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GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER!

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Sep 1, 2017.

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  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Hi All,

    Just posting this here because there seems to be some confusion by some about God's Law (10 commandments) and there role in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the judgement to come. Hope this is helpful to those that love God's Word.

    God's Law (10 commandments). While Christ's death ended the authority of the ceremonial law (laws of Moses), it established the Ten Commandments. Christ took away the curse of the law, thereby liberating believers from its condemnation. His doing so, however, did not mean that the law was abolished, giving us liberty to violate its principles. The abundant testimony of Scripture regarding the perpetuity of the law, refutes such a view.

    Paul described the relationship between obedience and the gospel of saving grace. Calling believers to holy living, he challenged them to present themselves "as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall have no dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace" (Rom. 6:13, 14). So Christians do not keep the law to obtain salvation—those who try to do so will only find a deeper enslavement to sin. "As long as a man is under law he remains also under the dominion of sin, for law cannot save one from either the condemnation or the power of sin. But those who are under grace receive not only release from condemnation (Rom. 8:1), but also power to overcome (Rom. 6:4). Thus sin no longer will have dominion over them."23

    "Christ," Paul added, "is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" (Rom. 10:4). Everyone, then, who believes in Christ realizes that He is the end of the law as a way of obtaining righteousness. In ourselves we are sinners, but in Jesus Christ we are righteous through His imputed righteousness.24

    Yet being under grace does not give believers the license to "continue in sin that grace may abound" (Rom. 6:1). Rather, grace supplies the power that makes obedience and victory over sin possible. "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit" (Rom. 8:1).

    Christ's death magnified the law, upholding its universal authority. If the Decalogue could have been changed, He would not have had to die. But because this law is absolute and immutable, a death was required to pay the penalty it imposed. This requirement Christ fully satisfied by His death on the cross, making eternal life available to all who accept His magnificent sacrifice.

    Obedience to the Law

    People cannot earn salvation by their good works. Obedience is the fruitage of salvation in Christ. Through His amazing grace, especially displayed at the cross, God has liberated His people from the penalty and curse of sin.

    Though they were sinners, Christ gave His life to provide them with the gift of eternal life. God's abundant love awakens in the repentant sinner a response that manifests itself in loving obedience through the power of the grace so abundantly bestowed. Believers who understand that Christ values the law and who understand the blessings of obedience will be strongly motivated to live Christlike lives.

    Christ and the Law. Christ had the highest regard for the ten-commandment law. As the great "I AM," He Himself proclaimed the Father's moral law from Sinai (John 8:58; Ex. 3:14; see chapter 4 of this book). Part of His mission on earth was to "magnify the law and make it honorable" (Isa. 42:21). A passage from the Psalms that the New Testament applies to Christ makes clear His attitude toward the law: "I delight to do Your will, O my God, and Your law is within my heart" (Ps. 40:8; cf. Heb. 10:5, 7).

    His gospel produced a faith that firmly upheld the validity of the Decalogue. Said Paul, Do we "make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law" (Rom. 3:31).

    So Christ came not only to redeem man but to vindicate the authority and holiness of the law of God, presenting its magnificence and glory before the people and giving them an example of how to relate to it. As His followers, Christians are called to magnify God's law in their lives. Having lived a life of loving obedience Himself, Christ stressed that His followers ought to be commandment keepers. When asked about the requirements for eternal life, He replied, "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matt. 19:17). He also warned against the violation of this principle, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Lawbreakers will be refused entrance (Matt. 7:21-23).

    Christ Himself fulfilled the law, not by destroying it but through a life of obedience. "Remember," He said, "that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with" (Matt. 5:18, TEV). Christ strongly emphasized that the grand object of God's law must always be kept in mind: to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and your neighbor as yourself (Matt. 22:37, 38). However, He wanted His followers not to love one another as the world interprets love—selfishly or sentimentally. To explain the love He spoke of, Christ gave a "new commandment" (John 13:34). This new commandment was not to take the place of the Decalogue, but to provide believers with "an example of what true unselfish love really is, such love as had never before been witnessed on the earth. In this sense His commandment might be described as new. It charged them, not simply 'that ye love one another,' but 'that ye love one another, as I have loved you' (John 15:12).

    Strictly speaking, we have here simply one more evidence of how Christ magnified His Father's laws."25

    Obedience reveals such love. Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15). "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love" (John 15:10). Similarly, if we love God's people we love God and "keep His commandments" (1 John 2:3).

    Only through abiding in Christ can we render heartfelt obedience. "As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine," He said, "neither can you, unless you abide in Me. . . . He who abides in Me, and I in Him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing" (John 15:4, 5). To abide in Christ we must be crucified with Him and experience what Paul wrote of: "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" (Gal. 2:20). For those in this condition Christ can fulfill His new covenant promise: "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people" (Heb. 8:10).

    Blessings of Obedience. Obedience develops Christian character and produces a sense of well-being, causing the believers to grow up as "newborn babes" and to be transformed into Christ's image (see 1 Peter 2:2; 2 Cor. 3:18). This transformation from sinner to God's child witnesses effectively to Christ's power.

    Scripture pronounces "blessed" all "who walk in the law of the Lord" (Ps. 119:1), whose "delight is in the law of the Lord" and who meditate "in His law. . . day and night" (Ps. 1:2). The blessings of obedience are many: (1) insight and wisdom (Ps. 119:98, 99); (2) peace (Ps. 119:165; Isa. 48:18); (3) righteousness (Deut. 6:25; Isa. 48:18); (4) a pure and moral life (Prov. 7:1-5); (5) knowledge of the truth (John 7:17); (6) protection against disease (Ex. 15:26); (7) longevity (Prov. 3:1, 2; 4:10, 22); and (8) the assurance that one's prayers will be answered (1 John 3:22; cf. Ps. 66:18).

    Inviting us to obedience, God promises abundant blessings (Lev. 26:3-10; Deut. 28:1-12). When we respond positively, we become His "special treasure"—a "kingdom of priests and a holy nation" (Ex. 19:5, 6; cf. 1 Peter 2:5, 9), elevated "above all nations of the earth," "the head and not the tail" (Deut. 28:1, 13).

    Salvation is not in keeping God's Law (10 commandments) it is by faith alone in God's Word to do what it says it will do. If you believe God's Word he will write his Law of Love in our hearts and it is Love which is the fulfilling of the Law in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit (Rom 8:4).

    In Christ Always!
     
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  2. LoveGodsWord

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    God’s Word says: LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s Law (10 commandments)

    No one can keep the letter of the Law because all God’s Law does is to point out Sin (1John 3:4). It is our mirror that shows us our condition and that all our own righteousness is as filthy rags (James 1:22-25; Isa 64:6). It is our teacher to bring us to Jesus so that we can have salvation by faith in God’s Word alone because there is nothing that we can do in our own strength to save ourselves. It is a gift of God lest any man shall boast (Rom 6:23). It is God’s Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24). He has not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance (Matt 9:13).

    LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s Law In us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit;

    Love is in-deed the fulfilling of God’s Law. This is the promise of the New Covenant. Spoken about by God in the Old Testament and repeated in the New.

    Eze 36:26-27,
    A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh and I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Jer 31:33-34,
    But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Heb 8:10-12,
    For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    So now under the new covenant when God changes our heart; we will love God and our neighbour.

    if we love God we will not steal
    if we love God we will not murder
    if we love God we will not commit adultery
    if we love God we will not lie
    if we love God we will honour our parents
    if we love God we will not covet
    if we love God we will have no other gods except our God who loves us
    if we love God we will not make unto any idols
    if we love God we will not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain
    if we love God we will Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy as he asked us to!

    God’s Law has always been central to both the Old and the New Covenant. It is only by the operation of God as we have Faith in His Word that God changes our hearts so that we can love him and love our neighbour that we can walk in his ways. This is why Jesus says its only if you love me we can keep hid commandments (John 14:15)

    Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
    Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
    Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
    Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
    Love is the fulfilling of the God’s Law. I love Jesus and want to follow Him how about you

    If we are knowingly and wilfully breaking any of God’s Laws however we are sinning against God. Sin is the transgression of God’s Law and God’s Word tells us that if we continue in sin the wages of sin is death (1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23). If we choose to follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God then we are unbelievers in God’s Word.

    Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man breaking God’s Law which has no basis in God’s Word. The question remains who do we really follow God or Man? This is the great test that will come to each of us. God’s sheep hear his voice… He that has ears to hear let him hear (Matt 11:15) If we say that we know Jesus and are breaking His commandments God’s Word says we are lying and the truth is not in us (1 John 2:3-4)

    Hope this is helpful,

    In Christ always
     
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  3. LoveGodsWord

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    WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
    (the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

    Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

    1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
    2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
    3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
    4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
    5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
    6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
    7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 15:19)
    8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

    Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

    1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
    2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
    3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
    4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
    5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
    6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
    7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
    AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
    8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
    9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
    10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
    11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
    12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
    13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
    14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
    15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
    16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
    17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
    18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
    19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
    20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
    21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
    22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

    John affirms the 10 commandments……

    1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
    2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
    3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
    4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
    5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
    6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
    7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
    8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
    9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
    10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
    11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
    12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

    James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

    1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
    2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
    3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
    4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
    5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

    Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

    1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
    2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
    3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
    4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
    5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
    6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
    7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
    8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
    9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
    10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

    What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

    1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
    2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
    3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
    4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
    5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
    6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
    7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
    8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
    9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

    God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

    In Christ Always!
     
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  4. LoveGodsWord

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    God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses

    God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar role in the Old Covenant as it does in the New Covenant and that is to point out sin and the standard of God’s righteousness.

    (1) God’s Law point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.
    (Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14)

    (2) The ceremonial laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and were nailed to the cross with our sins because they are now fulfilled. Now that Jesus is here we are under the New Covenant. Jesus is our Passover and the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world and as no longer need to provide burnt offerings when we sin to seek forgiveness.
    (Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; Hebrew Chapters 8; 9; 10; 2Cor 5:6-7) It is the laws of Moses along with our sins that are nailed to the cross (Col 2:14) not the 10 commandments

    Jam 2:8-12

    8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

    This includes God’s 7th Day Sabbath.
     
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  5. stuart lawrence

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    The problem you have is this. In stating, if you don't obey the TC you cannot be in a saved state, means, in reality your being justified before God hinges in you obeying the law. For if you are in a saved state you are, justified/ righteous, if you are in an u saved state you are not.
    Why do you keep saying:
    You must obey the TC anyway?
    What about the beatitudes and the rest of Christ's teaching? Did he not speak the words if God when he walked this earth?
    Christ upped what was written in the wording of the TC didn't he?
    IE
    If you even look at a woman with lust in your eye you have already committed adultery with her in your heart.

    So why keep referring to the TC?
    Did Christ not teach us what matters?

    Jesus said the law hung on love God and love your neighbour. He did NOT say the law hung on the TC.
    It's very OC to keep stressing:
    You must obey the TC.
    Why not just stress Jesus teaching. He spoke the words of God after all
     
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    Give me just one verse of scripture written by any of the Apostles that states the words:
    You must obey the TC

    They wrote much about correct living, but none of them once mentioned the words TC.
    They were living under a NC you see, not the old one.
    Paul of course did refer to the TC. He said they were the letter that kills/ the ministry of death and condemnation. And he spent most of Romans ch7 speaking of the need to die to righteousness of observing the TC.
    Tell someone they can only be in a saved state If they obey the TC and you place them under a righteousness of observing the law. That's the reality, as those able to see know
     
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    So my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ in order that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
    For when we were controlled by the sinfull nature, the sinfull passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies bringing forth fruit for death.
    But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way if the written code
    Rom7:4-6

    WHICH LAW is Paul referring to in the above?
    In the next five verses Paul carries on, giving a personal example from his own life as to why he had to die to the law. The example he gave was:
    Thou shalt not covet
    One of the TC
     
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    If I said to you:
    You can only be in a saved state if you don't think of a pink rabbit.
    What's the first thought that will come into your head if you believe me?
    Consequently. If said to you:
    You can only be in a saved state if you obey the TC/Thou shalt not covet.

    What thoughts are then going to come into your mind?

    The power of sin is the law 1cor15:56

    There's a new covenant in town.
    Under this covenant the law God desires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart( Heb10:16&17)
    Meaning in your mind you know what that law is, and in your heart you want to obey it.
    And your sins and lawless deeds will then be remembered no more.

    That's the opposite of saying.

    If you don't obey the law you cannot be in a saved state
     
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    Why are you trying to judge people to follow sabbath, its unbiblical.

    Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ
     
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    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    Who put the law into effect?

    You who have received the law that was put Into effect through angels but have not obeyed it
    Acts 7:53

    For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation?
    Heb2:2
     
  11. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Friend,

    I do not judge you. It is God's Word that will judge us in the last days. (John 12:47-48). Your understanding of Col 2:16 is not biblical. If you believe it is please answer the OP in this thread COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH PARTS 1-4 (linked). I will look forward to hear the scriptures you have to share there.

    In Christ Always!
     
  12. stuart lawrence

    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    The law is in your heart and mind. You will not be judged by deciding what is and what is not sin according to what is written in ink. You are in error.
    And in regard to judgement, as Jesus said:
    Because the prince of this world now stands condemned
    John16:11
     
  13. stuart lawrence

    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    Trying to tell a born again Christian, according to what is written down, what is and is not applicable law, SHOULD be a pointless exercise.
    And it would also be a pointless exercise trying to convince the unsaved of the same
     
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    GOD’S LAW (10 commandments) IS FOREVER

    The Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God (Ex 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecc 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Ps 19:7). It is the very foundation of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come (Ex 20:1:17, Heb 8:10-12; Exe 36:26-27; Jer 31:33-34).

    God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Ex 20:1-22). God’s 10 commandments are the spoken word of God (Ex 20:1-22). God’s Word does not pass away (Matt 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Ps 111:7-8, Rev 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4; James 2:8-12 etc.). God’s Law reveals sin to us and the penalty of sin so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Rom 6:23; Rom 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Heb 10:26-28; Rom 1:29-32;2:-9;2Cor 5:10; Heb 9:27; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood as we have faith (Gal 3:24; Rev 1:5). God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Heb 8:10-12) LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Rom 13:10). This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). Have to get some rest now will be back latter with more to share.

    In Christ Always!
     
  15. stuart lawrence

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    God spoke THROUGH the angel to Moses from the burning bush( Acts7:35)

    Hence, angels uttered the words of the law to the people( Heb2:2)

    Christians instinctively know the law written in their minds. For what is in your mind, you in your mind must know
     
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    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    Quoting scripture, and quoting it with correct understanding are two different things
     
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    stuart lawrence Well-Known Member

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    A good example of quoting scripture with incorrect understanding is the op stating:

    It( the law) is the very foundation of old and NC and the judgement to come.

    Then giving heb8:10-12 as a reference concerning this. Within those verses it states:
    For i will forgive their wickedness and remember their sins/ transgressions of the law no more

    How can the law be the basis of the judgement to come, if the believers sins/ transgressions of the law and lawless deeds will be remembered no more?
     
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    The verse you quoted out of context is actually being written to people that kept the Sabbath & Holy Days

    The Colossians were Sabbath keepers and also kept the dietary laws. Paul was writing to them to encourage them to not let anyone judge them for keeping these things. Start at verse 8 and read closely through verse 17.

    The Sabbath & Holy days & food laws still foreshadow things to come. Notice it says "these ARE a shadow of THINGS TO COME", meaning, they haven't come yet. :)

    God bless
     
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    listed are you?

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    Who is confused? Aren't you really trying to get people to forsake Jesus for the law when it comes to salvation? Do you keep the 4th commandment? You say people are keeping the traditions of men by not observing the 4th commandment, worshiping on Sunday. Yet you aren't in compliance with the 4th yourself keeping the traditions and teaching of a woman. You don't want to discuss that fact. Why? Will it expose you?

    Yes i read the whole thread at this time.
     
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  20. stuart lawrence

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    When he( the holy spirit) comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgement.
    IN REGARD TO SIN because men do not believe in me. In regard to righteousness for i am going to my father and you will see me no more.
    IN REGARD TO JUDGEMENT because the prince of this world now stands condemned
    John 16:8-11

    So WHO is convicting people the basis of the Christians judgement is the law?
     
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