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Was Adam the FIRST Food Producer??? GENERATIONS ???

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by joshua 1 9, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I go by what Moses wrote. God gave Moses His whole plan of salvation. Of course sometimes with Moses we only receive two or three words. Then later on a prophet will explain what God gave to Moses. The Bible is filled with shadows and types.
     
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    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Heard that from my dad all my life. That is why we do not need man to teach us what is in the Bible. We have the HOLY Spirit of God to guide us and to lead us into the truth. People try to devise an alibi but all of their attempts will shatter like glass before the throne when the are judged according to the Word of God. So on that day no one will have an excuse. We have the Bible, also we have Science. Even the theory of evolution gives us a witness and testimony for God.

    I like to know what God is doing in the lives of others but I do not depend on them to teach me what the Bible says. It would be nice if we could trust others but we really can only put our trust in God.
     
  3. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    No, it's not a genetic trait. It's a spiritual position as with all genealogies provided in scripture.
     
  4. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    When two or more agree that is very powerful. This is why God confused the language at the tower of Babel.

    LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. 7"Come,let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.…Genesis 11
     
  5. SkyWriting

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    I confess that my far liberal views are a different conclusion than most theologians and not even promoted by any organised group of Christians. I have a very fringe opinion and am deemed a heretic by many. But having been ulrtra-conservative in the past, I have no malice toward those holding traditional beliefs. I even defend the flat-earth position as 99.98% correct. (The difference between a flat plane and the curve of the earth is a 0.02% deviation. )
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Um ... Moses didn't write the New Testament.
     
  7. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Virtually all writers when they are the ones writing will say "I did this or that"---Never once is that wording used. I've never read the Torah with the believe that it was Moses himself writing it. It reads in third person, someone else saying what he did---never the less--who ever wrote it, these are his actions and thoughts and the word of God.
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    Each individual life form is according to God's design at each
    moment of it's existence. So you need to disqualify that position,
    not the position of heathens.

    Your position is that God needed to put a mark on Cain, so that as he
    wandered the world, his brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews would
    be able to identify him and not kill him.

    That's quite a stretch for him to be so worried about immediate family
    not listed anywhere in scripture.

    Your position is that all of Adam and Eve's children intermarried.
    That's quite a stretch for people not listed anywhere in scripture
    and in light of rules that prohibit such behavior.

    You need to add a whole lot of sisters and brothers to scripture (not found in scripture)
    to all intermarry (not found in scripture) to fill the world and have
    Cain worried about being killed by them.

    In my investigation of this problem of adding 100's of offspring
    to intermarry and fill the world, I noticed that Adam and Eve were
    not created Ex Nihilo. I also noticed that "all life" had previoulsy
    been produced by the land.

    I'm not trying to prove any position. I'm attempting to change
    what scripture says as little as possible. Generations of people KNOW
    that you shouldn't breed with your siblings, scripture states this,
    and so we can't expect God to have them swallow that story
    without comment and conditional approval by scripture.

    Without any noted comment on insest, we must assume that
    New Testament writers knew about humans outside of the Garden
    Paradise.

    These people are who Cain was afraid would kill him and who
    married with Adams offspring.

    So Adam would not be the first food producer. Instead of living
    a "life of ease" fully under God's communion, with God walking
    even at his side, instead Adam was kicked out of paradise and
    would have to work hard to produce food and Eve would bear
    children in pain, not under the guiding hand of God, who evidently
    would have children born without pain. It would have been nice.

    On the other hand, perhaps Adam was the first to till the soil.
    Hard to say.
     
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  9. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    I said Moses didn't write the NEW TESTAMENT.

    Moses personally wrote Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy; and he edited Genesis.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    Those are the same qualities that all physical life is derived from....red and earth.
     
  11. mmksparbud

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    You are referring to things after the fall in the above post. We were talking about humans existing before Adam and Eve were created.

    As for Cain and Abel--only males were talked about in genealogy. Females were mentioned only if they were of some importance to the storyline. Inheritance passed from firstborn male to firstborn male. Cain lost his birthright after he was expelled and the birthright then fell to Seth. There could have been many females born before Cain and Abel. The prohibition of brothers and sisters and other close relatives marrying did not go into effect until long after the flood, --There were no birth defects and such to pass down.---Abraham was married to his sister---half sister actually, and God had no objection. Most of those people were married to 1st cousins--Rachel and Isaac--Rachel was the daughter of Abrahams brother. It does not state how many children Abel or Cain had before he was killed, doesn't even mentation the age of either. The birthright fell to Seth and no other heir was needed to be mentioned for the purposes of tracing the family line.
     
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    Doesn't sound like it. Doesn't matter to me--it is the word of God. Name one verse that says "I did this"--it is always Moses.
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    The reason I refer to Cain being worried about being killed by his brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews, finally finding a wife, then building a city, is that is relates to humans existing other than Adam and Eve.
    It all points to other humans in scripture, other than Cains immediate family.
    Or humans that were contemporary with Adam and Eve.
     
  14. AV1611VET

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    Will these do?

    Galatians 6:11 Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.

    1 Timothy 3:14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

    1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
     
  15. mmksparbud

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    Scriptures call no other creatures--human.
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    That is a clear violation of:
    Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.
    Or men, treat females, just as you would wish females to treat you.
     
  17. SkyWriting

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    Those are the same qualities that all physical life is derived from....red and earth.

    24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.

    So this is where wild man came from
    animals (2), appetite (1), beast (27), beasts (43), creature (2), creatures (3), life (9), life* (1), live* (1), living beings (15), living thing (1), wild animals (1), wild beast (1), wild beasts (1).

    Then God decided to change man and fashioned him in God's image starting with Adam.
     
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  18. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    No, it isn't, not at all in fact and in truth, nor according to all YHWH'S Word, YHWH'S PURPOSE, PLAN and SALVATION IN JESUS.

    Not understanding YHWH'S Word , may not be the unforgivable sin, but it does lead to many other compounded sins.
     
  19. mmksparbud

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    As I said---there were females born to Adam and Eve never mentioned and who knows how many children Cain and Abel had before Able was killed. Today, women have been known to have over 20 children in a puny 40 year birth giving lifespan---those people lived for hundred of years and had no health issues. My husbands brother is 9 mths younger than he----those women could have easily spit out hundreds of children in their lifespan, at least one a year not counting twins or more (of which, it has been credibly argued, Cain and Abel were)---2 people could populate a whole town in no time, just with their children, much less when their children started spitting them out!
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Well, whether or not man is needed to teach what is in the Bible,
    instead of learning the truth of what is in the Bible, no matter who was the teacher (claimed teacher), you get a lot wrong
    as some MAN taught you about SCIENCE OPPOSED to the BIBLE,
    and opposed to all God's Plan .

    The Spirit of YHWH will NEVER, ever, no not even once, teach you the things you have posted that are opposed to God's Word directly,
    supported instead by MAN'S [sinful] SCIENCE, opposed to God every day.
     
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