Racism and sexism

[samir]

How about women teachers who have sex with their students?

While the sentances for those so convicted has become closer to equal in the last 10 years, before that a male teacher would spend at least 5-10 years behind bars, put on the sex offender watch list and be barred from teaching for life.

A woman teacher convicted of the same would get at most one year behind bars and not even lose her teaching license.

Sounds sexist. The consequences should be the same.

 

[Zoii]

I agree. Women who terminate/murder their children should be held accountable and need to stop blaming men for their shortcomings.

Samir are you referring to abortions? While I accept your sentiment, in your country abortion is legal. Your thread is about those who have committed a criminal act and Been jailed. Committing something you disagree with and something which is criminal are two different things. None the less your sentiment is accepted.

 

[durangodawood]

Wow. A lot of woe is me I'm a victim of PC going on here.

 

[Dave-W]

Sounds sexist. The consequences should be the same.

There were many that agreed with that; and that is why the consequences are changing for women.

IMO part of the problem before was the big disparity of attitudes between a young girl who feels victimized by her teacher and the young guy who considers himself very lucky to have sex with his teacher. That is a culture thing.

 

[samir]

Samir are you referring to abortions? While I accept your sentiment, in your country abortion is legal. Your thread is about those who have committed a criminal act and Been jailed. Committing something you disagree with and something which is criminal are two different things. None the less your sentiment is accepted.

Women who murder their child anywhere, inside or outside the womb, are guilty of a serious sin according to God and they shouldn't blame men for their sin.

 

[Zoii]

Women who murder their child anywhere, inside or outside the womb, are guilty of a serious sin according to God and they shouldn't blame men for their sin.

Ok so what's that got to do with the thread you created. I think I already said people should take responsibility for their actions, but whats this post got to do with your OP

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How about women teachers who have sex with their students?

While the sentances for those so convicted has become closer to equal in the last 10 years, before that a male teacher would spend at least 5-10 years behind bars, put on the sex offender watch list and be barred from teaching for life.

A woman teacher convicted of the same would get at most one year behind bars and not even lose her teaching license.

So true.
Female Sex Offenders: Double Standard?

No danger of that in my high school. Most of the female teachers were old, fat, and ugly (there was this Latin teacher though........).

 

[samir]

There were many that agreed with that; and that is why the consequences are changing for women.

IMO part of the problem before was the big disparity of attitudes between a young girl who feels victimized by her teacher and the young guy who considers himself very lucky to have sex with his teacher. That is a culture thing.

Basically you're saying men were asking for it. The young guy felt lucky because he persued a relationship with his teacher (considered a passive participant) and was successful whereas the "young girl" is considered a victim of her male teacher's pursuit.

I'm sure this applies in the workplace as well. If a female boss and a male subordinate were in a relationship they'd assume the man initiated and pursued the relationship and the woman would suffer less consequences than a male boss in a relationship with female subordinate.

 

[Zoii]

Basically you're saying men were asking for it. The young guy felt lucky because he persued a relationship with his teacher (considered a passive participant) and was successful whereas the "young girl" is considered a victim of her male teacher's pursuit.

I'm sure this applies in the workplace as well. If a female boss and a male subordinate were in a relationship they'd assume the man initiated and pursued the relationship and the woman would suffer less consequences than a male boss in a relationship with female subordinate.

If its in the workplace then they are two consenting adults so - whats the problem. If however either party wasnt consenting then they go down the usual Human Resources pathway of a formal complaint of sexual harassment.

This post, along with others of yours I have read across several threads, is consistent with the agenda that women are the cause behind the downfall of men - do I have that correct?

 

[ananda]

Federal US prison statistics showed:
71% of inmates were black or Latino while only 25% were white
93% of inmates were men while only 7% were women

I've heard other countries have similar statistics. Why isn't everyone outraged by what appears to be a shockingly high amount of racism and sexism in the criminal justice system? I know some are working to correct racism but why don't I ever hear anyone fighting to put an end to sexism in the prison system?

So the debate should be ... how can we get more asians into the prison system?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So the debate should be ... how can we get more asians into the prison system?

Easy, frame them.

 

[samir]

This post, along with others of yours I have read across several threads, is consistent with the agenda that women are the cause behind the downfall of men - do I have that correct?

No. I have a problem with liberalism not women.

 

[ananda]

Easy, frame them.

Or maybe encourage blacks, Latinos, and whites to self-identify as Asian?

 

[Zoii]

No. I have a problem with liberalism not women.

Well.... look at it this way... Abraham Lincoln was seen as a liberal for his views on slavery.... JFK was was referred to as liberal but he fostered space exploration. ... Gandhi was seen as a radical even but he freed his people from colonialism. So who did they all fight against? Those who wanted and demanded that the status quo remain. You see being liberal is also progressive. Hate it if you want but the world will change whether u like it or not

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well.... look at it this way... Abraham Lincoln was seen as a liberal for his views on slavery.... JFK was was referred to as liberal but he fostered space exploration. ... Gandhi was seen as a radical even but he freed his people from colonialism. So who did they all fight against? Those who wanted and demanded that the status quo remain. You see being liberal is also progressive. Hate it if you want but the world will change whether u like it or not

Lincoln hated slavery but had no love for blacks. He wanted them out of the country after the war as he believed that no good would come from their remaining here.

JFK's tax policies were very conservative.

"Change" is not always progressive.

 

[Zoii]

Lincoln hated slavery but had no love for blacks. He wanted them out of the country after the war.

JFK's tax policies were very conservative.

"Change" is not always progressive.

Oh see - I should have researched better and not being American doesn't help if you quote American history. I'll stick with the Gandhi example then. But the point was made that liberalism is bad in some way - my point is that its a gross over-statement to say - Liberal ideas bad - Conservative good. Its a nonsense statement with conservatives that can have both liberal and conservative paradigms for various topics and vice versa for Liberals. Its incredible how humans like to box people and ideals into little black and white boxes.

and to the OP - the fact that more men are locked up in jail is simple. More men commit crime. Now thats not opinion - thats hardcore fact from your local law enforcement stats.

 

[SupernovaK]

Why do you interpret these figures as racism and sexism?

If only 13% of the American population is black, then any amount higher than that in our prison system constitutes a disproportionate amount of blacks being imprisoned. Since blacks are just like the rest of us except for the color of their skin, that makes this racism.

The OP is probably liberal (like I am), and thus based this thread on the premise that sexism and racism are wrong -- and they are to us liberals. Being a liberal means approaching the question of "how does society get along" with the answer of "tolerance"; we don't exclude those who aren't like us, but instead try to simply live with the differences and try to treat others as equals.

But half of the population doesn't see things the way we do. Being a conservative means approaching societal problems with "exclusion"; if somebody's differences are creating a problem, then prevent them from joining your group. While it strikes me as silly to see skin color as a problem, it is for some people and thus conservatives try to separate from them, even if it means imprisoning them. And unfortunately sexism is an even tougher problem to solve in this regard, as the opposite sex can't be too far removed from oneself, but it is as much as possible (say, by desiring them to stay at home while you work or vice-versa). While this is a valid approach to the problem of a peaceful society, liberals like myself can't live that way... I really don't want to exist in an echo chamber. Perhaps the fact that I'm an atheist posting on a Christian forum will support that assertion.

I'm glad that liberals made "sexism" and "racism" into dirty words so that conservatives feel that they need to distance themselves from those ideas, but it really is a conservative problem. If you are a conservative and thinking of rebutting my argument to pointing out how racist we liberals were by attacking the straw-man of historical Democrats (a party I've never belonged to and would never), you owe it to yourself to read up about the "Southern Strategy" Southern strategy - Wikipedia which describes the difference between modern Democrats and Republicans.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh see - I should have researched better and not being American doesn't help if you quote American history. I'll stick with the Gandhi example then. But the point was made that liberalism is bad in some way - my point is that its a gross over-statement to say - Liberal ideas bad - Conservative good. Its a nonsense statement with conservatives that can have both liberal and conservative paradigms for various topics and vice versa for Liberals. Its incredible how humans like to box people and ideals into little black and white boxes.

and to the OP - the fact that more men are locked up in jail is simple. More men commit crime. Now thats not opinion - thats hardcore fact from your local law enforcement stats.

I'm in general agreement with you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

While it strikes me as silly to see skin color as a problem, it is for some people and thus conservatives try to separate from them, even if it means imprisoning them.

Racism in America is based mostly on skin color. That's a fact even if it is 'silly'. As long as people of different colors are living close together there will be racism. Of course cultural elements can have an impact as well.

Minorities are imprisoned because of crimes they commit, not their skin color. However they may be punished more harshly by reason of their skin color or ethnicity.

 

[ananda]

I'll stick with the Gandhi example then.

Gandhi the sexual molester?