The Double Message of Eternal Security.

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Romans 10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.” Those who believe, do not find their righteousness in the Law. We find our righteousness in Christ, in faith. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

This is why Stuart keeps pointing you back to Paul. What did Paul say? Philippians 3:8 “Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,” Paul counted all his good, all his works as nothing, to rest in Christ’s righteousness.

  • It doesn’t mean Paul stopped working.
  • It doesn’t mean Paul began to sin like a sailor.
  • It does mean, Paul counted his righteousness as nothing, He could add nothing to Christ and Him Crucified.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

  • We as Christians look to Christ as our righteousness.
  • One of His TITLES is that fact “THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”.
  • We are delivered in Christ’s righteousness Psalms 71:2 Deliver me in thy righteousness, and cause me to escape: incline thine ear unto me, and save me.
  • Psalms 143:11 Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name's sake: for thy righteousness' sake bring my soul out of trouble.
  • Psalms 89:16 In thy name shall they rejoice all the day: and in thy righteousness shall they be exalted.
If we trust in our own righteousness, God will look upon our wickedness as well. Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. This is why, Christ said to the people, I never knew you…you workers of Lawlessness.

In Christ
Daniel
Jason, read this again if you haven't already. Pray about, as Christians steel sharpens steel, but we put all our trust in the Lord.
 
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Paul is talking about the Old Law and not all law.
So when you read Romans 6:14, you also have to read the previous chapters to see what law he is talking about. In Romans 4 we get a glimpse of what law Paul is talking about by showing the futility of circumcision.

9 "Cometh
this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised."
(Romans 4:9-12).

In Romans 3:1 Paul asks the question point blank,
"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?"

Circumcision is a part of the commands of the Old Testament and not the New Testament.

Paul essentially says the moral law still applies to us; For he says that those who disobey the moral law will not inherit the Kingdom of God (See Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Ephesians 5:5, etc.). In 1 Timothy 6:3-4, Paul says if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and knows nothing. James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

A person is not humble if they are justifying sin in some way.



In Matthew 7, Jesus told those believers who did wonderful works and who ALSO worked iniquity or sin to depart from Him. In fact, the whole chapter is not about having a belief alone on Jesus but it is about doing good works. In verses 26-27 Jesus says anyone who does not do what He says is like a fool who built his house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house. Jesus says also in that same chapter that we will know false profits by their fruit. Fruits are deeds.



James is talking about the Royal Law (i.e. the Law of Love or the moral law). See James 2:8. For it is the context of the beginning of the chapter. James makes a point about not having respect of persons, if you do, then you sin (i.e. break the Royal Law or the Law of Love). This is what "law" James is talking about. James is not talking about lesser commands in the New Covenant or the Old Law. James is saying you break the Law of Love and you break all of God's laws that are currently in existence. So this is not a message in futility in keeping the Law. It is not hard to keep the moral law or the Law of Love.



But you really do not believe that because like most OSAS proponents, they believe they will always sin again as a part of some uncontrollable sin nature. In other words, you believe that you can do some kind of evil and yet God will reward you with Heaven despite your evil. Yet, would not God have to agree with your plan of salvation that it is okay for you to sin and yet also save you? Can God agree with sin? Surely not. That is what does not add up with your belief.



Then why would Christ say the following?
If you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
Why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not do what I say?
If you love me, keep my commandments.
If you are my friend, do what I command.
Why would John say, he that does righteousness is righteous?
Yes, I believe it is Christ working in me.
But to not allow Christ to work in me is a salvation issue.
For he that hates his brother has no eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).
Jesus says if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15).



To have an assurance that you are in Christ, you have to do the following,

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23).



...
I'm afraid that anyone who believes rom 6:14 refers to what Jason terms: old law, and not the moral law/ TC simply cannot grasp fundamental spiritual truth. It is tragic. Many can only reel off the letter of scripture pat without being able to discern spiritual truth contained within the letter.
For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

The above cannot possibly refer to law apart from the moral law. For non moral law could be faultlessly obeyed living under the law. You wouldn't have to stop living under the law in order for sin not to be your master concerning law you could faultlessly obey whilst being under it.
Ist century lady, do you truly in your heart care about Jason? If you do, shouldn't you try and help him here?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
Rom6:14&15

Now if Paul is only referring to old law in rom 6:14, why on earth would he follow that up by asking:
Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?
If he is only referring to old law, you can't sin by not obeying it can you. It is non applicable OC law.
You cant commit sin by failing to obey non applicable OC law you are not under.

Dan, tobeloved, you are very blessed people. You understand the heart of the message. Never doubt how much God loves you. For the truth you know proves that.
I myself, in my youth was raised in a church where the letter was everything. And as people do today I could reel it off pat. I thought I knew so much, I had the mndset of many today who go to a certain type of church. But I didn't know the heart of the message of grace. I was blind to it.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law but under grace
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
Rom6:14&15

Now if Paul is only referring to old law in rom 6:14, why on earth would he follow that up by asking:
Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?
If he is only referring to old law, you can't sin by not obeying it can you. It is non applicable OC law.
You cant commit sin by failing to obey non applicable OC law you are not under.

Dan, tobeloved, you are very blessed people. You understand the heart of the message. Never doubt how much God loves you. For the truth you know proves that.
I myself, in my youth was raised in a church where the letter was everything. And as people do today I could reel it off pat. I thought I knew so much, I had the mndset of many today who go to a certain type of church. But I didn't know the heart of the message of grace. I was blind to it.
God's grace is truly amazing. May His tender mercy be upon all of us.
How wonderful are the works of God toward the children of man...
May God be magnified..
 
Upvote 0

JLB777

Newbie
Supporter
Jun 18, 2012
5,905
1,258
✟403,811.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Actually, most (and possibly not all) Eternal Security proponents only believe in a half gospel or a milk type only gospel (i.e. The gospel's initial portion that tells them to believe in His death and resurrection - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the milk of the Word that the Corinthians could only accept. It was the only message they could bear because they were still yet carnal (See 1 Corinthians 3:2-3). It's why Paul said he came not to know anything among the Corinthians accept Jesus and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2) because they would not be able to bear the second half of the message of the gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word).

The majority of Eternal Security proponents do not believe in the Bible's full or complete gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word). The second half or truth of the gospel is that Christ died so as to redeem us from all iniquity and so as to live holy and be zealous of good works.


A good discussion and explanation of what "Repent" means, and how turning to God is the action of faith required for salvation.

If a person hears the call of the Gospel, "Repent", which is a call to turn to God, then by default they need to turn away from Satan as their lord, which is done by confessing Jesus as Lord, the act of the obedience of faith, in response to hearing God.


8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” 14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:8-17


If we repent, and turn to God, then later, we turn from the holy commandment and go back to serving Satan as Lord, then we have turned form the truth, and have become as sinners, in need of repentance or our soul will be lost.


19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20




JLB
 
Upvote 0

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

I agree, yet if they don't come back they truly never had Faith.
1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

You cannot stand on the one and ignore the other. You stand on both.

In Christ
Daniel
 
Upvote 0

JLB777

Newbie
Supporter
Jun 18, 2012
5,905
1,258
✟403,811.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
You mentioned somewhere that you were not on the same page as @JLB777 on the Sabbath. I've gone back and read all of his posts on this thread and all I can find is that regarding the 4th commandment, he doesn't agree with the Mosaic keeping of it. That doesn't tell me what he believes about it, just what he doesn't.

I believe it is clear that Jesus is our Sabbath rest, and no longer to be kept as a day of worship. I'd like to know what both of you believe about it. I think I know, but my memory is not always good.


The true Sabbath, is yet to come, of which the weekly Sabbath points to it, being the 7th day.

We enter that rest, through faith in Jesus Christ, which means we have entered that rest by faith.

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:8-9

  • There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

We who believe have entered that rest by faith, which means: we have the hope of obtaining it.

When you have something by faith, you have not obtained it in reality, but have the hope of obtaining it, a promise from God.


As the writer goes on to say in Chapter 11:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

We who have faith in entering that rest to come, have the substance of the thing we are hoping, and the divine evidence of the thing we have not yet seen, or realized or obtained.


The rest is the resurrection and receiving immortal bodies that will never die, and living with Jesus Christ for 1000 years, with all His enemies removed.

The 7000th year is the Day of rest.

Mankind has been on earth for about 6000 years since Adam, or 6 "prophetic days.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

  • a thousand years as one day.

The true Sabbath, the Day of rest, that we are all longing for, is the 1000 year reign of Christ with His people, with immortal, glorified bodies that shine like the sun, in which there is no sin and "striving", [war] against the Spirit of eternal life within us. True Rest!


35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

  • they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.


Now, in this life, we are sons of God by faith, then at His coming, we will have obtained the fullness of being sons of God, in which we will be equal to the angels, and have immortal bodies that will never die, and will be at rest from the sin in our flesh now, striving against what our heart desires, righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, for 1000 years, which is the Day of rest, the true Sabbath, which the weekly Sabbath points us to.


41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:41-43


No enemies, with an immortal body that will never die, and shines like the sun.


Here is a snapshot of what you will look like on that Day, with a sinless body.


Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. Matthew 17:1-2

  • His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.



JLB
 
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
When people live under a law of righteousness there is much in the Bible they have to ignore.
Indeed,JLB asked me to quote scripture so we could discuss it. I did as he asked in post 1601, scripture directly relating to justification/ sanctification. I asked him a few questions concerning the passage but he didn't respond.
Many I am afraid are only confident to quote the letter of what happens if you turn away.
And you quoted the truth of the matter from John.
The meat of the message of grace is understanding the outworking of it in the life of the believer, what the truth of that message is.
Those desiring to live under a law of righteousness will never understand it
 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: Dan61861
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

JLB777

Newbie
Supporter
Jun 18, 2012
5,905
1,258
✟403,811.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
He said that Christ has died for our sins according to the scriptures, He was buried and on the third day He rose from the dead according to the scriptures. Is not the Gospel.


Ok, what do you say?

Here is what the scripture you referred to says: 1 Corinthians 15:1-7

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 1 Corinthians 15:1-7

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, is not the Gospel that Jesus preached, nor His apostles.

This is what they taught to the people and is true, but it's not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.


If that was the Gospel it has to include the whole of what Paul said: Let's look.

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received:

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,... it doesn't end there.

What Paul was teaching, and what He said he received, doesn't end there, it includes...

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.


If what you say is the Gospel, then why would you stop at only a "part" of what Paul was teaching?


The Gospel is repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The Gospel command, that must be obeyed is repent.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38


Repent is the command of the Gospel.

Repent means to turn to God.

If you are called to turn to God, then by default you are called to turn from Satan as your lord.

The way that your express this obedience of faith, concerning the Gospel is to confess Jesus as Lord.

This is what grants the believer/obeyer of the Gospel, the forgiveness of sins.


The way we are granted this, is by repenting, which means turning away from Satan and his kingdom, and turning to God, and confessing Jesus as Lord.

This is plainly what the Lord Jesus Christ taught to and commissioned Paul to do.

15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:15-18
Repent is about being transferred from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of God.

It's about changing who you serve, as your Lord.

The Gospel of the kingdom is about changing the kingdom your are in, by changing the lord you serve.



JLB
 
Upvote 0

JLB777

Newbie
Supporter
Jun 18, 2012
5,905
1,258
✟403,811.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
And you certainly are not loving your brother if you demand of him what you do not even try to attain to in your own life are you


I demand much more of myself, than I do from others, because I demand nothing of anyone, only to share the truth in love.


Here is the example from scripture:

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

  • if anyone among you wanders from the truth,
This is referring to Christians, brothers or sisters who have wandered from the truth: As a sheep who becomes lost.

  • and someone turns him back,
The work of turning a person back to the truth, who has wandered from it, requires truth to turn that person back.

  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

A person who has wandered from the truth, has become as sinner again, in which they need to turn back, repent, in which someone must tell they so, or otherwise their soul will be lost.

  • and cover a multitude of sins.

This turning a person back, who has wandered from the truth, is an act of love; for love covers a multitude of sins. This is no different than preaching the Gospel to an unbeliever.




JLB
 
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I demand much more of myself, than I do from others, because I demand nothing of anyone, only to share the truth in love.


Here is the example from scripture:

19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

  • if anyone among you wanders from the truth,
This is referring to Christians, brothers or sisters who have wandered from the truth: As a sheep who becomes lost.

  • and someone turns him back,
The work of turning a person back to the truth, who has wandered from it, requires truth to turn that person back.

  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

A person who has wandered from the truth, has become as sinner again, in which they need to turn back, repent, in which someone must tell they so, or otherwise their soul will be lost.

  • and cover a multitude of sins.

This turning a person back, who has wandered from the truth, is an act of love; for love covers a multitude of sins. This is no different than preaching the Gospel to an unbeliever.




JLB
It doesn't matter how much of the letter you quote, I very much doubt you understand the heart of the message.
You asked me to quote scripture and we could discuss it. I did as you asked in post 1601. S rupture relating to justification/ sanctification, following the true path of grace.
I asked you some questions concerning it. You chose not to respond.
Anyone can quote the letter my friend selectively, it doesn't mean they understand the true message.
People who didn't know God quoted it extensively when Jesus walked this earth
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Dan61861
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
And I have to be honest here. Anyone who aligns themselves with someone, and heartily endorses the posts of someone who claims Paul is speaking in rom6:14 of not being under old law, he is not referring to applicable NC law, shows they have the same basic failure of understanding as the person they are aligning themself to
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Dan61861
Upvote 0

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Ok, what do you say?

Here is what the scripture you referred to says: 1 Corinthians 15:1-7

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. 1 Corinthians 15:1-7

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, is not the Gospel that Jesus preached, nor His apostles.

Thanks you for pointing that out. I do not deny that Christ's resurrection was witnessed. I should quote the whole thing instead of hoping people will turn to it and read it.

This is what they taught to the people and is true, but it's not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Christ didn't start his ministry by being Baptized? The Apostles didn't Baptize?


If that was the Gospel it has to include the whole of what Paul said: Let's look.

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received:

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,... it doesn't end there.

What Paul was teaching, and what He said he received, doesn't end there, it includes...

that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.


If what you say is the Gospel, then why would you stop at only a "part" of what Paul was teaching?
I agree completely, Christ's resurrection was witnessed.

The Gospel is repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The Gospel command, that must be obeyed is repent.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38


Repent is the command of the Gospel.

Repent means to turn to God.

If you are called to turn to God, then by default you are called to turn from Satan as your lord.

The way that your express this obedience of faith, concerning the Gospel is to confess Jesus as Lord.

This is what grants the believer/obeyer of the Gospel, the forgiveness of sins.


The way we are granted this, is by repenting, which means turning away from Satan and his kingdom, and turning to God, and confessing Jesus as Lord.

This is plainly what the Lord Jesus Christ taught to and commissioned Paul to do.

15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:15-18
Repent is about being transferred from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of God.

It's about changing who you serve, as your Lord.

The Gospel of the kingdom is about changing the kingdom your are in, by changing the lord you serve.



JLB
2 Timothy 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Christ is that truth, we repent of unbelief.

BTW....the kingdom of God is at hand is talking about the Gospel...Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead and was witnessed.

In Christ
Daniel
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
And I have to be honest here. Anyone who aligns themselves with someone, and heartily endorses the posts of someone who claims Paul is speaking in rom6:14 of not being under old law, he is not referring to applicable NC law, shows they have the same basic failure of understanding as the person they are aligning themself to
It makes it difficult because they pick and choose scriptures and say...aha..aha.
They don't take scripture as a whole.

In Christ
Daniel
 
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
It makes it difficult because they pick and choose scriptures and say...aha..aha.
They don't take scripture as a whole.

In Christ
Daniel
Absolutely. As a brother said to me:
You MUST read the Bible as a cohesive whole
 
Upvote 0

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Absolutely. As a brother said to me:
You MUST read the Bible as a cohesive whole
Yes, a matter is confirmed by two or three witnesses. When I find something in the Bible that conflicts for me, it isn't the Bible. It is a conflict in me.
 
Upvote 0

stuart lawrence

Well-Known Member
Oct 21, 2015
10,527
1,603
65
✟70,875.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Yes, a matter is confirmed by two or three witnesses. When I find something in the Bible that conflicts for me, it isn't the Bible. It is a conflict in me.
I think that's the problem for many. They focus so much on the warnings, because it makes sense to the logical mind. You get what you deserve, what you strive for.
Pauls message of grace cannot be understood by the logical mind, for it makes no logical sense to the mind of man. Only the Holy Spirit can turn on the light.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Dan61861
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Dan61861

7 days without God, makes one weak.
Jul 21, 2012
839
366
Valparaiso, Indiana
✟102,026.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
I think that's the problem for many. They focus so much on the warnings, because it makes sense to the logical mind. You get what you deserve, what you strive for.
Pauls message of grace cannot be understood by the logical mind, for it makes no logical sense to the mind of man. Only the Holy Spirit can turn on the light.
Amen
 
Upvote 0