchronised answers.

Meanwhile, you folks have a book that supposedly reflects the lessons, information and wishes of an all-knowing, all-powerfull entity... all you have to do is read. And you can't even agree on the basics of what it says concerning these subjects.

The most intense debates on these boards, has always been between christians and who has the correct interpretation of scripture.

Quite entertaining to watch.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The most intense debates on these boards, has always been between christians and who has the correct interpretation of scripture.

Quite entertaining to watch.

I agree.
Perhaps I didn't pay much attention in other threads, but in this thread, it seems to be exceptionally so.

I just scrolled through various pages with practically nothing but back and forwards between christians, disagreeing about what their bible says. All of them completely convinced that "they" have the right understanding.

 

[DogmaHunter]

"You" being a group of who ?

The theists in this thread that disagree with eachother on the subject matter.

(can't really identify those who oppose Scripture even though they say they are believers, in most sections of the forum)

Emphasis mine.
Somehow, I knew that it wouldn't take long before someone replied to my post with a no-true-scottsman fallacy.

See? All those who are taught the truth and believe it, following Jesus and immersed in His Name, do agree.

Haaaa. And I bet that YOU are that individual in this particular thread, ha?

Because none of the theists in this thread seem to be agreeing on the subject matter.
So at best, only one of you has been "taught the truth and believes it"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Somehow, I knew that it wouldn't take long before someone replied to my post with a no-true-scottsman fallacy.

Which fallacy are you using,
or which fallacy would you like to choose instead ? (that you or others have posted all along in many threads)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Haaaa. And I bet that YOU are that individual in this particular thread, ha?

? who knows? Posted "ALL those", not just one or two.
I don't know about anyone in this thread, do you ?

 

[joshua 1 9]

not just take a verse out of it's context to try and built your own view of things.

That is why I always want to know what Moses says about it. God is not doing anything in the Church that He did not already do with Israel as a Nation.

 

[mmksparbud]

True. But that adds a lot to scripture that doesn't exist.
I'm avoid adding anything.

All life has come from the land, under God's direction.

24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.

This is where wild man came from that Adam's offspring had children with a filled the world and built cities.

No--you are adding a great deal that is counter to what the scriptures say. Nowhere does it say that God created spiritual Adam and Eve after making them wild animals. God does not make j8unki---0what He does perfectly. Some say "good" does not equate to perfect. In the eyes of God what do you think good means?---ooops, I forgot this or that? I should have given them 4 arms instead of 2 so they'd be more productive--or another set of eyes in the back of their heads so they can see where they're going and where they've been at the same time?? When God declares something good--it actually reads functional.

טוב

FUNCTIONAL: Definition: Fulfilling the action for which a person or thing is specially fitted or used, or for which a thing exists. A functioning within its intended purpose. Hebrew: טוב tov-masc.טובה to-vah-fem. AHLB: 1186-J(N) KJV Translations: good, better, well, goodness, goodly, best, merry, fair, prosperity, precious, fine, wealth, beautiful, fairer, favour, glad Strong's: #2896, #2898

25 and~he~will~DO(Verb) {וַיַּעַשׂ / wai'ya'as} Elohiym {אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him} AT {אֶת / et} LIVING {חַיַּת / hhai'yat} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets} to~KIND~her {לְמִינָהּ / lê'mi'nah} and~AT {וְאֶת / wê'et} the~BEAST {הַבְּהֵמָה / ha'be'hey'mah} to~KIND~her {לְמִינָהּ / lê'mi'nah} and~AT {וְאֵת / wê'eyt} ALL {כָּל / kol} TREADER {רֶמֶשׂ / re'mes} the~GROUND {הָאֲדָמָה / ha'a'da'mah} to~KIND~him {לְמִינֵהוּ / lê'mi'ney'hu} and~he~will~SEE(Verb) {וַיַּרְא / wai'yar} Elohiym {אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him} GIVEN.THAT {כִּי / ki} FUNCTIONAL {טוֹב / tov}

and Elohiym made living ones of the land to her kind and the beast to her kind and all of the treaders of the ground to his kind, and Elohiym saw that it was functional,

God pronounced the creatures He had created fully functional, needing nothing. You are saying He didn't. They were animals and He had to remake them, give them something they didn't have, which would have made them less than perfect and God doesn't do half-baked. Scripture doesn't say that.

 

[bhsmte]

Asna general rule, people tend to interpret scripture in a way that meets their personal psychological needs.

 

[mmksparbud]

I did read his supposed word and I didn't see any difference (in terms of believability) in comparision with any other religious book out there.

Really? You see no difference between a God that comes down from His lofty place to become human and die a horrible death in order for our sins to be forgiven and that we may one day spend eternity with Him? Tell me, what other book says that?

 

[mmksparbud]

Will these do?

Galatians 6:11 Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.

1 Timothy 3:14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

LOL! I was re4fering to Moses---not Paul, Timothy, John or anyone else!!

 

[joshua 1 9]

The theists in this thread that disagree with each other on the subject matter.

You have YEC (Bishop Ussher), OEC (Gerald Schroeder), GAP (Thomas Chambers) and Theistic Evolutionists like Frances Collins. I do not disagree with any of them over their fundamental beliefs. How do you explain that? Looks like a contradiction but I do not see a contradiction at all because they are not talking about the same thing. They are all talking about something different from each other. Paradoxes are a reflection of contradictory forces inherent in human nature & human existence. (Corning)

You may want to tread lightly because when you get into social evolution - anti theistic evolution starts to fall apart. My wife actually has her degree in Sociology so I maybe more prepared then you think to get into a discussion on the Jungian perspective of how 'archetypal paradox' refers to the fundamental, primordial, and contradictory forces that groups face as they struggle for increasing consciousness.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I just scrolled through various pages with practically nothing but back and forwards between christians, disagreeing about what their bible says. All of them completely convinced that "they" have the right understanding.

Welcome to the world !
(to find other, keep seeking)