Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Then Take it up with Paul, as your objection lies with Him, not me.

Or take up your objection with the Psalmist, as your view is polar opposite to His:
For I was born a sinner--yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.
Ps 51:5

You do understand that he was writing in repentence? A psalm of David, when Natan the prophet came to him after his affair with Bat-Sheva...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Imputed sin is a Catholic teaching. Please know that not every Christian accepts that teaching because it is not Biblical . Deuteronomy 24:16 tells us each one is responsible for their own sin. The sins of the father do not pass to their sons.
It would be a little ridiculous if God ordained that in the law for man but violated it as our Father when He created his human children and imputed sin upon them.

If newborns were born with sin upon them, Jesus would not have told his Disciples and others that in order to see the Kingdom of God we must become like little children.
According to your belief, that would be saying we must become sinners.

Jesus also said , "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children." Matthew 19:14.

According to your belief Jesus would there be saying the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to sinners.

Yes, this why the Roman church had to come up with the "immaculate conception" of Mary.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Of course what ?

Here you are talking about when great belief is present.

There is no question there, no problem at all when people believe.

The point was simply there are times(many times) people could be healed and are not healed
on Sabbath or on any other day
because of their UNbelief.

yes of course

 

[Monk Brendan]

In that regard that is David speaking of his conception as sinful because his mother had an affair

I really do believe that what you are talking about is poetic license, and not particularly factually accurate. Besides, according to the legend I read, Jesse slept with his wife instead of a concubine, and therefor, the conception was not sinful.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Or, you do not understand them.
The entire exchange when Jesus was confronted by a certain Pharisee, one educated in the law, for working on the Sabbath and Jesus response pertains to his working on the Sabbath.
You make these accusations that people don't understand and yet you don't prove you do. Because the scriptures are clear and you're just arguing for arguments sake.

But I do. In this case YOU agree with the lies of the Pharisees, because they themselves knew it. The Scriptures are very clear as is 2nd Temple Jewish halakha...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Mitzvah does not pertain to healing. Mitzvah pertains to the Jewish law of 613 commands.
Rapha is the Hebrew word for healing.

Believe me it does. There is no law against healing on Shabbat. Yeshua said Himself, if your donkey got stuck in a ditch on Shabbat, would you not free him. If it pertains to helping your fellow man, even visiting someone sick, it does not break the Sabbath. Why are we even arguing about this, it is well established within Judaism, even now.

 

[Monk Brendan]

You asked how old was Adam when he was created.
I replied YHWH was ONE. (and HE still IS - HE doesn't age) ......

Come to think of it, Adam was one day old after evening and morning made one day.....

But then you said,...

You didn't ask, and I didn't answer what day he was created on.

I didn't have to ask, Genesis 1 tells me that God created Man on the sixth day, and not the first.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yahweh is still one.

Now one of the scribes had come up and heard their debate. Noticing how well Jesus had answered them, he asked Him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus replied, this is the most important: Shema Yisrael, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Ehad (Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One), and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’…

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Now one of the scribes had come up and heard their debate. Noticing how well Jesus had answered them, he asked Him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus replied, this is the most important: Shema Yisrael, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai Ehad (Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One), and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’…

Yes, that is one of the scriptures that support my statement. Thank you for posting it here.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But then you said,...


I didn't have to ask, Genesis 1 tells me that God created Man on the sixth day, and not the first.

Sorry my post wasn't clear enough.

I did not say Adam was created on the first day.
Read it again.
I said Adam was one day old AFTER evening and morning made one day (i.e. a day later, after Adam was created, he was one day old).

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

But I do. In this case YOU agree with the lies of the Pharisees, because they themselves knew it. The Scriptures are very clear as is 2nd Temple Jewish halakha...

You're right that Jesus healed on the Sabbath. You're wrong in thinking I side with the Pharisee. I'm relating what the scriptures relate as pertains to the Pharisee.

It's great also that you're reiterating that Jesus kept the Sabbath.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

A bedrock principle in all of Jewish law is that protecting a person's life (pikuakh nefesh) is of paramount importance. If someone is ill, and there is any question about a life being in danger, then not only is it allowed to violate Shabbat, but it is required to do so. All aspects of Shabbat observance may be disregarded so that the patient can get immediate and proper care. One is required to break Shabbat even when there is only a chance that a life can be saved or lengthened

 

[1John2:4]

If you have the opportunity and the power to heal, you must, yes even on Shabbat. Yeshua's miracles were to produce faith...IN HIM.

I just wanted to add this, there is a distinction in doing our work and kingdom work. Yeshua was doing kingdom work when he healed on the Shabbat. The Levites did kingdom work on Shabbat in the temple. We too should do kingdom work on the Shabbat (go visit the sick and elderly, feed the poor, those are some examples
Matthew 12 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here.

 

[parousia70]

Thank you.
Doesn't change the facts of David in the Psalm.

Oh, I'm praying for you for strength in the face of temptation, not about the Psalm.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I just wanted to add this, there is a distinction in doing our work and kingdom work. Yeshua was doing kingdom work when he healed on the Shabbat. The Levites did kingdom work on Shabbat in the temple. We too should do kingdom work on the Shabbat (go visit the sick and elderly, feed the poor, those are some examples
Matthew 12 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here.

Absolutely!

 

[ArmenianJohn]

So, because I believe in Jesus I follow what He says. And Jesus says to follow the will of his Father in Heaven. And His father said to keep the 7th day holy.

Your response is an overly simplistic answer that, while on its own merits sounds true, is actually incorrect within context.

If I take that at face value, then it would reason to follow that you also sacrifice animals according to the specifics that God commanded. Do you do that? Do you offer burnt offerings of a lamb, a ewe, and a ram once a year? Do you observe all the dietary laws? It sounds like you say you do, but to be honest I don't know anyone these days who sacrifices animals. You really do?

If I believe in exercise I go to the gym, I don't sit around all day. If I believe in vegetarianism I don't eat meat, I follow what vegetarianism means. If I believe in Jesus I do what Jesus says. How can you say you believe in Jesus if you don't follow His commandments? And isn't that how we are saved? By believing in Jesus? Even the demons believe, but they don't believe in. Read what James 2 is actually saying:

If you believe in exercise and go to the gym it is because you believe that by works you will gain something. That is not a good analogy for God's Grace and Mercy; in fact, it's the opposite, it's an analogy for God's Law and His Justice.

Here's a better analogy. Do you believe that a husband must buy his wife gifts in order to earn her love? If you believe this, then the kind of "love" you believe in is a phony, purchased, earned love. If you believe in true, merciful, unconditional love then you would believe that a husband does NOT NEED to buy his wife gifts to have her love. If she truly loves him, he could never buy her a gift ever in their lifetime together and she would love him just the same. Of course, if he truly loves her, his actions would probably be that he would buy her gifts, but would he NEED to? Absolutely not. And if he didn't it wouldn't have bearing on their love for each other.

To take that analogy further, what if a woman truly loved her husband but he came to her with a gift and after giving it to her he said, "I hope you love my gift enough that you will continue to love me!"??? I think the wife would be insulted that the husband bought her a gift thinking that it somehow enhances her love for him.

Likewise with observing the Sabbath. I think it's an insult to Christ to say, "Lord, I know you have redeemed me from sin once and for all and that you have provided us an eternal rest from labor under the Law, but I'm STILL gonna observe a Sabbath day, aside from you being my rest, and use that day to rest from the law which you have already provided me rest from, because I will feel better or I will think it pleases you for me to duplicate what you have done for me (and even better than I could do on my own)."

How is observing the Sabbath day glorifying to God? It is insulting. It is telling the Lord that His rest that He provides us is not enough and that we need to go back to the old stop-gap He provided before we received His Perfect Gift.

James 2
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

It's true our faith will bear itself out in our works, but remember that that's the correct order. Faith --> Works. Works do nothing for us. Works are for us at best a sign to ourselves and others that our faith is real. Works do not increase God's Glory. We cannot add to Him, He is perfect. Works are simply our expression of our faith. We cannot receive salvation by works because under works we are already condemned, no matter how many good works we do now that we are saved. Our salvation comes from our faith in God's Grace.

So to sum up, I DO "observe the Sabbath", but I do so in the correct way that God's Word teaches us, which is that Christ is our Sabbath, i.e. that the Sabbath is FULFILLED in Christ's life and work. I observe that the Sabbath was once a day, back in the times of Law-based salvation (which included animal sacrifice, burnt offerings, rituals, temple worship, priests, etc.) and now Christ has fulfilled everything that the Law once held over us. Christ is now our salvation and we are free from animal sacrifice, burnt offerings, rituals, temple worship, a priesthood (WE have priesthood ourselves), and the Sabbath DAY.

People who are observing the Sabbath are inconsistent if they are not also following God's commandments about atonement through sacrifice and temple worship and dietary laws - and if they're doing those things, they are following Judaism, not Christianity, because they are denying Christ's saving work on the cross.

 

[bigo1984]

What is your source for this? Somebody's "blog"?



Unless you provide examples, you're just blowing hot air.

I didn't want to because it would be going way off topic but I will anyways. Lets see where should I start? Praying to Mary and various Saints.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Confessionals are not biblical. The whole idea of the Pope is not biblical. Especially the way he is worshiped. They call Peter the first Pope. Here is an example of what Peter said when people tried worshipping him.
Acts 10:26
But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
They worship Angels and graven images. They bow to statues of Mary. They have a seperate book they call the missle they study from that is not the word of God. I could keep going but I'm afraid I would be here all day.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Oh, I'm praying for you for strength in the face of temptation, not about the Psalm.

As I shall for you.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I really do believe that what you are talking about is poetic license, and not particularly factually accurate. Besides, according to the legend I read, Jesse slept with his wife instead of a concubine, and therefor, the conception was not sinful.

No poetic license.

If David's father Yishai had slept with his mother Nitzevet, David would not have been conceived in sin. Psalm 69.

 

[bigo1984]

No poetic license.

If David's father Yishai had slept with his mother Nitzevet, David would not have been conceived in sin. Psalm 69.

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.