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Was Adam the FIRST Food Producer??? GENERATIONS ???

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by joshua 1 9, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    In the evolution of man there are lots of things to consider and lots of things to talk about. But there was one really big transition that took place. Man went from a food gather to a food producer. This involves seeds, plants & grains. This also involves cattle and farm or domesticated animals. (NOTE: I try to use the words that people need to do a google search)

    In the Bible we have Adam and Eve (NOT Adam and Steve). Lets look at what the Bible says:

    "4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." Genesis Chapter Two (2)

    We are told "these are the generations". "These" is a pronoun plural masculine and feminine. Now lets try to figure out what the word "GENERATIONS" means. Perhaps each individual reading this post would like to tell us what the word "generations" means. For example one dictionary says: "All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor" If we look at the Bible we read in Genesis 5:1 "the book of the generations of Adam". Science likes to talk about a common ancestor. Here in the Bible we are talking about a common ancestor and his name is Adam.

    So lets look at this word generations and see if we can understand what the word means. We get the word "gene" from the word generations. Maybe we could write a book or a hundred books or even hundreds of thousands of books in a library and we would still be trying to figure out what this Hebrew word for "generations" means.

    Gen 5:1 "the generations of Adam"
    Gen 6:9 "These [are] the generations of Noah:"
    Gen 11:10 "These [are] the generations of Shem:"
    Gen 25:12 "Now these [are] the generations of Ishmael,"

    Ishmael was the son of Abraham and his wife's maid the Egyptian: Hagar. It was actually Abraham's wife: Sarah that same up with the idea of Abraham having a son with her maid. The story is there in the Bible. But later on Sarah got upset with her maid Hagar and the son Ishmael. Hagar of course was distressed. I suppose she thought she would be treated better then the way she was getting treated. You can read the story in Wiki if you do not want to read about Ishmael in the Bible. Hagar - Wikipedia

    Gen 17:20 "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation."

    So if you read the book of Genesis you will read a lot about the Generations of Abraham. I get into this because that is the first word we read in the story is "generations" (other than "these are").

    Now let me use a word not in the Bible. A word we read about in Science: Synergism. Synergism comes from the Greek word "synergos" meaning working together. "
    synergism
    1. the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects."
    What is the synergism here? Adam and farming or Adam and Eve. Because Adam and Eve produced generations and that means a LOT of hungry mouths to feed. We see that Adam was a food producer and that means Adam was able to feed those children. Food production is BOTH animal husbandry and agriculture or tilling the ground.

    Did all of this begin with Adam and Eve in the Bible? Is that a wild claim to make? Yet Science talks about common ancestor. We are still only dealing with ONE WORD in our Bible: Generations. What benefits can we reap from the study of this one word???
     
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  2. SkyWriting

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    There is also no mention of down syndrome or stillborn babies.
    But out here, in our actual reality, there are different situations.
     
  3. SkyWriting

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    Adam was the first human created with a physical body from the dust, to receive the breath of life in him. All his children and his children's children, "generations", had to suffer for his decision to go his own way, not with God. Even all of creation suffered from this separation, and the clock began to tick toward Adams death. Time began after Adam sinned.
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    Befor Adam sinned, there was no death. After he sinned against God Adam was told he would have to work hard for his food after that. Anyone living before Adam did not have the breath of life in them and lived as animals, so they never had life, so they never died.
     
  5. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Ecc 6:3 "A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he".
     
  6. SkyWriting

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    Befor Adam's fall, humans lived as animals and had no moral responsibility to
    do unto others, as one would have them do unto you.
     
  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    If you mean evolution contrary to all Scripture, then there is really nothing to talk about -
    YHWH created all things simple, as His Word clearly Says, and 'man' came up with "lots of things to consider and lots of things to talk about" all opposed to His Word, enemies of YHWH.
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    I stand corrected. I see that at least God understands that this life is not a
    perfect Adam and Eve in a Garden Paradise in a prearranged marriage.
     
  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    None perhaps, or many: one can sow the Word, another can water it,
    YHWH gives the growth if any.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    That Generations only refers to the first of a particular set. Not the first created.
     
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    More cognitive dissimulation. Before Adam there was no death from sin. I did a study on this and before Adam the people were killed. Cain talks about this when he says: "whoever finds me will kill me." Every skeleton they find was in the prime of life. There was no sign of age and they were killed with an arrowhead or some sort of a weapon.

    Genesis 4 "12"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth." 13Cain said to the LORD,"My punishment is too great to bear! 14"Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."…
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    COOL ? "A study" apart from and already known to be contrary to YHWH'S WILL, WORD and PURPOSE (according to what you just posted anyway).

    So what would anyone expect to find studying anything that comes from the enemy of Christ anywhere in the world ? Confirming and upholding YHWH'S WORD ? no. tearing down His Word, dismantling His Word, for some nefarious purpose , often not revealed.
     
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    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    People still live like animals today and the Bible teaches us if you live like an animal you will perish like the animals. WE are called to a higher calling and this means we are to be born again and filled with the Holy Spirit of God. We become a new creation in Christ and everything is made new. The flesh is like a garment and we are to throw away our old dirty wore out clothing and we receive a make over and all new clothing to wear. This is refereed to as the wedding garment without spot, blemish or wrinkle.
     
  15. Gene2memE

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    There is strong evidence that horticulture and then agriculture developed progressively over the course of about 40,000 years, at sites all over the world.

    There is some evidence - not overwhelmingly strong though - of deliberate clearing and planting patterns of yams and fruit and nut bearing trees in the Papua New Guinea highlights about 33-35,000 years ago. Similarly there is evidence of deliberate root vegetable planting and harvesting in the Solomon Islands about 25,000 years ago. The earliest evidence of agriculture is the domestication of proto-cereal crops in the Sea of Galilee area about 23,000 years ago, along with their harvesting, grinding and cooking.

    There is no evidence, strong or otherwise, that Adam and Eve are anything other than mythical figures.
     
  16. joshua 1 9

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    The police are the enemy of Christ? That is not what the Bible says. We are told in Romans 4:13 "he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil."

    Lets look at Kennewick Man for example. This was a body found and the police were called in because of foul play to investigate a murder. The cause of death was found to be a spear point. Soon they discovered that their murder victim was 9,300 years old.

    The good news is that LOTS of money began to pour in for this investigation.

    Scientists ponder who -- or what -- killed Kennewick Man

    "One clue: The stone spear point in the hip of the 9,300-year-old human remains known as Kennewick Man indicates the old guy had at least one enemy." Not that he was that old when he died as he did not have any appearance of aging and looked to be in the prime of his life. This shows that before the Flood people did not age the way they did after the flood of Noah. The evidence is there in Kennewick man for everyone to examine. He has a very interesting story to tell.

    It is very common for ancient remains to first be investigated as a murder before they do a carbon test to realize how ancient the remains are. Also everyone that I have investigated actually were murdered a very long time ago.

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  17. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Only fabricated evidence.
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    From the Spiritual perspective, God sees us as forgiven, yes.
    But we don't physically change in the least. We just wear new
    clothes. Like Paul said, we remain the greatest of sinners, he
    being the worst, becuase he understands how bad his sin is.
     
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    Not that you are judging.
    27 Bible verses about Judging Others - Knowing Jesus
     
  20. SkyWriting

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    They were the first humans to have the Spirit of Life breathed into them.
    I'm sure you can see (even visually) how early man was just an animal.
     
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