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1. As someone who has been reading the Bible since he could read, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the "thousands of times worse". But I guess that's subjective. The Bible I read is principally about the God who created all things and who, ultimately, has revealed Himself through the person of Jesus, who is His own Son and Incarnate Word, and through whom He has come to redeem and rescue the world. Who takes hold of the world, by his love and grace, and with all the world's sinfulness and brokenness He mends it, heals it, and makes it whole in Christ, and promises that death is not the final answer, resurrection is. I suppose if someone is taking a radically different message from the Bible than what the Christian Church has historically then it could be subjectively worse--I've certainly met many Christians who seem to think the Bible is basically a book about an angry God who wants to send people to hell unless they fix themselves up right.

2. The word you're looking for is Kryptonite, Krypton is the name of Superman's homeworld, Kryptonite is a piece of Krypton, hence the diminuitive suffix "ite".

3. Crikey indeed.

-CryptoLutheran

You do know God is a God of justice, the world has seen some severe judgements upon many in the Old Testament
Never mind what is going to happen in the future, it's going to be literally hell
Or did you miss that bit?
God does not mend the worlds evil and brokenness, He forgives it, it's clear Christ is coming and it will be judged

Make no mistake, the bible is about a righteous God who will condemn sinners who don't turn to Him for forgiveness

Kryptonite, krypton, I think the message was understood
 
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You do know God is a God of justice, the world has seen some severe judgements upon many in the Old Testament

I do know that He is a God of justice, I also know what shape God's justice takes throughout Scripture. He is the God who champions orphans, widows, the poor, the needy, the hungry, and the foreigner. He is the God who freely, out of His kindness, justifies--makes righteous--the unrighteous.

When God judges it is not in opposition to His kindness and His compassion; He sends His rain upon the just and the unjust alike, He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, but says that He desires the wicked to repent and have life. St. Paul says that God's justice is revealed in the Gospel, what justice is that, a justice that condemns or the justice which saves, heals? It's the Gospel, so it's the latter.

Never mind what is going to happen in the future, it's going to be literally hell

The Scriptures which I read tell me that when Christ returns in glory to judge the dead will be raised and God will make all things new.

Or did you miss that bit?

Since I don't know what you have in mind, I can't comment.

God does not mend the worlds evil and brokenness, He forgives it, it's clear Christ is coming and it will be judged

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,

“See, the home of God is among mortals.
He will dwell with them;
they will be his peoples,
and God himself will be with them;
he will wipe every tear from their eyes.
Death will be no more;
mourning and crying and pain will be no more,
for the first things have passed away.”

And the one who was seated on the throne said, “See, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
" - Revelation 21:1-5

"I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory about to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God; for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labor pains until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies. For in hope we were saved." - Romans 8:18-24

Make no mistake, the bible is about a righteous God who will condemn sinners who don't turn to Him for forgiveness

I find that fascinating in light of "The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the foremost." (1 Timothy 1:15)

For whom did Christ come? The righteous or the unrighteous? What does He tell you Himself?

"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance." (Luke 5:32)

You seem to conclude that God's default disposition toward the world is condemnation, and yet I read in John 3:16 that "God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son". And also, "God demonstrates His love in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

If you want to say that under the Law we stand condemned, I would absolutely agree--the Law making known to just the good, just, and right commands of God and thus, because we are unrighteous, we stand condemned simply because we see that the emperor--ourselves in this case--has no clothes. We read that God is unwilling that any should perish, God has not accepted the end of the world in sin and death, but has sent Christ, His only-begotten Son, to save the world, this He has done out of His great love for us.

So why would you assume that condemnation is God's default position toward us rather than the mercy and kindness revealed to us through Christ our Lord? Christ tells us He did not come to condemn but to save, we are condemned because we have, in truth, condemned ourselves through our sin--and it is precisely God in Christ saving us from our own self-made condemnation that is the revelation which we have in the Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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His views on D&D (and most everything else) are hilarious. When I first saw them I was convinced they were an elaborate poe.

There is a movie based on his tract "Dark Dungeons" that is hilarious. What's so funny about it is that it takes the crazy world of Jack Chick absolutely seriously, which is paradoxically the best way to parody it. It's worth watching.


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There is a movie based on his tract "Dark Dungeons" that is hilarious. What's so funny about it is that it takes the crazy world of Jack Chick absolutely seriously, which is paradoxically the best way to parody it. It's worth watching.


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Mark
Yeah, strange though cause Jack actually gave them permission to make the film. Not sure if he understood their intent or not, lol.
 
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1. What do you think about people handing out religious literature and tracts? Why?

Litter bugs.
Because that's what they are handing out; litter.

2. What do you think of chick tracts in particular?

I try not to.
 
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The time travelling Jesuit ones are wonderful Lol. Like MehGuy said, there is a certain charm to them.

I have something of a love-hate relationship with them. On the one hand, the humor writes itself pretty much, and I thoroughly enjoy treating them as a joke as I've done in this thread already. On the other hand this literature is intended to represent the religion that I practice and hold very dear; the irony I suppose is that I am rarely offended when comedians, tv shows, or movies poke at my faith--I don't believe I've ever been offended from South Park, and it is by far one of the most objectively offensive shows out there because that's kind of the point (which is probably why, oddly, I'm not offended, I get what Matt and Trey are doing, and their subversive social commentaries are often brilliant)--but I am frequently offended by the likes of things like Chick tracts. Because they aren't trying to poke fun, they aren't trying to make a criticism, they are--from my perspective--hijacking my religion and presenting a deeply perverted caricature of it. And I don't mean Chick's twisted views of Catholicism which he opposes, I mean Christianity generally which Chick seems to think he's promoting.

South Park doesn't offend me.
Deeply perverse religious propaganda is what offends me.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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More than once here some other atheist or at least non-Christian has commented that all Christians are fools or something close. I often reply that this must mean he has never met a Jesuit.

Perhaps that is why Jack Chick hates them so much. Of course just being Catholic is enough for Chick to hate them.

Hmm. I'm betting that if I am wrong and the Christian God is real that Jack Chick will get to hear some words he will not like. 'Depart from me, I never knew you'.
 
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1. What do you think about people handing out religious literature and tracts? Why?

2. What do you think of chick tracts in particular? Why? www.chick.com
I fed a stray cat the other day and a woman came to me with a dollar to thank me for doing that. And she handed me a tract at the same time as the money.

I think it is odd that when that has happened I'm doing charitable things for someone. And then they or someone who see's that will give me a tract, when they do, not always of course.
It's like they're seeing good works happen and yet they're presuming I must be a sinner in need of learning about Jesus.

Weird.

But that's just me.

HA! Get it?

OK. I think you have to do what you feel is right. If you feel like handing out literature go for it.
I've found a tract in a public bathroom on the toilet paper dispenser before.
There's your testimony in church. I found Jesus in stall three at JFK! :D
 
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Haven't seen a Chick tract. From what I hear they seem kind of silly.
Other than on line when someone post a link, it's been maybe 30 years or more since I've seen one first hand. To my eyes, they are so far removed from spiritual reality as I know it, I have a hard time actually reading them to the end.
 
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This kind of thing is really what made me start questioning Christianity several years ago. The attacks on Catholicism are nauseatingly evil.
I agree.
I also think the Catholic churches attacks on gays is nauseatingly evil
Attacks on witches, the inquisition, crusades, IRA, child abusing priests not held accountable, all nauseatingly evil

By all means question christianity, better yet, question the nauseatingly evil people who stand behind it
 
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More than once here some other atheist or at least non-Christian has commented that all Christians are fools or something close. I often reply that this must mean he has never met a Jesuit.

Perhaps that is why Jack Chick hates them so much. Of course just being Catholic is enough for Chick to hate them.

Hmm. I'm betting that if I am wrong and the Christian God is real that Jack Chick will get to hear some words he will not like. 'Depart from me, I never knew you'.

It's not overly uncommon for Christians throughout history to have issue against the Catholic Church. For many reformers and puritans saw the pope as the anti-christ. Of course many disagree with that, but Chick's dislike of the Catholic church isn't uncommon at all.
 
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It's not overly uncommon for Christians throughout history to have issue against the Catholic Church. For many reformers and puritans saw the pope as the anti-christ. Of course many disagree with that, but Chick's dislike of the Catholic church isn't uncommon at all.

Well the Catholic Church did not treat the early reformers very well either. That one strikes back when struck is far different from striking after all others have stopped.
 
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1. What do you think about people handing out religious literature and tracts? Why?

2. What do you think of chick tracts in particular? Why? www.chick.com
1) Religious literature and tracts should never be given to anyone unsolicited. I think they're the sort of the thing that should be set out in church lobbies, for example, for visitors to take if they want them and are interested.
2) I don't consider Chick tracts to even be Christian. Whatever religion or faith he is peddling isn't the same as mine. Whoever or whatever Jack Chick is, he's the Poe of tract makers.
 
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The attacks on Catholicism are nauseatingly evil.
But that is where many evangelicals are doctrinally. The founding pastor of the pentecostal church I attended in high school left the faith altogether when the Charismatic Renewal hit the Catholic church. God showing any kind of favor to the Catholics led him to say the entire bible was nothing but a pack of lies.
 
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