GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER!
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I answered you first question and posed a question to you that you have not responded to yet.
To answer you second question, the keeping of the law is is the sign that you love Jesus, it is the natural outgrowth of love for him, it is call obedience. Adam and Eve failed the test of obedience and were cast out of the garden.
The old and new covenants are the same law just written in different places, one is not higher than the other. The Jews did not comprehend the law ans the fullness of it that is why Jesus expounded on it.
Remember Jesus is the same today as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow he does not change.
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
Genesis 27:41
And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
Same issue NT and OT no change Just that the Jewish religious leaders did not understand the Gospel in the old testament.
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stuart lawrence
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This was the question, based on your quote of Jesus words.
If you do not strive to obey all of Jesus commands in the gospels, does that testify to the fact you do not love him?
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Sorry but I do not have the ability to read a persons heart only God can do that. So I can not answer your question. The thief on the cross that acknowledge Jesus as his savior did not strive to obey the commandments as he was a thief yet he is told that he will be in heaven. Judgment is the Lords only to execute.
Based on you question above are you only a NT Christian as you appear to be referencing the first four books of the NT (Gospels)?
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Stu
I am an old man and it is my bedtime will look forward to your reply in the morning.
God Bless you Brother
I am an old man and it is my bedtime will look forward to your reply in the morning.
God Bless you Brother
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stuart lawrence
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You quoted:
If you love me obey my commandments.
Suggesting, if we love Jesus we will obey the TC.
Why can you not offer an opinion as to whether one must obey all of Jesus commands in the gospels to show they love him?.
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stuart lawrence
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I'm not expecting to get an answer lol.
BTW:
Carry each others burdens and so FULFILL the law of Christ
Gal6:2
Observing a set Saturday sabbath has nothing to do with carrying each others burdens does it. You are mistaken
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stuart lawrence
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At least I answered your question. You did not answer mine
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stuart lawrence
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It's very interesting people will quote:
If you love me obey my commandments
To suggest if you don't obey the TC you don't love Jesus.
However, they are NOT prepared to say if you don't obey all of Jesus commands in the NT it shows you don't love Jesus.
Very interesting indeed
If you love me obey my commandments
To suggest if you don't obey the TC you don't love Jesus.
However, they are NOT prepared to say if you don't obey all of Jesus commands in the NT it shows you don't love Jesus.
Very interesting indeed
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The keeping of Torah has nothing to do with whether or not we love Jesus. Torah was for Israel exclusively. Torah does not pertain to Christianity. The 10 were part of Torah and Torah ended at the Cross. Jesus kept Torah and He asks us to keep His command to love others as He loves us. That is the Christian's law. Anyone who is trying to get us to believe we are subject to Torah in any way is trying to lead us astray. Don't fall for the stuff of those who are trying to put us under the Law.
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stuart lawrence
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The core foundation upon which the NC stands is as follows:
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds
I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17
Part1
The moment you become a Christian the Holy Spirit enters your life and writes the law in your mind God wants you to follow, and places it in your heart. What is in your mind, you in your mind MUST know. What is in your heart, you in your heart want to follow. Simply put, you in your mind instinctively know how God wants you to live, and in your heart you desire to live that way. When the believer follows after the flesh rather than the Spirit/ commits what we often term wilfull sin, their conscience must be seered, as is anyone's, when they go against how they know they should live in their heart and mind. And they will have no rest, and no peace until they come before their Father in heaven and repent, say sorry for their folly.
Part 2
Because, and ONLY because part 1 has taken place in the believers life, they have a saviour from their sins. The penalty of sin is removed therefore from their life. Their sins, which are lawless deeds will be remembered no more. They are free. For Jesus will be no one's saviour from sin unless they have been born again of the Spirit, they have been supernaturally changed into people who know how God wants them to live in their minds, and in their hearts they want to live that way.
The believer is now free from the law of sin and death. They do not look to the written code, strive to obey it, believing they will be cast into hell if they fail to adhere to it The believer looks to Christ and trusts him to do in them, through the sanctification of the holy spirit what they cannot do in themselves. The more they persevere in doing this, the more the fruit of the Spirit grows in their life( gal5:22) That fruit will not bring you into conflict with any of Gods good and holy laws, for that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
Therefore:
AGAINST THAT FRUIT THERE IS NO LAW
Gal5:23
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds
I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17
Part1
The moment you become a Christian the Holy Spirit enters your life and writes the law in your mind God wants you to follow, and places it in your heart. What is in your mind, you in your mind MUST know. What is in your heart, you in your heart want to follow. Simply put, you in your mind instinctively know how God wants you to live, and in your heart you desire to live that way. When the believer follows after the flesh rather than the Spirit/ commits what we often term wilfull sin, their conscience must be seered, as is anyone's, when they go against how they know they should live in their heart and mind. And they will have no rest, and no peace until they come before their Father in heaven and repent, say sorry for their folly.
Part 2
Because, and ONLY because part 1 has taken place in the believers life, they have a saviour from their sins. The penalty of sin is removed therefore from their life. Their sins, which are lawless deeds will be remembered no more. They are free. For Jesus will be no one's saviour from sin unless they have been born again of the Spirit, they have been supernaturally changed into people who know how God wants them to live in their minds, and in their hearts they want to live that way.
The believer is now free from the law of sin and death. They do not look to the written code, strive to obey it, believing they will be cast into hell if they fail to adhere to it The believer looks to Christ and trusts him to do in them, through the sanctification of the holy spirit what they cannot do in themselves. The more they persevere in doing this, the more the fruit of the Spirit grows in their life( gal5:22) That fruit will not bring you into conflict with any of Gods good and holy laws, for that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
Therefore:
AGAINST THAT FRUIT THERE IS NO LAW
Gal5:23
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I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, and I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Considering what you posted, where does this place God?
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Stu
Sorry it was not a question but a request that I asked you to respond to.
The mark of the beast only becomes when Sunday worship is enforced and Gods people have to make a choice.
Please share your opinion on the seal of God with me.
I did answer your second question but you do not appear to like the answer, please tell me the answer you are looking for.
Please curtail you use of LOL Your use of it is not what JWD as it appears to belittle others
Sorry it was not a question but a request that I asked you to respond to.
The mark of the beast only becomes when Sunday worship is enforced and Gods people have to make a choice.
Please share your opinion on the seal of God with me.
I did answer your second question but you do not appear to like the answer, please tell me the answer you are looking for.
Please curtail you use of LOL Your use of it is not what JWD as it appears to belittle others
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The thief was redeemed because Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise/heaven. You invalidate your argument.
There's no other kind.
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stuart lawrence
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You stated if you don't obey the fourth commandment your name cannot be written in the lambs book of life.
You quoted:
If you love me obey my commandments.
But you said you were no ones judge as to them obeying Christs commands in the gospels.
I have to assume, from what you wrote, you believe Jesus teaching not to be as important as OT commands
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stuart lawrence
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Anything that gives me consciousness I sin by that which I do, is transgressing law in my mind and heart. For:
Sin is the transgression of the law.
And
Through the law we become conscious of sin
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