Governor Kasich Legalizes Campus Carry. What Do You Think?

[Mountain_Girl406]

You suggested it by your confession of fear. Yes, I know you didn't outright say it, but many people what they are thinking by what they fear. Which is why you responded so strong. It may or may not be correct, but YOU are concerned about it.
Does it surprise you I've heard this line before? Here's where it goes. You don't want to be responsible for defending yourself, because you don't think you can. So you would rather hide in that imaginary bubble where a 'rule' will prevent anything evil from coming your way. And you want everyone else in the sphere of your bubble to think the same way.

You refuse to understand YOU are in the very mortal danger you think you're avoiding. You might look up "Virginia Tech Massacre" - which had rules prohibiting guns, by the way. You are in danger now.

You might try that anyway. I do care about you even without seeing you. Just don't expect me to provide you a hot beverage and sing "Soft Kitty" to you. Well, maybe coffee.

Confession of fear, huh? I've faced down and disarmed a suicidal person with a gun, and fought off two sexual assaults. But despite being a rather poor excuse for a Catholic, I am pro life of the seamless garment variety, and even catch and release spiders and wasps. So I'm not anxious to get armed and risk unjustly taking a life. I just don't think that adding more guns to a tense situation is a good idea. It sounds like a lot of professors are in agreement from what I read here.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

One of your students who is wise enough to carry might just save your life some day.

Possibly, but it's also possible they might end it.

 

[SteveCaruso]

One of your students who is wise enough to carry might just save your life some day.

You don't teach, do you?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

You don't teach, do you?

I'm attempting to teach you, but I'm not very good at it evidently.

 

[SteveCaruso]

I'm attempting to teach you, but I'm not very good at it evidently.

Oh, bless you.

This is why you should leave this sort of thing to the professionals.

 

[JackRT]

Why don't we just keep an open box of loaded handguns at the doorway of every elementary school?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Possibly, but it's also possible they might end it.

Well, one thing we know is that one way or another (unless Jesus returns first) you and every other human being will die; therefore it would stand to reason that the odds of saving people's lives are pretty good as some cause will take it one way or another.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Oh, bless you.

This is why you should leave this sort of thing to the professionals.

Well, let me asks you this would it not make sense that someone who DOES mean harm would be less likely to try something if they knew there was a good chance that they may not be the only one armed?

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Well, one thing we know is that one way or another (unless Jesus returns first) you and every other human being will die; therefore it would stand to reason that the odds of saving people's lives are pretty good as some cause will take it one way or another.

um, okay then

 

[SteveCaruso]

Well, let me asks you this would it not make sense that someone who DOES mean harm would be less likely to try something if they knew there was a good chance that they may not be the only one armed?

For the kind of problems that a professor would face? No. Murder-suicides don't care about that.

 

[dogs4thewin]

For the kind of problems that a professor would face? No. Murder-suicides don't care about that.

I did not asks you about professors I asked you in general.

 

[dogs4thewin]

um, okay then

Well, my point was yes, a student COULD end your life with a gun a non-student COULD end your life with a gun, but they could also save it, but at some point we are all mortal and thus whether it is a gun, accident or some sort of natural cause death will happen/

 

[SteveCaruso]

I did not asks you about professors I asked you in general.

The vast swaths of statistics on crime as they are and psychological profiles on the kinds of criminals who use firearms, in general if there is any difference it is insignificant to the point of being a rounding error.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The vast swaths of statistics on crime as they are and psychological profiles on the kinds of criminals who use firearms, in general if there is any difference it is insignificant to the point of being a rounding error.

Well, in terms of CCW mental health is taken into account when it is issued, so if someone with a CCW does such a thing either they have developed the problem after it was issued ( which could happen). or the system failed ( which could happen, but a person who is KNOWN to be mentally unstable would NOT be granted a CCW.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Well, in terms of CCW mental health is taken into account when it is issued, so if someone with a CCW does such a thing either they have developed the problem after it was issued ( which could happen). or the system failed ( which could happen, but a person who is KNOWN to be mentally unstable would NOT be granted a CCW.

"Mentally unstable" or not, I have no faith in the kinds of people who feel so inadequate that they need to carry a gun to prove themselves as friendly fire is an order of magnitude and a half more likely to happen than any sort of assistance.

Every gun added to the situation that this law will apply to is another risk and more guns will not stop the kind of crimes we see on campuses.

In short, this law cannot make me or any of my students safer.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I have no faith in the kinds of people who feel so inadequate that they need to carry a gun

Not nice. It's best to argue the subject not the imagined motives of those you oppose.

 

[LinkH]

When I went to The Ohio State University campus, I saw a sign that forbade having firearms on campus. I wondered how that was legal, since the bill of rights allowed the right to bear arms and another amendment requires the states to give citizens US constitutional rights at the state level. A state university is state land.

Of course, a historical approach to interpreting the constitution could be used to argue that only front-end-loaded one-shot muskets and other 18th century firearm are protected. We don't allow citizens to carry mustard gas and nuclear weapons.

 

[SteveCaruso]

Not nice. It's best to argue the subject not the imagined motives of those you oppose.

What other reason is there to carry a gun except to use it? And how often is a gun carried used responsibly vs irresponsibly in a fight or incident of road rage where my "imagined motive" was the case?

 

[SteveCaruso]

Of course, a historical approach to interpreting the constitution could be used to argue that only front-end-loaded one-shot muskets and other 18th century firearm are protected.

I am 100% for any American owning as many of those as they want.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

What other reason is there to carry a gun except to use it? And how often is a gun carried used responsibly vs irresponsibly in a fight or incident of road rage where my "imagined motive" was the case?

These stats are all public knowledge. Legal gun owners don't commit crimes. In fact they commit crimes at a lower level than police officers.