Why Believers are not under the Old Covenant Law of Moses

[LoveGodsWord]

bekkilyn said: Will those who do not observe Saturday Sabbath enter heaven, yes or no?

LoveGodsWord said: God's Word says anyone practicing known, unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom. (Acts 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9; Psalms 1:5; 2 Peter 3:7; Jude 1:14-15; Romans 6:23; Ecclesiastes 12:13; Isaiah 1:28; Isaiah 13:9; Isaiah 33:14; Ezekiel 18:20-24; Proverbs 8:36; Ezekiel 33:12.. etc etc etc) God's Word says known, unrepentant SIN will keep us out of God's Kingdom because it is UNBELIEF in God's Word and we are only saved by believing God and by faith following him who loves all.

You did not answer the question. The question was, "Will those who do not observe Saturday Sabbath enter heaven, yes or no?"

SIN is breaking and of God's 10 commandments (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20) You have been answered indeed but you did not like the answers provided with the scriptures so you do not believe it. Unrepentant SIN will indeed keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom (only some of the scriptures provided above).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

UNREPENTANT SIN WILL KEEP YOU OUT OF GOD’S KINGDOM

We are talking about unrepentant SIN however and how it will keep you out of God's Kingdom. If we do not repent of our SINS and our faith does not work by love that produces the fruit of obedience you WILL be lost. The fruit of Love is the Gift of God in those that walk in His Spirit and a sign that they are the true believers because they follow God's Word by faith in love.

For example God's Word says...........................

Hebrews 10
26, For IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.

Hebrews 6
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

1 John 2:2-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Psalms 1
5, Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6, For the LORD knows the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

2 Peter 2
3, And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.
4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;
7, And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Jude 1
14, And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Ecclesiastes 12
13, Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14, For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Isaiah 1
28, And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

Isaiah 13
9, Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 33
14, The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15, He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16, He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

Proverb 8
36, But he that sins against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death

Ezekiel 18
4, Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
20, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21, But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22, All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23, Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24, But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26, When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27, Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28, Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29, Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30, Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31, Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32, For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves , and live ye.

Proverbs 28
9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Ezekiel 33
10, Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 , I f the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

Romans 6
23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we break any one of the ten we stand guilty before God of SIN (James 2:8-11) and need to repent and seek his forgiveness (Proverbs 28:13; 1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9). Those that continue a life in known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[FreeAtLast]

Now therefore why do you tempt God, that you should put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:10

It says only that they were not able to bear it, not that it is unbearable.

It is the same thing; they were not able to bear it, unbearable. Same thing. The Old Covenant Law of Moses was never intended for us to be able to bear it, otherwise Yeshua's death would be unnecessary.

 

[FreeAtLast]

Wow.

Again, I disagree, have clearly explained why a few times, believe as you choose....

None so blind.

Goodness, thank you SO much for this perfect example of what you accuse others of, "comebacks intended to negate the truth" and for showing who is actually making them. "None so blind. Believe as you choose."

As for me and MY house, we choose the truth from the Word of G-d, not the teachings of men and their religion. Those who have eyes to see. Mark 8:18 Titus 3:9-10.

Shalom b'Yeshua haMashiach

 

[Doug Melven]

s this the "They were never saved to begin with" part?

If so, does that mean that since they weren't saved, they go to hell, but those that are saved, don't have to do the works/can act just like them, but don't go to Hell?

Are these the questions you said I didn't reply to?

Jesus said to the goats, "I never knew you".
Never means never. At no time did these people have a relationship with Jesus. They did not at one point have a relationship, then later lose it due to lack of works.
For the 2nd question, nobody here is saying you can get saved and then go live however you want.
Some would misinterpret what I believe about sin. See my post in this thread. It is #109
What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now therefore why do you tempt God, that you should put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Acts 15:10

It says only that they were not able to bear it, not that it is unbearable. It is the same thing; they were not able to bear it, unbearable. Same thing. The Old Covenant Law of Moses was never intended for us to be able to bear it, otherwise Yeshua's death would be unnecessary.

Do you choose the truth?

ACTS 15

Your mistake is that you and some others look at Acts 15 and interpret the chapter as referring to God's Law (10 commandments) when it does not even mention them. What you do not read however in Acts 15 is that the context and chapter of your scripture is talking about circumcision and the laws of Moses as a means of salvation which were types pointing to Jesus v1.

You have the laws of Moses and God's Law mixed up which were both a part of the Old Covenant. The laws of Moses for sin were shadows of the New Testament pointing to Jesus. While the scriptures tell us very clearly God's Law is forever and included in the New Covenant. Let's look at what God's Words says.

What is the purpose of God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws...................

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (right doing) is and the describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the saviour of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

More scriptures on this subject here linked referring to Colossians 2:14-17 linking old and new testament writings.................

Just as the Mosaic laws were temporary pointing to Jesus, God's Law is forever and the standard of the Old Covenant the New Covenant and the Judgement to come......

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

Now what is Acts 15:10 talking about. Let's look at the chapter and context.......

Acts 15
1, And certain men which came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved <The controversy is that if you are not circumcised after the law of Moses you cannot be saved>.
2, When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3, And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4, And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

19, Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: <New converts do not need to be circumcised after the law of Moses>
20, But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21, For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day <the new converts will learn more because the scriptures are read in the synagogues every Sabbath>.
22, Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23, And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24, Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: <what law are we referring to? The law of Moses; circumcision>

As mentioned above already the Mosaic laws (not God's Law; 10 commandments) that were the cure for sin in the Old Covenant pointing to Jesus have been done away. They were shadows that pointed to Jesus and were fulfilled at the cross. For example with circumcision...........................

Romans 2
28, For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29, But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now let's look at your interpretation of Acts 15. You imply by your interpretation of the Chapter because none of God's Law (10 commandments) are mentioned that the Gentiles do not need to follow them. So they can go kill, steal, covet etc etc as long as they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood v20. This is despite more then 1300 scriptures in God's Word that say the opposite. You may need to reconsider your interpretation of God's Word.

Yep everything is as it is according to God's Word and we should believe it.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[FreeAtLast]

Are these the questions you said I didn't reply to?

Jesus said to the goats, "I never knew you".
Never means never. At no time did these people have a relationship with Jesus. They did not at one point have a relationship, then later lose it due to lack of works.
For the 2nd question, nobody here is saying you can get saved and then go live however you want.
Some would misinterpret what I believe about sin. See my post in this thread. It is #109
What Ideas do you have that might be considered "heretical" by some in your beliefs...?

Thank you Doug for your consistent and gracious replies and always giving the Biblical answers. May G-d bless you as you minister His truth!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

UNREPENTANT SIN WILL KEEP YOU OUT OF GOD'S KINGDOM

All who hear His voice know the true Shepard because he knows them by name and they know him and hear His Voice (the Word) and follow Him because he calls them through love and they love him and know him.

SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom. We can all choose to believe God's Word or not. God's Word will be the judge in the last days (John 12:47-48). God's Sheep hear His Voice (His Word) and His calling, Many are called but few are chosen because men loved darkness rather then light (the Word) because their deeds were evil (sin).

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with loving kindness have I drawn thee. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

 

[sparow]

Thank you for not being argumentative, I do not wish to be so either, just gracious discussion of the Scriptures.

No, I have not missed your point at all, I simply don't believe it to be true. These verses listed are not out of context, and they are exactly what Paul meant. I know you see it differently, however, I see it literally, as he meant it.




I am thankful for the forum rules, and I totally agree with them. Actually, G-d testifies that ALL Scripture, which includes the words of Paul, are from HIM.
2 Timothy 3:16

Taking the scriptures literally is too large and complicated a topic for me to get tangled up with at the moment but I see you have made the same error with 2Timothy3:16. Paul refers to the OT which Christ has authenticated also. Paul's writings included in the NT cannon by Church fathers under the supervision of a Roman Emperor; you may accept their authority were as I do not. In the OT a lot of books contain words like "the sovereign Lord has spoken" or that God has spoken can be derived from the text; there are a couple of books that do not have God speaking; Ruth is such a book but it is claimed Ruth contains an overview of the plan of salvation.

Even when scripture is God breathed it can still be interfered with by men; let the reader beware.

 

[bekkilyn]

SIN is breaking and of God's 10 commandments (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20) You have been answered indeed but you did not like the answers provided with the scriptures so you do not believe it. Unrepentant SIN will indeed keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom (only some of the scriptures provided above).

Yet again you deflect from answering a very specific question. The question was, "Will those who do not observe Saturday Sabbath enter heaven, yes or no?"

 

[LoveGodsWord]

GOD'S SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE AND FOLLOW HIM

We must be careful to hear God's Word. If our eyes are not open how shall we see Him who loves all? How can we hear him calling us when we close our ears?

ACTS 28
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27, For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[sparow]

Yet again you deflect from answering a very specific question. The question was, "Will those who do not observe Saturday Sabbath enter heaven, yes or no?"

Keeping the Law is not a test for salvation; as a standard form keeping the Law is a requirement when in covenant with God; keeping Sabbath is a sign that one has entered into the covenant; that the kingdom of God with it's King and His Law is a delight, other wise what use would the kingdom of God be to one.

One is only required to keep the Law in as far as they are aware of it; a few Christians may not be aware of the Sabbath issue and may in the past be exempt; but most Christians wilfully abrogate the Law/covenant, and so they are called lawless.

One might think that a change to the Law is found in scripture but one would be hard pressed to prove it. Every so often I stumble onto Creflo Dollar on the TV and he seem to spend his whole life justifying not keeping the Law. But the Catholic Church has brilliant scholars and at the council of Trent when the Protestants were saying "the Bible, the Bible alone", the Catholics responded with, "If you go by the Bible alone you will have keep the Saturday Sabbath because there is no other authority for Changing it, only the Catholic Church.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Keeping the Law is not a test for salvation; as a standard form keeping the Law is a requirement when in covenant with God; keeping Sabbath is a sign that one has entered into the covenant; that the kingdom of God with it's King and His Law is a delight, other wise what use would the kingdom of God be to one.

One is only required to keep the Law in as far as they are aware of it; a few Christians may not be aware of the Sabbath issue and may in the past be exempt; but most Christians wilfully abrogate the Law/covenant, and so they are called lawless.

One might think that a change to the Law is found in scripture but one would be hard pressed to prove it. Every so often I stumble onto Creflo Dollar on the TV and he seem to spend his whole life justifying not keeping the Law. But the Catholic Church has brilliant scholars and at the council of Trent when the Protestants were saying "the Bible, the Bible alone", the Catholics responded with, "If you go by the Bible alone you will have keep the Saturday Sabbath because there is no other authority for Changing it, only the Catholic Church.

Which covenant than are you under? The Old Covenant?

I'm under the new and better covenant brought by Jesus Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Which covenant than are you under? The Old Covenant? I'm under the new and better covenant brought by Jesus Christ.

What does the New Covenant mean to you and what is the difference between the Old and New Covenants?

 

[bekkilyn]

It's interesting how a simple question somehow cannot be answered.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What does the New Covenant mean to you?

The New Covenant, of which Jesus Christ, the Son of God died for the sins of mankind through His shed blood on the cross.

The Old Covenant passed away. New High Priest, New Covenant. Christianity 101.

Question: "What is the New Covenant?"

Answer: The New Covenant (or New Testament) is the promise that God makes with humanity that He will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20). The New Covenant was predicted while the Old Covenant was still in effect—the prophets Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel all allude to the New Covenant.

The Old Covenant that God had established with His people required strict obedience to the Mosaic Law. Because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), the Law required that Israel perform daily sacrifices in order to atone for sin. But Moses, through whom God established the Old Covenant, also anticipated the New Covenant. In one of his final addresses to the nation of Israel, Moses looks forward to a time when Israel would be given “a heart to understand” (Deuteronomy 29:4, ESV). Moses predicts that Israel would fail in keeping the Old Covenant (verses 22–28), but he then sees a time of restoration (30:1–5). At that time, Moses says, “The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live” (verse 6). The New Covenant involves a total change of heart so that God’s people are naturally pleasing to Him.

The prophet Jeremiah also predicted the New Covenant. “‘The day will come,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,’ says the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people’” (Jeremiah 31:31, 33). Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and to establish the New Covenant between God and His people. The Old Covenant was written in stone, but the New Covenant is written on our hearts. Entering the New Covenant is made possible only by faith in Christ, who shed His blood to take away the sins of the world (John 1:29). Luke 22:20 relates how Jesus, at the Last Supper, takes the cup and says, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood” (ESV).

The New Covenant is also mentioned in Ezekiel 36:26–27, “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.” Ezekiel lists several aspects of the New Covenant here: a new heart, a new spirit, the indwelling Holy Spirit, and true holiness. The Mosaic Law could provide none of these things (see Romans 3:20).

The New Covenant was originally given to Israel and includes a promise of fruitfulness, blessing, and a peaceful existence in the Promised Land. In Ezekiel 36:28–30 God says, “Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God. . . . I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine.” Deuteronomy 30:1–5 contains similar promises related to Israel under the New Covenant. After the resurrection of Christ, Gentiles were brought into the blessing of the New Covenant, too (Acts 10; Ephesians 2:13–14). The fulfillment of the New Covenant will be seen in two places: on earth, during the Millennial Kingdom; and in heaven, for all eternity.

We are no longer under the Law but under grace (Romans 6:14–15). The Old Covenant has served its purpose, and it has been replaced by “a better covenant” (Hebrews 7:22). “In fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises” (Hebrews 8:6).

Under the New Covenant, we are given the opportunity to receive salvation as a free gift (Ephesians 2:8–9). Our responsibility is to exercise faith in Christ, the One who fulfilled the Law on our behalf and brought an end to the Law’s sacrifices through His own sacrificial death. Through the life-giving Holy Spirit who lives in all believers (Romans 8:9–11), we share in the inheritance of Christ and enjoy a permanent, unbroken relationship with God (Hebrews 9:15).

What is the New Covenant?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The New Covenant, of which Jesus Christ, the Son of God died for the sins of mankind through His shed blood on the cross.
The Old Covenant passed away. New High Priest, New Covenant. Christianity 101.

My question is what is the difference between the old and the new covenant and what is it in the Old Covenant that has passed away?

I am not interested in the Word of website as it has not answered the question. Let's Talk God's Word....

 

[ToBeLoved]

So what is the difference between the old and the new covenant and what is it in the Old Covenant that has passed away?

The entire Covenant passed away.

Read Jeremiah 31. God told the Hebews/Israelite's about it way before Christ's birth.

Jeremiah 31:31-34English Standard Version (ESV)
The New Covenant
31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

 

[ToBeLoved]

So what is the difference between the old and the new covenant and what is it in the Old Covenant that has passed away?

I am not interested in the Word of website. Let's Talk God's Word....

I wish I had the time to bring you up to date on basic Bible theology, but I do not.

This website and the verses included will show you much of the way, if you seek to know

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's interesting how a simple question somehow cannot be answered.

Yep I know I asked these questions many times no one seems to know the answer or wants to answer it.

1. Where does it say in God's Word that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

2. If someone is living a life in unrepentant sin are they in a saved state before God or an unsaved state?